Germany at World Cup 2014

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But the number of short passes played describes the role and gives an impression what kind of player he is and therefore allows us to put the other stats in the right context. Makes no sense to leave it out.

Xavi 09/10 season
3789 minutes LL and CL
3678/4041 passes
91% accuracy

Xavi 13/14 season
3053 minutes LL and CL
3426/3658 passes
94% accuracy

Someone seeing that might assume the season where Xavi had the better passing accuracy was his better season

But that shows nothing other than "he made a load of passes"

Here is the difference between "one of the best players in the world Xavi" and "he is getting old Xavi"

09/10 season
146 chances created - 3.47 per game
17 assists
51/111 throughballs - 1.21 per game
91% passing

13/14 season
68 chances created - 2.00 per game
5 assists
14/39 throughballs - 0.41 per game
94% passing

I never look at passing accuracy for any player, I would rather they have a 75% passing accuracy and make 3 chances per game, than a 90% passing accuracy and make 0.5 chances per game
(cough, Cleverley, cough)

 

[Balu]

I never look at passing accuracy for any player, I would rather they have a 75% passing accuracy and make 3 chances per game, than a 90% passing accuracy and make 0.5 chances per game
(cough, Cleverley, cough)

You should never look at a single stat, that was the whole point. If someone plays more than 3000 passes a season with 75% accuracy, it's a massive trainwreck, doesn't matter if he created 3 chances a game. You can be sure that he caused more chances for the opponent.

 

[fcbforever]

Whenever I compare players I always factor in how many minutes they have played to make the comparison fair
Last season Khedira LL and CL
Minutes played = 2504
Chances created = 31
Tackles made = 70
Long passes = 37/61
Dribbling = 7
1.11 chances created per game
2.52 tackles per game
1.33 accurate long passes per game
0.25 dribbles per game

2.52 tackles per game is decent, only if the player was also decent in the 3 other areas, by itself it is not good at all compared to the best midfielders in Europe

Vidal over the past 2 seasons combined in SA and CL
Minutes played = 6277
Chances created = 131
Tackles made = 353
Long passes = 250/320
Dribbling = 45
1.88 chances created per game
5.06 tackles per game
3.58 accurate long passes per game
0.65 dribbles per game

The masters of each area are
Chances created per game = 3-4 per game, players like Mata and Silva
Tackles made = Vidal
Long passes = 10-12, players like Pirlo (Scholes 12/13 was at 17 per game)
Dribbles per game = 3-4 for players like Kovacic and Dembele from CM and 5-6 for wingers like Ribery and Messi

You do know that Vidal and Khedira have completely different roles? So, Dribbling statistics, long passes and chances created are really useless in this context. And why Khedira only last season and Vidal the last 2 seasons?

I'm not the biggest of Khedira, but it seems you are trying to blatantly making something up to prove your point.

 

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You do know that Vidal and Khedira have completely different roles? So, Dribbling statistics, long passes and chances created are really useless in this context. And why Khedira only last season and Vidal the last 2 seasons?

I'm not the biggest of Khedira, but it seems you are trying to blatantly making something up to prove your point.

I already posted the stats for Khedira for this season, YOU replied to that post and asked for his stats from the previous season

Why are you claiming ignorance of my original post?

 

[BlueCelery]

Something about them remains unconvincing despite the talent they possess.

 

[fcbforever]

I already posted the stats for Khedira for this season, YOU replied to that post and asked for his stats from the previous season

Why are you claiming ignorance of my original post?

Missunderstanding cause of language. In Germany, 2013/2014 is already the "letzte Saison", last season.

The other point still stands: Khedira is not required to dribble, to make accurate long passes or to create chances. It's just not his job. The only statistics relevant for him are accuracy, SUCCESFULL tacklings and interceptions. Vidal is just playing a completely different role for Juventus.

 

[Blackwidow]

A poll of the kicker magazine in which 20.000 football interested (else you do not visit the homepage...) voted

 

[Ruht]

Kroos instead of Ozil I don't mind, but I'd prefer Gotze at the #10 too. He hasn't had many good games as the false 9, although him and Muller interchanging constantly does provide a significant threat to the opposition.

 

[Balu]

Götze as a false 9 with Kroos at the tip of a 3 man midfield is completely different than Götze as a false 9 with Özil as the number 10 in a 4231, who already occupies the same space. Like Blackwidow said above, the free roaming attacking three of Müller, Götze, Robben worked really well, but they need space to operate in.

 

[Inigo]

I'd quite like a 4-3-3 with Lahm, Kramer, Kroos in midfield and Reus, Götze, Müller at the front.

 

[maze]

ZDF say it's a 4-2-3-1

- - - - - - - - - - - weidenfeller - - - - - - - - - - -
boateng - mertesacker - hummels - höwedes
- - - - - - - lahm - - - - - - khedira - - - - - - - -
- - - schürrle - - - - - kroos - - - - - reus - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - müller - - - - - - - - - - - -

a back four of CBs and a very very weird DM. ok.

is it just me or does this look horrible? i mean, wouldn't kroos be supposed to take over the play-making department? so it's more of a 4-3-3 then, i guess.

