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OranjeCafe: The Netherlands at the World Cup
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Netherlands was nothing special yesterday but took what Mexico offered after they've fallen back. LVG made some changes, they continued to attack until they scored and in the end won. I see some posters fail to recognize what has LVG done with this team. Other than RVP, Sneijder and Robben its a team of perspective youngers and average players but LVG made them a formidable unit and a very good team. Sure they didnt play particulary great yesterday but a result is all that matters in this stage. They should beat CRC and 2 very tasty possible semifinals then. Either against Argentina or against their neighoburs Belgium. 
Leave jimorrison and his posts, if we ignore him he will get bored. Not only he's posting same and same posts in the game thread, he is wumming here also.
Leave jimorrison and his posts, if we ignore him he will get bored. Not only he's posting same and same posts in the game thread, he is wumming here also.
Your reasoning is astoundingly baffling. So because there is no rule that says that Herrera is not allowed to put his face down crotch-height where people kick around, this in your head means that if due to that action he puts himself in danger, his opponent is at fault? Your straw-grasping is getting more ludicrous by the minute.
Yeah well it's winter now in Brazil, in the summer it would've been even hotter I guess. In Qatar it would depend on in which months the World Cup would take place and I also think the humidity is different in Qatar. Time is a big factor too, Holland vs. Mexico was played at the hottest point of the day for some reason. Just makes no sense to play football in such environments.
Yet if they move Qatar to the winter, maybe an evening game in Qatar would be 22 degrees Celsius with not so much humidity, that would be very reasonable to play in and 10x better than the climate yesterday, but still the whole Qatar idea is silly. Although with the whole Blatter/FIFA corruption noises I really don't have a clue whether 2022 will still be in Qatar or a different country.
If a player dives head first towards the ball on the ground just as the other player is about to kick the ball then it's not going to be dangerous play by the player that is about to kick, the other guy brings it onto himself. Now that is a very obvious black and white situation, the one that ocurred yesterday is more grey. Vlaar doesn't kick that high, and Herrera puts his head down.
Netherlands should get a bye into the semi as Costa Rica are awful. Greece might have put up a decent showing but there you have it. Costa Rica are just a poor side. Shame on Italy and England.
Most probably not, but because both players are equally at fault for creating the danger the refrees are on those type of incidents left to their own sense of judgement, but your not honestly expecting a referee to give a penalty for dangerous play in the world cup knock out stages? Had he actually hit him and inflicted some kind of minor damage it would have made a totally different case.
Also i remember a similarly incident involving van persie in the penalty box shortly after the herrera incident, where a Mexican defender barely missed van persie, and hadn't van persie backed off i think he would have been hit. Neither of the incidents where penalties imo.
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Netherlands won't have any byes, I'm afraid. We've struggled with Australia, we've struggled with Chile, we got very lucky against Spain for going 1-1 just after avoiding a 2-0 deficit, and we crept through the eye of the needle yesterday against Mexico, who would have probably won if they hadn't stopped playing football after the 1-0. One thing is for sure with this Dutch team, they are batting way above their quality and it will only take one off-day for Robben to sink the ship. We cannot make play, we need teams that are coming at us gung-ho (Mexico cleverly kept their defenders back when on the offensive throughout the first half, which effectively killed off Robben en RVP), so if Costa Rica have studied the Mexico and Chile games, they have a good chance. The Dutch are living on borrowed time at the moment, and I'll enjoy it for as long as it lasts, but this cannot continue unpunished unless we improve our possession play.
I think it will be a step to far for Costa Rica against the Netherlands. They had to play the best part of an hour down to ten men and did a lot of running, they looked out on their feet.
RVP will have a stormer, I reckon at least 2 goals.
RVP will have a stormer, I reckon at least 2 goals.
Costa Rica can study all they want, they are a poor side and were found out last night despite the pen shootout. If you have two thirds possession and four times the shots on goal, as Greece had last night, I'll expect you to win
Geez, the Dutch people for football are completely different to English. I think that you'll destroy Costa Rica (who apparently had a single shot in goal against Greece, for 120 minutes). Against Argies and eventually on the final it will be more difficult, but then both Argies and the eventual opponent on the final will attack which will suit your game.
However, I have a bad feeling that in the end you'll lose from Germany on the final which will be quite shit considering that they are your football arch-enemy.
