That Everton game.

Julian Denny

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I have to admit that for the first time in what has been a long time following this great club, I actually want United to lose a match. What's more I want us to lose it badly in the hope that it proves to be a tipping point in this whole Moyes saga. It's a dreadful admission I know but I really cannot accept the idea that "dithering Dave" will still be at the helm come the start of next season.

Much better to get shot of him now and to appoint Van Gaal with say De Boer as his number two with the undertaking that the latter takes over after say three seasons. How much more attractive is that for new players who might want to come to OT and, with the more certain promise of an exciting future once again, to everyone else connected with this great club.

Unfortunately, its all a bit of fantasy land stuff isn't it?
 
"This Everton game", not "that". I reckoned it was going to be about the 4-4 draw game and our complacency going into the final minutes.

Oh and if losing meant Moyes sacked, I'd take it. 2 things though, a) Our board must surely not need us to lose to Everton to see sense. We've had enough shit already this season. b) As much as I say it, I dont think I can ever watch a game cheering for the other team. But yes, if it was a given that us losing would be the end of Moyes, I'd take it for sure.
 
I don't want us to lose it,however I expect us to lose it.

I think Everton will work hard, exploit the gaping holes we leave on the pitch and just play through us.

Moyes will set us up to defend crosses from Baines which won't matarialise.
 
For me it will highlight the immense change at both clubs, Everton playing attractive attacking football under Martinez and we are the new Everton with our lack of invention and slow, slow football.
 
Julian Denny said:
I have to admit that for the first time in what has been a long time following this great club, I actually want United to lose a match. What's more I want us to lose it badly in the hope that it proves to be a tipping point in this whole Moyes saga. It's a dreadful admission I know but I really cannot accept the idea that "dithering Dave" will still be at the helm come the start of next season.

Much better to get shot of him now and to appoint Van Gaal with say De Boer as his number two with the undertaking that the latter takes over after say three seasons. How much more attractive is that for new players who might want to come to OT and, with the more certain promise of an exciting future once again, to everyone else connected with this great club.

Unfortunately, its all a bit of fantasy land stuff isn't it?
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Yet another absolutely disgraceful post. Anyone who hopes their team loses - and badly at that - isn't a supporter.

You should be ashamed of yourself.
 
Rednotdead said:
Yet another absolutely disgraceful post. Anyone who hopes their team loses - and badly at that - isn't a supporter.

You should be ashamed of yourself.
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If us losing to Everton meant Moyes getting sacked 100%, I think about half of the forum if not much more would take it. Its about looking at the bigger picture, nothing disgraceful about it or something to be ashamed of.
 
Julian Denny said:
I have to admit that for the first time in what has been a long time following this great club, I actually want United to lose a match. What's more I want us to lose it badly in the hope that it proves to be a tipping point in this whole Moyes saga. It's a dreadful admission I know but I really cannot accept the idea that "dithering Dave" will still be at the helm come the start of next season.

Much better to get shot of him now and to appoint Van Gaal with say De Boer as his number two with the undertaking that the latter takes over after say three seasons. How much more attractive is that for new players who might want to come to OT and, with the more certain promise of an exciting future once again, to everyone else connected with this great club.

Unfortunately, its all a bit of fantasy land stuff isn't it?
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Embarrassing.
 
rooneyaldo said:
my think is more along the lines of we play really good football and beat them convincingly which would show that recent resurgance, however minor, is not another false dawn which we take to the remaining matches and into next season.
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I'm hoping for the same. Want to beat them convincingly. Win all 5 and end season with some kind of confidence to build on.
 
Varun said:
If us losing to Everton meant Moyes getting sacked 100%, I think about half of the forum if not much more would take it. Its about looking at the bigger picture, nothing disgraceful about it or something to be ashamed of.
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Wanting your team to lose for any reason is disgraceful. I think more than half the forum would agree with that.
 
Threads like this just give other fans ammo when throwing shit at us.
 
Rednotdead said:
Wanting your team to lose for any reason is disgraceful. I think more than half the forum would agree with that.
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Nope. I dont buy that. We've lost plenty of games this season. Talking about Everton, we've lost to them too earlier in the season. 1 more loss would mean nothing specially given we're not in the race for anything at all this season. If people are totally convinced that Moyes isnt the right man and were given a guarantee that a loss to Everton would see him sacked, I'd be intrigued if they chose to win this game and keep him as the manager.
 