 

[Sphaero]

ZDF say it's a 4-2-3-1

- - - - - - - - - - - weidenfeller - - - - - - - - - - -
boateng - mertesacker - hummels - höwedes
- - - - - - - lahm - - - - - - khedira - - - - - - - -
- - - schürrle - - - - - kroos - - - - - reus - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - müller - - - - - - - - - - - -

a back four of CBs and a very very weird DM. ok.

is it just me or does this look horrible? i mean, wouldn't kroos be supposed to take over the play-making department? so it's more of a 4-3-3 then, i guess.

Looks more like a 4-3-3 to me with Kroos joining Khedira and Lahm in the CM. What in the world possessed Löw to think that Höwedes would be an option as LB, I will never know. He is a decent RB but falls off pretty harshly on the other flank. Just give Durm as much game time as possible and hope that he stays fit and in form for the WC.

 

[maze]

Looks more like a 4-3-3 to me with Kroos joining Khedira and Lahm in the CM. What in the world possessed Löw to think that Höwedes would be an option as LB, I will never know. He is a decent RB but falls off pretty harshly on the other flank. Just give Durm as much game time as possible and hope that he stays fit and in form for the WC.

still they seem to be playing more direct, over the wings, even though boateng and höwedes fail to offer genuine assistance, offensively. schürrle and reus are seeking for positional swaps and key passes, without özil that is. i like.

 

[Sphaero]

still they seem to be playing more direct, over the wings, even though boateng and höwedes fail to offer genuine assistance, offensively. schürrle and reus are seeking for positional swaps and key passes, without özil that is. i like.

The movement in the offensive three is pretty decent so far, yes, but Armenia also offers some space for Germany to operate in. Lets see how that works against top defenses.

 

[NoLogo]

Aaaand that's it for Reus. Getting better and better.

 

[united_99]

 

[tom from munich]

 

[Blackwidow]

Did not look very good...

 

[OutlawGER]

holy shit reus injured. if he can't play my biggest and last hope for this cup is gone. germany's not under a good star this year.

 

[Carter99]

Reus is out for the World Cup.

First prognosis double ligament rupture

 

[vanthaman]

Just seen a replay, looked nasty

 

[NoLogo]

Yeah pretty sure he won't be playing the WC.

 

[ManniKaltz]

Reus is out for the World Cup.

First prognosis double ligament rupture

Brilliant. Weidenfeller or Hummels will be the next BVB players out.

 

[ManniKaltz]

Aside from Reus' injury: Embarrassing performance as expected. At least Reus won't miss more than the group stage matches.

 

[bosnian_red]

feck sake, feel for him. Germany has had the worst luck ever in the build up to the World Cup.

 

[gofelx]

Reus is out for the World Cup.

First prognosis double ligament rupture

How do you know?

 

[Kill 'em all]

Looks really bad for Reus. He couldn't even walk by himself, had to be assisted by 2 people to get him to the locker room or whatever. Couldn't even put any pressure on his foot looking at the ZDF footage.

 

[bosnian_red]

Aside from Reus' injury: Embarrassing performance as expected. At least Reus won't miss more than the group stage matches.

A knee injury like that looks a lot longer then just 2 weeks ... Fingers crossed it's nothing serious but it looked bad the way his knee buckled.

 

[Kill 'em all]

Knee injury? I thought it was his ankle.

 

[ManniKaltz]

A knee injury like that looks a lot longer then just 2 weeks ... Fingers crossed it's nothing serious but it looked bad the way his knee buckled.

I expect him to be out for at least 2-3 months.

 

[MikeMango]

fecking hell. How much bad luck can one team have ?

I really liked the performance of Reus, Müller, Kroos and Schürrle so far.

 

[maze]

"left ankle joint"

 

[Balu]

A knee injury like that looks a lot longer then just 2 weeks ... Fingers crossed it's nothing serious but it looked bad the way his knee buckled.

He meant, if we play that badly at the worldcup, we're not making it through the groups, therefore Reus only misses the 3 group stage games. Löw is an idiot. Totally waste of a game that should be used to help the back four to get into a rhythm, get to know each other, start to gel. Instead he plays a team that won't ever play like that in the worldcup, mental.

 

[bosnian_red]

He meant, if we play that badly at the worldcup, we're not making it through the groups, therefore Reus only misses the 3 group stage games. Löw is an idiot. Totally waste of a game that should be used to help the back four to get into a rhythm, get to know each other, start to gel. Instead he plays a team that won't ever play like that in the worldcup, mental.

Ah, misunderstood him. Thought he meant he would only be out for a tiny bit. I'm not sure how much you can blame Low for this though, it's just a freak injury and can happen to anyone ever.

 

[Balu]

Ah, misunderstood him. Thought he meant he would only be out for a tiny bit. I'm not sure how much you can blame Low for this though, it's just a freak injury and can happen to anyone ever.

I'm not blaming Löw for the injury, that's just bad luck. I'm blaming Löw for wasting basically every single friendly Germany played in the last year for stupid experiments instead of building a team with an identity and an established defense in which the players know and trust each other.

 

[NoLogo]

Großkreutz.

 

[maze]

this was really really bad. oh boy. kevin!

 

[NoLogo]

Podolski makes it 2-1. He really made a difference since coming on. One assist and one goal, not too shabby.

 

[Fred the Red's left foot]

Germany flip a switch and turn on FIFA mode. The last couple of minutes has been amazing football!

 

[NoLogo]

3-1. All of sudden there is some drive in our game maybe it just the fresh legs though.

Good run from Höwedes btw.