Netherlands should be able to beat a costa rica who have had to go through to the quarters by playing 120 minutes of football and have had to endure a penalty shoot-out using a lot of energy in the process. Would be really disappointed if Netherlands failed to make it to the semis.
Holland-Germany final on South-American soil would be something special, but I can't see it happening I suspect it will be the predicted end result: Brazil vs Argentina. The Netherlands is in a transition period, shedding the 2010-2012 guys and bringing through youngsters for the 2016 EC. This tournament is coming 2-4 years too early. The results have been fantastic, but they mask the reality that without Robben's out-of-this-world form and LvG's tactical brain (and the players willing to listen to it this time), we are pretty mediocre player for player and we completely fail in what we are supposed to be good at: keeping possession of the ball, one-touch circulation and creating spaces. Without Strootman, Van der Wiel and (to a lesser extent) Van de rVaart, this was always going to be a tournament where any stage above the group stage would be a miracle.
I suspect it will be the predicted end result: Brazil vs Argentina. The Netherlands is in a transition period, shedding the 2010-2012 guys and bringing through youngsters for the 2016 EC. This tournament is coming 2-4 years too early. The results have been fantastic, but they mask the reality that without Robben's out-of-this-world form and LvG's tactical brain (and the players willing to listen to it this time), we are pretty mediocre player for player and we completely fail in what we are supposed to be good at: keeping possession of the ball, one-touch circulation and creating spaces. Without Strootman, Van der Wiel and (to a lesser extent) Van de rVaart, this was always going to be a tournament where any stage above the group stage would be a miracle.LVG won the match yesterday with his adaptation to 4-3-3 and Robben on the right. Huntelaar came in great, but we've got lucky. Lets hope their dissapointing match yesterday was due to the heat. RVP struggled with it.
And don't forget De Jong dropping out early on and seemingly set to miss the rest of the tournament. Most people, including most Dutchmen, may not like his bullish actions, but without him this fragile team will be ripped to shreds by the Argentina's and Germany's of this world.
Think germany will make the finals, while argentina havent impressed anyone. Think you have played good and organized against stronger teams so anything could happend. Just hope you dont lose yet another final, that would be devastating for you.Holland-Germany final on South-American soil would be something special, but I can't see it happening
Dunno, think Van Gaal will be able to outfox the Argentinians. Germany, who they may yet meet in the final if they can go the distance, will assuredly offer a sterner test. Much more quality from back to front. I daresay Van Persie would be the only Dutch player to get a game in that German side.
@redefw: If you have to believe some of the Dutch media, winning the final this year might potentially be worse. Because if we win it in a way that is not considered 'Dutch school' by the old maestro's (Cruijff, Van Hanegem, et al) and their lovers (most of the Dutch sports media over the past 30 years), it will spell crisis in Dutch football land. The joys.
That sounds completely ridiculous.. Win in a WC after 3 lost finals will spell a crisis? If only Croatia would have such a crisis......
Well, I may be overstating it a bit, obviously everyone would be overjoyed. But once the festivities would die down, the arguing would start and the camps would be drawn up: those in favour of the 'Dutch' style (i.e. total football) and those who feel that winning trumps the manner in which you win. And it does get nasty.
It would certainly be ironic if the Netherlands won this World Cup given they have taken far better squads to tournaments many times before. But at this moment in time Van Gaal is making the most out of what is available.
I can see the argument on both sides (style versus winning) but surely the debate presupposes you have the resources at your disposal to make such a decision. If Van Gaal was playing anti-football with players capable of winning another way the criticism would make sense. The Chelsea v Athletico CL semi final springs to mind: Chelsea set up that way but they had the players available to be more positive, it was just that Mourinho chose not to. This strikes me as a different situation. If and when the Netherlands has a more gifted set of players at its disposal it can debate whether to return to its ideals or to continue with a more pragmatic approach. For now it doesnt have that option, it can either be pragmatic or be soundly beaten trying to be something it isnt.
I can see the argument on both sides (style versus winning) but surely the debate presupposes you have the resources at your disposal to make such a decision. If Van Gaal was playing anti-football with players capable of winning another way the criticism would make sense. The Chelsea v Athletico CL semi final springs to mind: Chelsea set up that way but they had the players available to be more positive, it was just that Mourinho chose not to. This strikes me as a different situation. If and when the Netherlands has a more gifted set of players at its disposal it can debate whether to return to its ideals or to continue with a more pragmatic approach. For now it doesnt have that option, it can either be pragmatic or be soundly beaten trying to be something it isnt.
