Day 22: Brazil vs. Germany

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Well yeah.. It's mostly the.. I don't know the exact word for it in English... but the.. venomous way in which people are enjoying this which rubs me the wrong way.
I believe the term you're referring to is schadenfreude, which, ironically enough, has German origins.
 

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Lahm gets plenty of recognition, so does Kroos (who get's some criticism in Germany for not playing flashy enough).
Lahm had an excellent game. Very understated and professional. Didn't put a foot wrong. Kroos just ran rings round Brazil effortlessly. Muller was given acres of space and was barely marked by Brazil. I really don't think Ozil should be picked for the final though. Breitner's criticism of Ozil has been spot on.
 

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Well, I assume you're German? For you, I'm happy you got to experience this, and you should enjoy it obviously. (I'm Dutch, feck you.)
But I don't see you spouting this hatred though. However, based on all the replies to whatever I posted, I guess I have to conclude I'm being too sensitive and not debate about it. I just feel differently to most about this I guess. Maybe it's more harmless than I interpreted it as.
It is... once the euphoria dies down (as it does for me now apparently), we also realise this is harsher than it needed to be. But what the hell, nobody ever said irrationality was banned on the stands. Fans do all kinds of crazy things and mock players for the stupidest reasons. This will wear off eventually. 7-1... that is insane, expect insane reactions. :)
 

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Why does everyone here hate Luiz? He knows football is everything to the Brazilian people, and he feels like he let them down. Why kick a man who's already down?
Because he's a twat for getting Rafa sent off
 

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Even still, you know very well it's more much than that to loads of people, even if you feel that way. Regardless though, even if it is just a game, you feel it's appropriate to laugh at a man to whom it is obviously much more than that? If so, fair enough, but I don't understand what's funny about it.. But maybe I am indeed a pussy who needs to get a grip. Fair enough. I just don't like looking at football and all that comes with it that way.
Look, that man is a fecking cnut of the highest order, as we have seen in game after game against Chelsea. I don't give a flying feck if he's crying over a game. Yes, I did find it amusing. Know why? Because he didn't lose a child to cancer or watch a massacre in his village or lose his home to bankruptcy or just learn he has AIDS. No, he lost a fecking ball game.

Yes. Amusing. Put in it perspective.
 

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Didn't Big Fool Scolari pick Diego Costa in a couple of Brazil friendlies but decided he would stick with Joe & Fred ?
 

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Perspective: we had idiots in here posting photos of Hitler & joking about 'lolocausts'.
 

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Why does everyone here hate Luiz? He knows football is everything to the Brazilian people, and he feels like he let them down. Why kick a man who's already down?
He's an utter utter tosser who chucks the elbow in all the time, dives, cheats and all other associated cuntery. I took great delight in watching the twat put in the worst CB performance in football history and then cry his eyes out.
 

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I believe the term you're referring to is schadenfreude, which, ironically enough, has German origins.
Yeah, didn't feel schadenfreude quite covered it, cause that's less hateful I think. But I guess it works
 

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It is... once the euphoria dies down (as it does for me now apparently), we also realise this is harsher than it needed to be. But what the hell, nobody ever said irrationality was banned on the stands. Fans do all kinds of crazy things and mock players for the stupidest reasons. This will wear off eventually. 7-1... that is insane, expect insane reactions. :)
Fair enough, guess I'm reacting more emotionally than necessary myself as well.
 

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Watched this at work with all my colleagues. Still stunned. There was more shocked silence than the usual cheer in the end, until one guy said this after the seventh goal:

"Germany are just trying to see how many goals they have to score to make the Brazilian players openly cry on the pitch."
*cut to Julio Cesar's puffy-eyed face*
"Seven goals. They had to score seven goals."
 

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Luiz also refused to shake Anton Ferdinand's hand after the whole John Terry racism thing.

I don't feel any sympathy for him at all.
 

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Look, that man is a fecking cnut of the highest order, as we have seen in game after game against Chelsea. I don't give a flying feck if he's crying over a game. Yes, I did find it amusing. Know why? Because he didn't lose a child to cancer or watch a massacre in his village or lose his home to bankruptcy or just learn he has AIDS. No, he lost a fecking ball game.

Yes. Amusing. Put in it perspective.
Fair enough if you feel that way. More than a game to many people who he was representing, and I think it's fair to keep that in mind.
 

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Watched this at work with all my colleagues. Still stunned. There was more shocked silence than the usual cheer in the end, until one guy said this after the seventh goal:

"Germany are just trying to see how many goals they have to score to make the Brazilian players openly cry on the pitch."
*cut to Julio Cesar's puffy-eyed face*
"Seven goals. They had to score seven goals."
That is pure gold. :D
 

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If only the Germans had a word for taking pleasure in the misfortunes of others.
 

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Absolute shambles from Brazil... their heads were gone after the first goal went in but I think this mauling was on the cards for awhile anyway since they've crawled to the semis. Germany were in first gear for the entire second half. Very poor team against an efficient and organised unit who never lose composure. Hilarious stuff
 

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Fair enough if you feel that way. More than a game to many people who he was representing, and I think it's fair to keep that in mind.
Also, just a game to those people he's representing.

Seriously. It's a fecking game.
 

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I would like to quote... "Football, bloody hell". This game is why some of us are interested in football. It's historic, it's putting cheaters into their place, it's spectacular... I still am getting used to the idea of such a scoreline in a semi final. Versus Brazil no less. Some of the comments are what you'd expect in a game Celtic vs. Rangers, only ten times as ridiculous. It doesn't have to make sense, the maliciousness is not entirely serious and we have been beaten by teams like Brazil, Italy and Spain often enough in semis or finals to know how it feels to be robbed. A lot of the emotions going on in me right now really also has something to do with a giant amount of relief.

