[santeria13]

Agree with this mostly but Januzaj did not look good. He looked lost imo

Fair point. I meant good in comparison to the rest of the team. He, Wilson and pereira were our most dangerous players, none of which played nearly as well as they are capable of. He wasn't his usual self today, by any means.

 

[fordemonk]

Fair point. I meant good in comparison to the rest of the team. He, Wilson and pereira were our most dangerous players, none of which played nearly as well as they are capable of. He wasn't his usual self today, by any means.

agreed

 

[Dargonk]

We started off well and looked threatening for a while without actually creating much except Powell shots, then Evans made a bad error leading to their goals and we became rubbish for the rest of the half. Also, Kagawa got injured in between which hurt the transition and momentum.

2nd half we started off okay, and then were building some momentum before LVG made a slightly weird change which ended up resulting in Pereira playing midfield with a tired and almost non existent Ando for last 30 minutes. Then another few errors lead to their 2nd goal and we just became total shit from that point and just collapsed except bright play here and there by a few subs.

Wilson did well in his cameo appearance. Pereira did reasonably well too considering the role he was put in. Rest all were ranging from poor to total rubbish. I thought Powell was decent considering his first game back, and playing CM with Ando but others seem to disagree.

Well Evans for the 1st passed it straight to them 18 yards out under no pressure, The 2nd was a chest into the net from a cross from 10 yards out, 3rd and 4th where just unbelievable defending by us (also the 1st) Evans had his worst game for us ever and Keane looked like a Sunday League player. If you want to know how bad we were going forward it took us 60mins to have a shot on target. No players performed but Wilson looked like a player when he came on and Pereira was decent, Even Januzaj looked crap. Anderson was woeful and so was James. Our passing was worse than Sunday and was the worst I have ever seen us play and that is no lie.

Thanks guys. On the bright side we have a new number 7 at least.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

What can I say? Pretty bad game for us, and that's being nice.

Felt we started off good. Got into good positions and created some good chances, but I felt it all went pear shaped when Shinji went off. As good as Januzaj is, although he wants to be a number 10, and many others feel his future lies as a number 10, he didn't always show for the ball, along with Anderson and Powell, which meant we had very little options when our back line was in possession of the ball, coincidently being the cause the mistake for the first, and well, most of the goals we conceded. Having said that, some of our mistakes were unforgivable, especially from some of our senior players who supposed to be setting an example.

Once MK Dons scored the first goal, it obviously give them a massive boost of confidence, and from there, it went from bad to worse. We looked nervous on the ball, very few options off it, and were giving it away cheaply.

I felt we looked a bit better with the introduction of Pereira and Wilson, who were arguably the only positive out of the loss.

I don't think such a big loss will be good for the younger lads. Think the new formation, as well as the first time we've fielded that XI showed in our performance. That said, Van Gaal did say it will take time. However, it's a results business, and I full expect us to be winning games like this.

Anyway, looking forward to Burnley on Saturday, especially with the addition of Di Maria. Excited to see where he will play. Hopefully we get a positive result, as well as a good performance.

 

[Oo0AahCantona]

What can I say? Pretty bad game for us, and that's being nice.

Felt we started off good. Got into good positions and created some good chances, but I felt it all went pear shaped when Shinji went off. As good as Januzaj is, although he wants to be a number 10, and many others feel his future lies as a number 10, he didn't always show for the ball, along with Anderson and Powell, which meant we had very little options when our back line was in possession of the ball, coincidently being the cause the mistake for the first, and well, most of the goals we conceded. Having said that, some of our mistakes were unforgivable, especially from some of our senior players who supposed to be setting an example.

Once MK Dons scored the first goal, it obviously give them a massive boost of confidence, and from there, it went from bad to worse. We looked nervous on the ball, very few options off it, and were giving it away cheaply.

I felt we looked a bit better with the introduction of Pereira and Wilson, who were arguably the only positive out of the loss.

I don't think such a big loss will be good for the younger lads. Think the new formation, as well as the first time we've fielded that XI showed in our performance. That said, Van Gaal did say it will take time. However, it's a results business, and I full expect us to be winning games like this.