They go for Robben, not the ball. There is your penalty.
Ok we get it. Enough with the massive spammy pics of Robben and Marquez.CTPM !!!! never touches him. dives and ref takes the bait.
Dirk Kuyt has been ridiculed by many. Yet, most managers who he has played for and most players he has played with talk about him highly.
The guy was everywhere on the pitch yesterday. Played LB, RB, Midfield, RW, just kept running and eventually one of the 36 corners he got paid off.
He might not be nature's most handsome, nor a graceful footballer. But he is a legend for simply doing his job and doing it well.
The guy was everywhere on the pitch yesterday. Played LB, RB, Midfield, RW, just kept running and eventually one of the 36 corners he got paid off.
He might not be nature's most handsome, nor a graceful footballer. But he is a legend for simply doing his job and doing it well.
but going after the ball inside the penalty box is not an automatic penalty.
specially when a defender makes no contact, robben dives and the ref takes the bait.
but in Herrera's play, Vlaar clearly kicks Herrera in his face/head. the maza play play is not even comparable because maza kicks the ball outside to a corner kick.
vlaar's kick on herrera to the face/head was inside the penalty box, which could have warranted a penalty or at the very least a free kick for dangerous play.
Jim Morrison, we get it, you are sad Mexico lost and Holland went through.
Now go outside and take a dive somewhere in El Paso or Texas's dry desert lands.
Now go outside and take a dive somewhere in El Paso or Texas's dry desert lands.
CTPM @ essaux. not sad more of frustrated that most can't admit that robben dived when the game should have continued on to extra time and possibly penalties. but the ref took the bait.
You are very sad mate, you've been going at it for the past feck knows how many pages, and you're still going at it.
Mexico lost, because they let Holland attack after they went 1-0 up. Stupid mistake, now they paid the price.
Go outside and enjoy the weather mate. Maybe take a dive in one of El Paso's swimming pools and you can try and simulate Robben's perfect curl.
It was a poor challenge. Contact was made. He stepped on his foot. He made a meal of it. Any Mexican player in his shoes would have attempted the same. Does someone here need to play the world's smallest violin for you to get over it?
De Jong is probably out of this WC. I think he is the most important player in Van Gaal his 5-3-2 system. I am curious about Van Gaal his next moves.
Could be mind games for the potential semi final game against Argentina.
Van der Vaart missing imho ended up being a good thing. In his current form and seemingly even mental state I think he would've had a negative impact on the balance of the team. Other than that, Strootman and Van der Wiel missing makes it all the more impressive they got this far. Oh how they could ve used the extra quality now that De Jong might be out for the rest of the tourney.Holland-Germany final on South-American soil would be something special, but I can't see it happening
Itll be interesting to see if referees give Robben any protection from here on in. While FIFA have decided not to punish him for admitting to diving, I think refs are going to be very hard to convince that anything on him is a legitimate foul.
@ SaintTresano , CTPM!!! robben dives and the ref takes the bait.
never a penalty, marquez never stepped on robben's foot, hell he makes no contact with him. if anything robben trips himself with both feet and dives.
even if a Mexican player had attempted the same and dived like Robben, I assure you %100 the ref never would have called it in favor of Mexico.
don't like violins, so no thanks.
it was never a penalty. robben dived.
Well, he got his penalty and Mexico is out.
. Get over it, and next time don't forget to play football when your team is 1-0 up.See it bright. Put on your Man United glasses. Luis will let his team fight till the last second. Isn't it beautiful?
I am pretty sure the match Holland played in the heat will, even if it was just 90 minutes, would have a bigger effect on Holland than Costa Rica's 120 minutes has on them. In the end it shouldn't matter much though. There is enough time between the matches to regain energy.
Considering the English media and online reaction to Robben like this one I've come to realize that the England team did excellent at this world cup. With the English people genetically unable to distinct between limbs and footballs it was a huge performance to get 11 players even scoring a goal in a football match. But it also explains why any English dribbling talent is kicked into mediocrity before the age of 22.