Whether you want us to lose or not we more likely will... They are a better 'team' and i for the love of you can not precdict who will play. Believe me it want consist of An attacking set up as we will set out to contain them.
 
Everton know their style and are very good at it. We've only been playing for for 9 months. I expect them to win.
 
Rednotdead said:
Wanting your team to lose for any reason is disgraceful. I think more than half the forum would agree with that.
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I forget the year but I remember supporting Blackpool against us when we'd already won the league and they needed the points if they were to avoid relegation. It was a confusing experience. I kept instinctively cheering our goals before remembering I didn't actually want us to be scoring...
 
Bullshit. I want Moyes out as much as anyone, but losing to or beating Everton changes nothing, if the board are going to change their mind on one result then they need to be sacked along with Moyes.

If we lose to Everton we will be 12 points behind them with 4 games left, I believe the board will review the season when it’s mathematically impossible for us to get into the top 4, which could come as early as the Norwich game. Until then nothing’s going to happen in regard to Moyes, I think it’s going to be hard for him to continue, regardless of the next 5 results, however, I wouldn’t be surprised if he did.
 
One mediocre season and this place makes RAWK read like Nature.com. I blame twenty years of unprecedented success.
 
holyland red said:
One mediocre season and this place makes RAWK read like Nature.com. I blame twenty years of unprecedented success.
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I blame one year of complete dogs*%t. You act like there is light at the end of the tunnel.
 
Absolutely not for me. I still think we have an outside chance of making 4th place interesting.

Even if we dont (probably the case) I want us to qualify for Europe. It will be the first time since 89/90 we wont have had a European comp.

Even if we had nothing at all to play for I couldnt possibly want us to lose. Some of you are crazy
 
Mainoldo said:
I blame one year of complete dogs*%t. You act like there is light at the end of the tunnel.
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You act like there isn't, or rather, that you know there isn't.

Strange thread, I'd have to question the mentality of someone who wants the team they support to lose, it's just not right..
 
Mainoldo said:
I blame one year of complete dogs*%t. You act like there is light at the end of the tunnel.
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There is no tunnel at all here. Come May we're going to be in situation where we have not won the league for 1 season. When your scouse mates finish throwing up on each other ask them what tunnels are. They've waited 24 long seasons for this. I doubt they wanted everyone sacked in 1991.
 
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Some of you need to get off your high horse. Yeah sure, it's a bit small time wanting to lose but can't you see where OP is coming from? A strong end to the season will cover the cracks for a while which probably will keep Moyes at the club. Losing this game will send out a real statement that Everton are levels ahead of us. That should ultimately mean the end of Moyes.

I don't blame people for wanting to lose when we are in this position. It's in the best interest of the club that we get a new manager this summer. We can manage one season without CL but there is no reason to believe that things will be any different with Moyes next season. Things could get really ugly if Moyes is given £150m to buy whoever he wants.
 
If someone said to me we lose all our games and Moyes is guaranteed to lose his job then I'd take it.

It's looking at a bigger picture. Giving him £150m will be a big mistake.
 
Samid said:
Some of you need to get off your high horse. Yeah sure, it's a bit small time wanting to lose but can't you see where OP is coming from? A strong end to the season will cover the cracks for a while which probably will keep Moyes at the club. Losing this game will send out a real statement that Everton are levels ahead of us. That should ultimately mean the end of Moyes.

I don't blame people for wanting to lose when we are in this position. It's in the best interest of the club that we get a new manager this summer. We can manage one season without CL but there is no reason to believe that things will be any different with Moyes next season. Things could get really ugly if Moyes is given £150m to buy whoever he wants.
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As I’ve said, if winning the last few games when the pressure is off and most teams are already on holiday changes the mind of the board, then they themselves need to be sacked. Id imagine or at least hope, that their mind is already made up. A few meaningless games shouldn’t change that, Moyes is going to be judged on the season as a whole, he will have to answer some very tough questions, most of which he will have no answer to.

Win, lose or draw, it will make no difference come the end of the season, we may as well enjoy our last few games instead of hoping we lose in the hope that Moyes gets sacked.
 
