At this point, anything other than a contract extension is a sacking. Big corporations have some decency in their executions, it's either by mercy, or simply to get a reduction in severance.That will surely come out of the blue with all the noises Moyes and the board have been making about patience. People know that it is as good as a sacking. Just a PR stunt to make it look better.
Those noises quietened down some time ago. Ogden's reporting that his future is in doubt as well, so obviously he's not hearing anything like the assurances he's been hearing previously.That will surely come out of the blue with all the noises Moyes and the board have been making about patience. People know that it is as good as a sacking. Just a PR stunt to make it look better.
Well much of the guff that surrounded his appointment not least the ridiculous 6 year contract was all for PR purposes, so it would be fitting should he be sacked that it also be dressed in a load of PR nonsense.That will surely come out of the blue with all the noises Moyes and the board have been making about patience. People know that it is as good as a sacking. Just a PR stunt to make it look better.
And if he spends poorly? or the manager after him want's his own players once again (just because a player has talent doesn't automatically mean they'll be a different managers cup of tea Like Mourinho with Mata/Lukaku etc, )? what then?Hopefully on good signings, so if he can't deliver, the next coach will have an abundance of talent to work with.
Well much of the guff that surrounded his appointment not least the ridiculous 6 year contract was all for PR purposes, so it would be fitting should he be sacked that it also be dressed in a load of PR nonsense.
At this point, anything other than a contract extension is a sacking. Big corporations have some decency in their executions, it's either by mercy, or simply to get a reduction in severance.
And probably a deal has been made and they let him finish till the end of the season as nothing is left to play, and he can have his remaining 4 games
I don't disagree with any of that. I want him gone as much as the next fan but I won't be holding my breath for it. In fact his sacking will surprise me more than us handing him a war chest for this coming summer.Those noises quietened down some time ago. Ogden's reporting that his future is in doubt as well, so obviously he's not hearing anything like the assurances he's been hearing previously.
I for once don't think the Glazers are either desperate enough, daring enough, or stupid enough to hand him 200M (even if he's acting on goodwill and let United spend that much), and neither will Charlton and SAF either. 200M is a lot of dosh, it's what Chelsea need from perenial top 4 to become the elite of Europe. Are you saying we are really that far down we'll need 200M?I don't disagree with any of that. I want him gone as much as the next fan but I won't be holding my breath for it. In fact his sacking will surprise me more than us handing him a war chest for this coming summer.
You keep mentioning 200 million as if I said that. All I said is I think there are more chances of him being here this coming season and getting a lot of money to spend than him being sacked. The 200 million is a figure quoted by the papers and I don't believe that.I for once don't think the Glazers are either desperate enough, daring enough, or stupid enough to hand him 200M (even if he's acting on goodwill and let United spend that much), and neither will Charlton and SAF either. 200M is a lot of dosh, it's what Chelsea need from perenial top 4 to become the elite of Europe. Are you saying we are really that far down we'll need 200M?
Besides, if Moyes got 200M, and finish 2nd, is that an achievement? I'm afraid most fans will say it is, but logically, if you add 200M on the reigning champion, you'd expect alot more (probably not trophies, but style of play and consistently winning matches)
200M, I don't recall "ANY" team ever spent that much on a summer, even if you include the sugar daddies. And if Moyes spend that 200M, it'll be "New team, need time to gel" excuse all over again
We've already spent 65m to the championship winning team, then this summer I think we'll definitely spend £100m at least. Carvalho £35m, shaw £30m, then we're apparently ready to offer £40m for kroos. That's £105m, 170m total since moyes was hired. It's a little crazy to be honest, and we'd definitely get into the champions league after that but after spending that much, you have to deliver titles or else you deserve the sack.You keep mentioning 200 million as if I said that. All I said is I think there are more chances of him being here this coming season and getting a lot of money to spend than him being sacked. The 200 million is a figure quoted by the papers and I don't believe that.
35 million for Carvalho. I will be gobsmacked if that was true. Anyway, what I had said was that Moyes has more chances of staying and spending than getting the sack.We've already spent 65m to the championship winning team, then this summer I think we'll definitely spend £100m at least. Carvalho £35m, shaw £30m, then we're apparently ready to offer £40m for kroos. That's £105m, 170m total since moyes was hired. It's a little crazy to be honest, and we'd definitely get into the champions league after that but after spending that much, you have to deliver titles or else you deserve the sack.