Anyway, looking forward to Burnley on Saturday, especially with the addition of Di Maria. Excited to see where he will play. Hopefully we get a positive result, as well as a good performance.

this post is far too composed, live a little, have a complete meltdown like the rest of us!

 

[Red Dreams]

van Gaal tells a number of players they are off...same players give him a final finger.

sums up the result for me.

 

[Winrar]

Hardly an excuse considering the side that just beat them. We should be beating MK Don's even with the kids.

Just watched the highlights and my god that was some horrible defending for three of them. Evans, Anderson and whoever was number 36. At least their third goal was decent and not just down to us being useless.

I'm not trying to make up excuses, either. You'd think at least one of the 11 players would step up to the plate to try to impress to seize the opportunity to get noticed by Van Gaal for first team but nobody did. Hernandez especially was disappointing.

 

[fakeplastictrees]

I think when the dust settles and emotions have calmed down we'll see this match for what it was - a freak result.

A freak result in the second round of a league cup game. Yeah, we played shit but we're weren't 4-0 shit. It was a weird combination of individual errors compounded by fielding a team of youth mixed with senior players just returning from injury or those who know they might not be at the club much longer.

Plus, I think it was very ballsy for the manager to field the team that he did and I hope he keeps making ballsy decisions because that's what the club needs right now.

Fergie did it time and time again and it paid off and I trust van Gaal to do the same.

Plus, I'm loving how much everyone is enjoying watching our "downfall". Even those high up in the media are having their wee snide jibes at us. Makes me realise how much our success over the past 20 years has hurt them.

It'll just make the next success that bit more sweeter.

Today's been an interesting day.

 

[nazanto]

Can we play them every week?

4-0 every week? No?

This'll be 4 or 5.

U are right.

 

[SalfordRed1960]

van Gaal tells a number of players they are off...same players give him a final finger.

sums up the result for me.

Pretty much my take.

Just didn't get Adnan performance, others inexperienced or as you say middle finger job.

 

[SalfordRed1960]

I think when the dust settles and emotions have calmed down we'll see this match for what it was - a freak result.

A freak result in the second round of a league cup game. Yeah, we played shit but we're weren't 4-0 shit. It was a weird combination of individual errors compounded by fielding a team of youth mixed with senior players just returning from injury or those who know they might not be at the club much longer.

Plus, I think it was very ballsy for the manager to field the team that he did and I hope he keeps making ballsy decisions because that's what the club needs right now.

Fergie did it time and time again and it paid off and I trust van Gaal to do the same.

Plus, I'm loving how much everyone is enjoying watching our "downfall". Even those high up in the media are having their wee snide jibes at us. Makes me realise how much our success over the past 20 years has hurt them.

It'll just make the next success that bit more sweeter.

Today's been an interesting day.

Just surprising he put DDG thdough that. Not going to do his confidence much.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

I'd be happy if the majority of the players we saw against MK Dons never played for us again.

 

[bosnian_red]

Just surprising he put DDG thdough that. Not going to do his confidence much.

Think he expected us to be able to hold a league 1 team at bay to be fair... Also Lindegaard is on his way out and Johnstone is injured, and Amos just shit.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

this post is far too composed, live a little, have a complete meltdown like the rest of us!

There's a reason I took so long to post after the game.

 

[ChatBat]

I have to say, reading some of the comments in this thread (and on the board overall) really leaves me flabbergasted.

Especially when it comes to criticizing certain players and blaming them for the performance tonight. There's 3 or 4 posters in here who specifically name dropped Kagawa (and to a lesser extent Welbeck) and mentioned how tonight is the final nail in the coffin that he simply sucks.

Do people truly not have eyes? Do they really not see that for the first 20 minutes of the game our attack was held together by Kagawa? Did they not notice how we were on the front foot this whole time? Do they not see how Kagawa kept shape and made Welbeck and (more importantly) Hernandez work together? Welbeck had a few dangerous runs while Kagawa was on the pitch and even supplied a superb cross for Hernandez in a dangerous area only for the guy to wet his pants and fall over.

Also, these posters I mentioned, are they incapable of noticing how once Kagawa went off our attacking shape completely dissolved? We needed someone else to step up and no one did. All our attacks became irrelevant and furthermore, completely ruined by Hernandez which in turn also made Welbeck ineffective as no one was able to orchestrate anything anymore.