Julian Denny said:
I have to admit that for the first time in what has been a long time following this great club, I actually want United to lose a match. What's more I want us to lose it badly in the hope that it proves to be a tipping point in this whole Moyes saga. It's a dreadful admission I know but I really cannot accept the idea that "dithering Dave" will still be at the helm come the start of next season.

Much better to get shot of him now and to appoint Van Gaal with say De Boer as his number two with the undertaking that the latter takes over after say three seasons. How much more attractive is that for new players who might want to come to OT and, with the more certain promise of an exciting future once again, to everyone else connected with this great club.

Unfortunately, its all a bit of fantasy land stuff isn't it?
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Dear lord, this has to stop.

Varun said:
If us losing to Everton meant Moyes getting sacked 100%, I think about half of the forum if not much more would take it. Its about looking at the bigger picture, nothing disgraceful about it or something to be ashamed of.
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I really, really hope not.
 
Rednotdead said:
Yet another absolutely disgraceful post. Anyone who hopes their team loses - and badly at that - isn't a supporter.

You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Absolutely not. If we have much more of Moyes including another full season the damage done will take that much longer to recover from. If losing to Everton helps make the board's mind up then so much the better. Hopefully this whole sad saga is just a temporary blip and in that regard it's a pity you don't see the bigger picture.
 
If Moyes can't beat Everton then he should be tied to one of those planes and flown over OT.

If he can then maybe just a speedboat down the canal. If he wins the rest of the games then a nice relaxing canal barge.
 
Julian Denny said:
I have to admit that for the first time in what has been a long time following this great club, I actually want United to lose a match. What's more I want us to lose it badly in the hope that it proves to be a tipping point in this whole Moyes saga. It's a dreadful admission I know but I really cannot accept the idea that "dithering Dave" will still be at the helm come the start of next season.

Much better to get shot of him now and to appoint Van Gaal with say De Boer as his number two with the undertaking that the latter takes over after say three seasons. How much more attractive is that for new players who might want to come to OT and, with the more certain promise of an exciting future once again, to everyone else connected with this great club.

Unfortunately, its all a bit of fantasy land stuff isn't it?
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Holey Moley. What an idiotic opinion.
 
SiRed said:
Holey Moley. What an idiotic opinion.
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Is it?

Surely the lesser of two evils is for the remainder of the season to go how the rest has and end up with a fair reflection of what Moyes has delivered rather than an end of season Emperor's New Clothes rally where everyone thinks maybe he's turned it around based on a couple of decent results at the fag-end of the term.
 
If losing to Everton meant losing Moyes, I'd take it in a heart beat.

If losing to Everton means that Moyes still goes nowhere and comes out grinning in his press conference with great lines of wisdom like "it shows what a team I build is capable of and I just hope I can get United playing to that level" then no thank you very much.
 
So if we put in a Newcastle away (or even Arsenal home) type performance and we won, people would be unhappy. Really?

Hopefully we'll see Mata, Kagawa and Januzaj together
 
I hope we batter them. No matter how bad the situation gets with Moyes I would never want us to lose because it may increase the chance of him losing his job.
 
Pexbo said:
If losing to Everton meant losing Moyes, I'd take it in a heart beat.

If losing to Everton means that Moyes still goes nowhere and comes out grinning in his press conference with great lines of wisdom like "it shows what a team I build is capable of and I just hope I can get United playing to that level" then no thank you very much.
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:lol: Wouldn't surprise me if he came out saying that.

On topic, I can't not support United regardless of the situation. The only time my support has wavered is the Southampton game the year they got relegated. David Moyes is our manager and as long as he is that I'd continue to hope that he would turn it around.
 
When I saw the thread title, I immediately thought about the game at OT and what would have happened if we had won that game (very much into the fight for the fourth place).

About the topic, obviously I would take a lose if that guarantees Moyes sacking by the end of this season. We have no chance of getting the fourth place, so losing or win won't change anything (well, possibly it will decide whether Everton or Arsenal will go to UCL, in which case I would prefer Everton to go there). However, I think that it won't change the board's opinion and likely a decision has been made already if they are gonna stick with Moyes or not. So, I hope a win, just to enjoy some football and a good result, even if that means nothing in the end.
 
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