If we make these 3 signings the most baffling thing about it is that we actually won't have all that much to show for the £170m - just 5 players out of which maybe one would play regularly at another top club (Mata) and two are just potential (Carvalho and Shaw), obviously one isn't worth half the price we have agreed to pay for him (Fellaini). Then we'll aim to finish 4th with a team that won the league the season before smug Scot took over.We've already spent 65m to the championship winning team, then this summer I think we'll definitely spend £100m at least. Carvalho £35m, shaw £30m, then we're apparently ready to offer £40m for kroos. That's £105m, 170m total since moyes was hired. It's a little crazy to be honest, and we'd definitely get into the champions league after that but after spending that much, you have to deliver titles or else you deserve the sack.
Yes, but then shouldn't we be saying that a new manager needs to make it his squad to be judged? By the current logic the new manager will also need to spend £200m - £300m to make it his squad. Ten years down the line we ought to be £1bn poorer in the attempt to find a manager who can build his squad and do well.Hopefully on good signings, so if he can't deliver, the next coach will have an abundance of talent to work with.
Harsh. I'd give him £50m. But only if he fecked off.Based on what I've seen I wouldn't give him $50m, not to mind $200m.
They will be that and more just for keeping him around after the season he's had .I for once don't think the Glazers are either desperate enough, daring enough, or stupid enough to hand him 200M (even if he's acting on goodwill and let United spend that much), and neither will Charlton and SAF either. 200M is a lot of dosh, it's what Chelsea need from perenial top 4 to become the elite of Europe. Are you saying we are really that far down we'll need 200M?
Besides, if Moyes got 200M, and finish 2nd, is that an achievement? I'm afraid most fans will say it is, but logically, if you add 200M on the reigning champion, you'd expect alot more (probably not trophies, but style of play and consistently winning matches)
200M, I don't recall "ANY" team ever spent that much on a summer, even if you include the sugar daddies. And if Moyes spend that 200M, it'll be "New team, need time to gel" excuse all over again
Perhaps you didn't quite think about what I was getting at.It's hilarious that after I've twice told you about persistent use of strawman arguments you manage in one paragraph to say "It's clear you accept you were wrong" and in the next line "I'm not quite sure why you refuse to accept this".
You're now bordering on self parody.
By available I mean't we could take them. As in that list of managers probably won't want to leave their clubs this season.No great managers are available, managers are poached normally. Unless on a few occasion of NT, sabatical leave, and long holiday
Which manager is available at this stage of the season who's worth anything of value?It would make so much sense bringing in a new manager now. Nothing/very little to play for, he can get used to the squad a bit, implement any changes to other staff and have them settle in part-way, and begin making plans for transfers in the summer.
Can't say I know, I'm just saying it would be a good time to make the change rather waiting til however long in summer.Which manager is available at this stage of the season who's worth anything of value?
Means nothing. He was at one point this season 2/1 to be sacked. Bookies odds are reflected mostly by betting habits, they're not oracles.This fuc king thread, 26 pages!?
The bookies have Moyes @1.03 to stay.
I think that ends any debate.
One suspended betting on him getting sacked at one point. Unless Woody is betting heavily on him staying to make a tidy few quid, it doesn't really say a whole bunch does it?Means nothing. He was at one point this season 2/1 to be sacked. Bookies odds are reflected mostly by betting habits, they're not oracles.
Wait for the end of the season and then see if he's still at 1.03 to stay.
That's the thing about Bookies. The favourite always wins. Always.This fuc king thread, 26 pages!?
The bookies have Moyes @1.03 to stay.
I think that ends any debate.
Of course we are. My opinion obviously differs from yours.That's the thing about Bookies. The favourite always wins. Always.
Why are you trying to shut down the debate? Are we not allowed to hold differing opinions?
Again, you are mistaking your own opinion for fact. Unless you have been in the board meetings where it's been said (and I want copies of the minutes) then you don't know this. So I can say "he will be gone come June, end of story" and it's just as true.I personally find this thread and the Van Gaal one a tad embarrassing. Both smack of desperation. He'll be given another season end of story.
If you actually think about it surely Im as "guilty" as those who think he will go ? Im basing my opinion on what the like of Sir Bobby have said on the matter.Again, you are mistaking your own opinion for fact. Unless you have been in the board meetings where it's been said (and I want copies of the minutes) then you don't know this. So I can say "he will be gone come June, end of story" and it's just as true.
Very true none of us know what will happen with moyes, and we should all probably try to avoid definitive statements on the matter one way or the other, as the discussion seems to always go round in circles.If you actually think about it surely Im as "guilty" as those who think he will go ? Im basing my opinion on what the like of Sir Bobby have said on the matter.
His opinion actually matters on the subject unlike that of random people on the internet, me included.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/26729956Very true none of us know what will happen with moyes, and we should all probably try to avoid definitive statements on the matter one way or the other, as the discussion seems to always go round in circles.
Has Sir Bobby said Moyes will be here next season? Genuine question i may have missed it as i don't remember Sir Bobby commenting on it in recent months.