As I told a coworker just this afternoon when she wished me fun watching the game... "I'm going to enjoy being in the WC until exactly 10 pm, after that I'm going to be a wreck... and only if we're lucky, I will be allowed to dream on for 5 days more." So, having the first goal put me at ease, the 2-4th goal were just unreal. It doesn't explain me being really, really schadenfroh... but that's Schadenfreude for you. Part of it is that you're just glad it's not you out there but the other team.

And you know the old saying... sometimes you win some, sometimes you lose some. We'll be the target of mockery soon enough again. Let us enjoy the moment while it lasts, Brazil will come back with a vengeance eventually. Just like England. Football is cyclic like that. That's why it's the greatest sport in the world.
Schadenfreude?? You felt that? How poor. I'm German and I was as happy, but I felt sorry for the Brazilians. What might they have to go through from now. Schadenfreude is a good feeling for weak people.
 

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Watched this at work with all my colleagues. Still stunned. There was more shocked silence than the usual cheer in the end, until one guy said this after the seventh goal:

"Germany are just trying to see how many goals they have to score to make the Brazilian players openly cry on the pitch."
*cut to Julio Cesar's puffy-eyed face*
"Seven goals. They had to score seven goals."
:lol: that's epic
 

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Imagine being a sub on the Brazil and being asked to come on in the second half... "Hernanes... go get ready to come on" ... "Erm... yeah sur... ah, ooo legs a bit tight actually boss... I think I best sit this one out..."

If Neymar wasn't a god to these lot before this game...
 

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Perspective: we had idiots in here posting photos of Hitler & joking about 'lolocausts'.
yeah...as usual.

but other than that....Brazil deserve every laugh they get. complete tossers. The team the crowd..their fans...and I mean all over the fecking world.

I still think Argentina will win the cup. This German team were made to look great by a joke team wearing those yellow shirts.
 

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It's completely staged. Especially a prick like Luiz doesn't get any symphathy from me. Of course he's devestated but he's a grown man ffs.
Grown-men have been crying this ENTIRE tournament...

Seriously, if grown-men crying angers you, I'd say the World Cup is probably the last thing you want to be watching.
 

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Also, just a game to those people he's representing.

Seriously. It's a fecking game.
Football is what David Luiz has devoted his life to. It is not just a game for him. Plus you can not ask for "passion" from professional athletes and then criticize them when they show emotion. Obviously he does not really deserve sympathy but, you can not fault him for his emotions.
 

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Yeah, didn't feel schadenfreude quite covered it, cause that's less hateful I think. But I guess it works
Do you guys really use schadenfreude in your english language? I just thought you're using it for fun because germany is playing. :D It is a simple german word. (schaden=damage, freude=happiness)

btw. the only person i felt sorry for was Fred. Poor lad, ugly and embarrasing fans. But at least they showed their true face in the end.
 

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Also, just a game to those people he's representing.

Seriously. It's a fecking game.
A game that is very very important to many people around the world. Why not respect that? I don't want to be patronizing but surely you know about all the history this game has and what it has historically meant to many people. Strictly rationally, yes, it's just a game, but to many people it just means so very very much. Regardless of what it means to you personally, and how you feel about that. I understand also to many people it is just a game, but I feel a statement like that just disregards what football means to many people, and it is in fact the most annoying thing anyone could ever possibly say when you're upset over a game that your team loses. Never happened to you?
 
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Weird how that didn't change my opinion because it's the team I support, huh.

Still a fecking game.
It might 'just be a game' but its a bloody emotional one. We've seen players and fans crying for years after wins and defeats. But suddenly when its Brazil they're all cnuts and its all fake?...Nah not having that. If anything, they have even more reason to be emotional.

I don't think people actually understand how much this WC means to Brazilians.

I don't see anyone standing with a reporter for an interview looking into a camera. And in the above pic Chicharito isn't crying.
So he's a cnut for giving an interview?...Poor sod can't win with some on here.
 

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Do you guys really use schadenfreude in your english language? I just thought you're using it for fun because germany is playing. :D It is a simple german word. (schaden=damage, freude=happiness)
I'm Dutch, but I see that word used a lot on English forums, don't think there's an English word that covers quite what shadenfreude means (not really anything in Dutch either that I can think of).
Think there's a QI bit on this word.
 

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What's wrong with grown men crying? Are men not allowed to show their emotions?
 

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I feel bad for Willian though, how on earth can players like Bernard, Hulk and Fred be on the team sheet over him?
We were linked with Hulk and this Bernard dwarf... shivering with delight that we stayed well clear.
 

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Schadenfreude?? You felt that? How poor. I'm German and I was as happy, but I felt sorry for the Brazilians. What might they have to go through from now. Schadenfreude is a good feeling for weak people.
Oh get off your high horse... have you seen them play? I can totally get behind people saying they're utter twats on the field, relying on their name to get them through to the final. It almost worked, too. Have you seen the dives and vicious attacks they made today? If anyone has to be commended in this game, it's the ref. He was spot on most of the time as far as I could see.
 

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How did Brazil concede 7?

They had at least 2 DMs on the pitch at any given moment, they started with Fernandinho and Gustavo then went into the second half with Ramires, Gustavo and Paulinho.

Yet Germany carved through them at will. Just goes to show that having a fabled defensive midfielder won't stop you from losing big games if the tactics aren't great.

Also Marcelo needs to have a word with himself, nearly every German attack in the first half started down that side with Lahm + Muller having complete freedom to do as they pleased.

Luiz bombing forward didn't help as he left gaps at the back and Hulk + Fred did next to nothing to relieve the pressure on Brazil.