I'm just mesmerized by how some people can get so much "opinion" wrong by watching exactly the same game as myself.

If anything, tonight's "final nail in the coffin" has been for Anderson and Hernandez from the "senior" players and, in my opinion, for Michael Keane from the "juniors" (he's had terrible performances every time he's played in the senior team). It also proved that Januzaj is nowhere near ready to play as a No. 10. The difference in team performance between Kagawa led No. 10 and Januzaj led No.10 was day and night. Januzaj should be played as a winger, that's where he is damn good at (and a 4-3-3 type of system can't come fast enough for him, the current 3-5-2 system sadly has no room for his talents).

 

[Samrat Mazumdar]

So who s going for a Burnley win on Saturday??? Di Maria will surely not play, and the others overpaid lazy feckers will not turn up

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

I have to say, reading some of the comments in this thread (and on the board overall) really leaves me flabbergasted.

Especially when it comes to criticizing certain players and blaming them for the performance tonight. There's 3 or 4 posters in here who specifically name dropped Kagawa (and to a lesser extent Welbeck) and mentioned how tonight is the final nail in the coffin that he simply sucks.

Do people truly not have eyes? Do they really not see that for the first 20 minutes of the game our attack was held together by Kagawa? Did they not notice how we were on the front foot this whole time? Do they not see how Kagawa kept shape and made Welbeck and (more importantly) Hernandez work together? Welbeck had a few dangerous runs while Kagawa was on the pitch and even supplied a superb cross for Hernandez in a dangerous area only for the guy to wet his pants and fall over.

Also, these posters I mentioned, are they incapable of noticing how once Kagawa went off our attacking shape completely dissolved? We needed someone else to step up and no one did. All our attacks became irrelevant and furthermore, completely ruined by Hernandez which in turn also made Welbeck ineffective as no one was able to orchestrate anything anymore.

I'm just mesmerized by how some people can get so much "opinion" wrong by watching exactly the same game as myself.

If anything, tonight's "final nail in the coffin" has been for Anderson and Hernandez from the "senior" players and, in my opinion, for Michael Keane from the "juniors" (he's had terrible performances every time he's played in the senior team). It also proved that Januzaj is nowhere near ready to play as a No. 10. The difference in team performance between Kagawa led No. 10 and Januzaj led No.10 was day and night. Januzaj should be played as a winger, that's where he is damn good at (and a 4-3-3 type of system can't come fast enough for him, the current 3-5-2 system sadly has no room for his talents).

Great post.

 

[Red Matador]

So who s going for a Burnley win on Saturday??? Di Maria will surely not play, and the others overpaid lazy feckers will not turn up

Why would Di Maria not play?

 

[fordemonk]

I have to say, reading some of the comments in this thread (and on the board overall) really leaves me flabbergasted.

Especially when it comes to criticizing certain players and blaming them for the performance tonight. There's 3 or 4 posters in here who specifically name dropped Kagawa (and to a lesser extent Welbeck) and mentioned how tonight is the final nail in the coffin that he simply sucks.

Do people truly not have eyes? Do they really not see that for the first 20 minutes of the game our attack was held together by Kagawa? Did they not notice how we were on the front foot this whole time? Do they not see how Kagawa kept shape and made Welbeck and (more importantly) Hernandez work together? Welbeck had a few dangerous runs while Kagawa was on the pitch and even supplied a superb cross for Hernandez in a dangerous area only for the guy to wet his pants and fall over.

Also, these posters I mentioned, are they incapable of noticing how once Kagawa went off our attacking shape completely dissolved? We needed someone else to step up and no one did. All our attacks became irrelevant and furthermore, completely ruined by Hernandez which in turn also made Welbeck ineffective as no one was able to orchestrate anything anymore.

I'm just mesmerized by how some people can get so much "opinion" wrong by watching exactly the same game as myself.

If anything, tonight's "final nail in the coffin" has been for Anderson and Hernandez from the "senior" players and, in my opinion, for Michael Keane from the "juniors" (he's had terrible performances every time he's played in the senior team). It also proved that Januzaj is nowhere near ready to play as a No. 10. The difference in team performance between Kagawa led No. 10 and Januzaj led No.10 was day and night. Januzaj should be played as a winger, that's where he is damn good at (and a 4-3-3 type of system can't come fast enough for him, the current 3-5-2 system sadly has no room for his talents).