As of today there are only 6 managers with shorter odds than him to be sacked.Means nothing. He was at one point this season 2/1 to be sacked. Bookies odds are reflected mostly by betting habits, they're not oracles.
Wait for the end of the season and then see if he's still at 1.03 to stay.
I had a look last night and he was actually more likely (according to the bookies) to go than Felix Magath at Fulham, a man who was a walking P45 a week ago.As of today there are only 6 managers with shorter odds than him to be sacked.
So the bookies are saying he is anything but safe.
He still is.I had a look last night and he was actually more likely (according to the bookies) to go than Felix Magath at Fulham, a man who was a walking P45 a week ago.
Cheers i do actually remember that one i thought he might have made a comment on Moyes future that i missed, i have no doubt Bobby is being genuine there but i personally doubt Charlton will influence things that much one way or another if the board feel they have a decision to make on moyes this summer though.
Sherwood's 10/1??? Isn't that basically free money?He still is.
Sherwood 10/1
Ole/25/1
Pardew 14/1
Poyet 3/1
Pepe Mel 18/1
Paul Lambert 4/1
Moyes 40/1
Magath 50/1
Any other season or any other club, nobody would be surprised in the slightest if all those managers were sacked at the end of the season with those odds.
In fact, it would be more surprising if they were not.
Good chance at least 4-5 of those managers will be sacked come the end of the season. I would say sherwood, poyet, pepe mel & magath could go maybe even Ole sadly.He still is.
Sherwood 10/1
Ole/25/1
Pardew 14/1
Poyet 3/1
Pepe Mel 18/1
Paul Lambert 4/1
Moyes 40/1
Magath 50/1
Any other season or any other club, nobody would be surprised in the slightest if all those managers were sacked at the end of the season with those odds.
In fact, it would be more surprising if they were not.
Its on sky bet.Sherwood's 10/1??? Isn't that basically free money?
Those odds are for a different market than the one I referred to.He still is.
Sherwood 10/1
Ole/25/1
Pardew 14/1
Poyet 3/1
Pepe Mel 18/1
Paul Lambert 4/1
Moyes 40/1
Magath 50/1
Any other season or any other club, nobody would be surprised in the slightest if all those managers were sacked at the end of the season with those odds.
In fact, it would be more surprising if they were not.
Its not quite the same point we are making.Those odds are for a different market than the one I referred to.
Once one manager is sacked that whole market will be suspended and reformed with different prices. There no real basis to use that market as an example.
The market on whether he stays or goes is the most definitive one for use in this thread. Again i'll repeat he's 1.03 to stay on betfair.
What point are you trying to make then?Its not quite the same point we are making.
Out of interest, what is he to leave?Again i'll repeat he's 1.03 to stay on betfair.
from memory around 21/1....I cant access the exchange specials on my phone to confirm.Out of interest, what is he to leave?
Sky bet:What point are you trying to make then?
Without knowing what bookies you are looking at I cant be certain but you stated that Sherwood is 10/1 to be gone before the end of the season. Id be shocked if any bookmakers are offering those odds.
Hes 10/1 to be the next manager to go. There is a marked difference.
lolPerhaps you didn't quite think about what I was getting at.
You are yet to admit you are wrong (refuse to accept it when I put it to you), however your refusal to counter my evidence De Rossi was not merely a rumour suggests you know you are completely wrong, you have accepted you are completely wrong through your action of not trying to argue the point anymore but attack my credibility.
I want you to admit you were wrong or argue your point instead of attacking my credibility.
You understand now? It seems to be clear you have accepted you are wrong (any sane man must when faced with the evidence I provided) however you refuse to admit this.
So let's try again, how about you answer the questions this time:
Despite Rudi Garcia's statement and Danielle De Rossi's statements making clear Manchester United made a bid too late for De Rossi and De Rossi wanted to listen to offers, do you honestly still think De Rossi's availability was a rumour?
And a bonus question:
Do you honestly think the original post was full of Moyes bashing?
Instead of resorting to insults of Moyes bashing even when the original post was respectful, you should focus on supporting your argument De Rossi's availability was a rumour. To do this you must find evidence Rudi Garcia and Danielle De Rossi lied or the sources used by Sky Sports, ESPN and the guardian engage in the dishonest practice of making up what sports persons have said.
In the next response either support your argument De Rossi's availability was a rumour or admit you were wrong.
Hilarious is not my post but the very fact you have fiercely defended David Moyes when I only suggested De Rossi was available and he should have been not indecisive but decisive in his pursuit. I would think such fierce defence of Moyes is actually self-parody. What makes it worse is that you even claim to not be a Moyes supporter however your action here suggests otherwise.
