Be nice if he starts against Bayern.
Would be a potential indicator that DM is starting to understand how to be a winner.
Would be a potential indicator that DM is starting to understand how to be a winner.
Javier Hernandez | 2013/14 Performances
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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This. 2 goals in his last 2 games, and an assist today. Linked well, won us a bunch of free kicks and ran the Newcastle centre halves towards their own goal constantly. Are we seriously thinking of selling Hernandez..?
Nice goal. Good on him.
Because some people have to believe that the manager always makes the right decisions so convince themselves. Same as they did with Ole, and in a reverse situation with Veron.
Thought he was excellent today.
Unlucky to only score once, took his goal well and a nice assist.
I expect the likes of Mata, Kagawa et al love having a striker that loves to run in behind too rather than one that comes towards them all the time.
Unlucky to only score once, took his goal well and a nice assist.
I expect the likes of Mata, Kagawa et al love having a striker that loves to run in behind too rather than one that comes towards them all the time.
He's become a more rounded up player and had a good game, deserved goal
Was he happier after his goal today? Would love him to stay but can't see it happening.
I couldn't think for a worse game to start him. We will have around 20% of the ball in that game and our striker will either be completely isolated or will be in our half of the pitch helping the defense. Chicha doesn't do well in either of those scenarios.
He's probably my favorite player and I have been one of his biggest defenders here, but that game isn't for him. It could easily be like against Barca on 2011 when we looked like playing with 10 men.
Note that nowhere in that post does it say we'd win the match.
The team played well today and I think some of that is down to Hernandez.
You can't look at players in isolation - Hernandez stretches the opposition defence, plays on the shoulder of the last man and generally forces them to drop deep. In doing this he opens up space for the players behind him.
Previously we have had Rooney behind him, who isn't a particularly technical #10. With the likes of Mata and Kagawa playing however, Hernandez creating space for them leads to far better attacking play all round.
They can then return the favour by supplying Hernandez with balls and chances that he thrives on.
Simples.
You can't look at players in isolation - Hernandez stretches the opposition defence, plays on the shoulder of the last man and generally forces them to drop deep. In doing this he opens up space for the players behind him.
Previously we have had Rooney behind him, who isn't a particularly technical #10. With the likes of Mata and Kagawa playing however, Hernandez creating space for them leads to far better attacking play all round.
They can then return the favour by supplying Hernandez with balls and chances that he thrives on.
Simples.
I hope we'll find a way to keep him. He was a lot happier today after his goal, and I can impute that to the fact that 1) he received service and 2) he had such a great understanding with the 3 attacking midfielders playing behind him. Any striker would be happy to play in such a setup where he can exploit his own strengths.
I think at least one of our strikers will be off in the summer, seeing as how it won't be Rooney its a toss up between Chicharito or RVP. I hope neither leave but if one of them do I just hope it will be the one where we can get a greater revenue from.
The bizarre thing is these rumours linking us with Cavani. As far as I can tell we've got more than enough number 9s. Buying Cavani would make zero sense even if one of our existing strikers left.
I agree with this, in part. I don't think Bayern will be afraid of Hernandez, like all of Pep's teams they ignore what you can do e.g. Pep's Barca never prepared for Ronaldo in any obvious way. However, Hernandez is pretty lethal and if we get one chance, similarly to Ronaldo in the Classico's, a player of that deadliness in front of goal can make the difference.
My money would be on Hernandez over anyone else to get us a vital away goal. He won't see much of the ball but if we only create one scoring opportunity...
...he's done it too often for me not to trust him.
I agree. It makes little sense for us to go after Cavani when he's too similar of a profile compared to one or two of our current strikers.
People talk about selling either RVP or Chicharito, but what about Welbeck? I'm just throwing his name because it has been an ongoing debate of which we just can't find an answer saying where he would fit unlike our other strikers. I think Chicharito fits the bill in spearheading a side that plays quick passing football in midfield while Rooney and RVP can perform as more traditional number 9s.
Why is he meanmugging these days when he scores? He used to celebrate like a fat kid in a candyshop.
It's very obvious that he's unhappy.
Agreed. I think the Kagawa-Mata axis looked really good not only because of their quality but because of Hernandez constantly stretching the defence. Dare I say Hernandez suits the Mata-Kagawa partnership more than Rooney would.
Moyes has seen first hand the damage Hernandez can do - I would be livid if he is sold in the summer after this display.
Yeah I can see what you mean with Welbeck, but I don't see the club selling him, especially with Moyes bigging him up earlier in the season due to the fact he's from the academy. It is really hard to pick between Chicharito and Welbeck, they are both quick pacey players and offer the complete opposite of each other. If this was dragonball Z and they were fused together they would make quite the awesome front man.
Decent game but he should have scored the one-on-one.
If you mean the one that hit the post, it was actually tipped. A minute or so later you can see him gesturing it was touched.
I just think all of our strikers will now look better in this set-up.
It's no surprise that one second we see threads like "it is a blessing that RVP got injured" and then after a great performance yesterday we could probably start a thread "it is a blessing that Rooney is injured".