It absolutely baffles me too. Good post

 

[Alex99]

I have to say, reading some of the comments in this thread (and on the board overall) really leaves me flabbergasted.

Especially when it comes to criticizing certain players and blaming them for the performance tonight. There's 3 or 4 posters in here who specifically name dropped Kagawa (and to a lesser extent Welbeck) and mentioned how tonight is the final nail in the coffin that he simply sucks.

Do people truly not have eyes? Do they really not see that for the first 20 minutes of the game our attack was held together by Kagawa? Did they not notice how we were on the front foot this whole time? Do they not see how Kagawa kept shape and made Welbeck and (more importantly) Hernandez work together? Welbeck had a few dangerous runs while Kagawa was on the pitch and even supplied a superb cross for Hernandez in a dangerous area only for the guy to wet his pants and fall over.

Also, these posters I mentioned, are they incapable of noticing how once Kagawa went off our attacking shape completely dissolved? We needed someone else to step up and no one did. All our attacks became irrelevant and furthermore, completely ruined by Hernandez which in turn also made Welbeck ineffective as no one was able to orchestrate anything anymore.

I'm just mesmerized by how some people can get so much "opinion" wrong by watching exactly the same game as myself.

If anything, tonight's "final nail in the coffin" has been for Anderson and Hernandez from the "senior" players and, in my opinion, for Michael Keane from the "juniors" (he's had terrible performances every time he's played in the senior team). It also proved that Januzaj is nowhere near ready to play as a No. 10. The difference in team performance between Kagawa led No. 10 and Januzaj led No.10 was day and night. Januzaj should be played as a winger, that's where he is damn good at (and a 4-3-3 type of system can't come fast enough for him, the current 3-5-2 system sadly has no room for his talents).

feck me is the Kagawa fan club out in force tonight. He's been just about average for two years, and went off injured against MK fecking Dons after making one good pass and over-hitting a couple more that could have been dangerous if not hit so hard. The performance was abject all around, and 20 minutes of looking alright against a side from League 1 does not constitute "holding together the attack" or being "on the front foot." The criticism aimed at Kagawa isn't just based on this one game where he managed to appear slightly above average for about 10 minutes against a side 2 divisions below, it's based on the very mediocre 2 seasons preceding it too.

As for Welbeck, he was alright for a bit then suffered from everyone else basically being shite, then he turned shite as well. It wasn't his night but when you've got Hernandez basically not existing as your strike partner and Januzaj disappearing for large periods, there's basically nothing else you can do. The difference is, Welbeck's actually looked pretty good over the last two seasons.

As for Januzaj, he's probably struggling a bit with the whole "talisman" thing, he is only 19 after all. I wouldn't be writing him off as a No. 10 but I do agree that he'll probably end up as a winger. Again though, he had a good season last season. Kagawa's had about 2 good games (and now a good 10 minutes against MK Dons) in his whole time here.

Hernandez can just go. Anderson's been done here for about 2 years, I just don't think anyone fancies him. I don't think anyone expects much from Michael Keane, in all honesty. He's only really in the side due to a lack of options.

Kagawa was by no means at fault for tonight's loss. Apart from Wilson and maybe Pereira, basically everyone was shite.

 

[ChatBat]

Oh I'm sorry. I thought this was the thread about today's game and I was commenting on how posters blamed Kagawa for the loss and further proof his time is up, my bad. I didn't know we were invoking past season performance.

If we are going to do that, I can easily invoke, as further proof that Januzaj is not meant for No. 10 role, the game against Swansea at home last season, the one we won 2-1. Januzaj started the game as No. 10 and Kagawa on the wing and we played dreadful football + went behind (both Januzaj and Kagawa were terrible). At half time Moyes switched Kagawa to No. 10 and Januzaj to the wing and we ended up with a 2-1 win and the only decent performance in in the months of December, January.

 

[Gannicus]

There's two ways to look at this defeat.