What's his role in the team when we need goals? At Chelsea his cameo included playing long passes from the midfield, last night he also had a stint at left back. Don't we actually have a real plan when chasing games?
No, sadly not. We don't even have anything close to a real plan A, let alone a plan B or C when things don't go as expected. The only plan Moyes at times seems to have is be compact and then some individual brilliance / set piece will do the job.
Is there even a remote chance he won't be sold next season unless we somehow get a different manager? Moyes has shown absolutely no confidence in him. Yesterday's game was a great opportunity to put faith in him with Rooney's injury and on the back of his performance over the weekend. The contrast between the amount of faith Sit Alex often put in him right from his debut season to his position in the squad today is honestly terrible for Chico.
I think the only chance he stays is if we sold RVP and could convince Hernandez that he would then get more playing time.
If we are to play Mata as a 10 behind Rooney, then it would make far more sense financially to have Hernandez on the bench rather than RVP (RVP's wages are about 9m more per season, plus Hernandez is 5 years younger too)
I'm not sure if Moyes has the bollocks though. Selling Hernandez is the easier option.
Its a shame if we do sell him because he would improve any team in the league other than Liverpool if he started as the striker. I hope we sell him abroad. He's had such an underrated impact even last season.
You're talking about the manager who admitted he couldn't take an injured RVP off against Newcastle cos he was worried about what the press would say. The manager who persisted with a poorly performing Rooney who he claimed was having trouble with striking the ball.
Mata as a number 10? Really, under Moyes? As soon as RVP is fit he'll be back in the first XI alongside Rooney and Mata will be on the wings. The likes of Hernandez, Kagawa, and even Januzaj have bleak futures under Moyes. He's not big enough to drop the big players. The others in the squad have next to no chance of getting regular games.
So we only need 2 strikers now do we?
Could be in even more of a mess next season then...we've already had our 2 main strikers injured together.
Could be in even more of a mess next season then...we've already had our 2 main strikers injured together.
He'll play them while they're in his squad. Remains to be seen if he has the cojones for a major re-shuffle in the summer. Let's not pre-judge. There's enough to moan about as it is, without moaning about hypothetical future scenarios too.
The assumption is that Welbeck will be the third striker/additional winger/general utility man depending on tactical purposes. You can't really go into a season assuming your two strikers go down, any team in the world would be in trouble and Welbeck is a very good option in that scenario.
We've had 2 strikers down at the same time before, just as we've had 4 defenders down at the same time. Any team who wants to be fighting for the top honours has to plan for these eventualities and provide as much cover as they possibly can for injuries.
You asked if we should only have 2 strikers, he said we should have 3.
Am I missing something?
Sorry, the 2 should read 3 but I haven't got the edit post thing visible.
Ah, makes more sense now.
Depends if the intention is to play 1 striker or 2 predominantly.
We need to modernise this four striker way of thinking. Other than PSG, who have Ibrahimovic and Cavani, no other team in Europe has two strikers as good as Rooney and Van Persie. Madrid had both Benzema and Higuain, who are nowhere near as good, and even they couldn't give both players the game time their talents deserved.
Bayern has two real strikers in Mandzukic and Pizarro. They will get Lewandowski and the former may even leave due to that. Madrid has Benzema and Morata. City have three good strikers. Chelsea have three quite poor ones. The need for a surplus of strikers is no longer required as teams look to score goals across the whole side. It's unfair of us to expect Hernandez to carry on like he is. Furthermore, it's actually unfair to criticise Moyes for not really playing him. We are overstocked in this department and changes must be made.
I would sell Van Persie for reasons I've outlined before, so if Hernandez was happy to remain as our third striker then fantastic. However, the reality is that if we improved in midfield and out wide, and got in some attacking forward players in the mould of a Marco Reus, I think we could go a season with only Rooney and Welbeck as strikers, and perhaps a promotion for the likes of Wilson and Henriquez. Our problems lie in the creating of chances, not putting them away.
Bayern has two real strikers in Mandzukic and Pizarro. They will get Lewandowski and the former may even leave due to that. Madrid has Benzema and Morata. City have three good strikers. Chelsea have three quite poor ones. The need for a surplus of strikers is no longer required as teams look to score goals across the whole side. It's unfair of us to expect Hernandez to carry on like he is. Furthermore, it's actually unfair to criticise Moyes for not really playing him. We are overstocked in this department and changes must be made.
I would sell Van Persie for reasons I've outlined before, so if Hernandez was happy to remain as our third striker then fantastic. However, the reality is that if we improved in midfield and out wide, and got in some attacking forward players in the mould of a Marco Reus, I think we could go a season with only Rooney and Welbeck as strikers, and perhaps a promotion for the likes of Wilson and Henriquez. Our problems lie in the creating of chances, not putting them away.
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I was agreeing with you, and basically saying 'chance'd be a fine thing'
Higuain plays for Napoli so did you mean to say Real had them instead of has?
Yeah, I'll edit that.
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