The first is to take a good, long piss on mediocre performances and analyze every single player's performances in great detail. We can do that but it really won't get us anywhere.

The second, and correct, way to look at it is to recognize that it's a freak result. It really was. Louis put out there a mish mash group of players who never played together before against a squad that was well drilled for what they were going up against. The capitalized on the Evans mistake and once our heads dropped -- which is what happens to young players -- the mowed us down.

We're best advised to get over this one quickly and move on.

 

[Alex99]

Oh I'm sorry. I thought this was the thread about today's game and I was commenting on how posters blamed Kagawa for the loss and further proof his time is up, my bad. I didn't know we were invoking past season performance.

If we are going to do that, I can easily invoke, as further proof that Januzaj is not meant for No. 10 role, the game against Swansea at home last season, the one we won 2-1. Januzaj started the game as No. 10 and Kagawa on the wing and we played dreadful football + went behind (both Januzaj and Kagawa were terrible). At half time Moyes switched Kagawa to No. 10 and Januzaj to the wing and we ended up with a 2-1 win and the only decent performance in in the months of December, January.

Of course we're looking at past performances. That's how it's the final nail. He's had a load of other nails hammered in because of poor performances over the previous two seasons, and now a slightly above average 10 minutes against MK Dons is the final nail. I don't really agree that this performance is the final nail, but that's because I think his time ran out at the end of last season after showing absolutely nothing over the course of two seasons.

You can pick apart the individual performances of a teenager all you like (to prove a point I agreed with), but at the end of the day, Januzaj still managed to be far more impressive last season than Kagawa has been at all.

 

[RedIke]

I am one for putting lots of onus on the players. And again for me, I think the players let this club down big time. With that said though, I think this match will be a real learning experience for LVG.

He has just now, seen what he has to work with once and for all. Ando, Powell, Javier, to go along with some kids. He can finally evaluate and see who makes the grade and who does not. Many more do not as of now. He can see who he needs to move on.

Also, hitting rock bottom is not a bad thing when a rebuild is necessary. I think its safe to say this is rock bottom. He will get a result this weekend, and hit the training hard over the international break. I have full confidence in him and expect him to handle and take control the way he knows how.

 

[oncehorowitz]

I have to say, reading some of the comments in this thread (and on the board overall) really leaves me flabbergasted.

Especially when it comes to criticizing certain players and blaming them for the performance tonight. There's 3 or 4 posters in here who specifically name dropped Kagawa (and to a lesser extent Welbeck) and mentioned how tonight is the final nail in the coffin that he simply sucks.

Do people truly not have eyes? Do they really not see that for the first 20 minutes of the game our attack was held together by Kagawa? Did they not notice how we were on the front foot this whole time? Do they not see how Kagawa kept shape and made Welbeck and (more importantly) Hernandez work together? Welbeck had a few dangerous runs while Kagawa was on the pitch and even supplied a superb cross for Hernandez in a dangerous area only for the guy to wet his pants and fall over.

Also, these posters I mentioned, are they incapable of noticing how once Kagawa went off our attacking shape completely dissolved? We needed someone else to step up and no one did. All our attacks became irrelevant and furthermore, completely ruined by Hernandez which in turn also made Welbeck ineffective as no one was able to orchestrate anything anymore.

I'm just mesmerized by how some people can get so much "opinion" wrong by watching exactly the same game as myself.

If anything, tonight's "final nail in the coffin" has been for Anderson and Hernandez from the "senior" players and, in my opinion, for Michael Keane from the "juniors" (he's had terrible performances every time he's played in the senior team). It also proved that Januzaj is nowhere near ready to play as a No. 10. The difference in team performance between Kagawa led No. 10 and Januzaj led No.10 was day and night. Januzaj should be played as a winger, that's where he is damn good at (and a 4-3-3 type of system can't come fast enough for him, the current 3-5-2 system sadly has no room for his talents).

Great post.

Our game with and without Kagawa is completely different and Januzaj looked lost even when he's playing as a winger.

Ando and Hernandez have really let people down, but I think the biggest disappointment has to be our captain Evans. He used to be really good playing alongside Rio or Vidic, and you would expect him to step up and lead our defense being the most senior defender in the team. Well, the only thing that he's leading his defense line is panic, and soon enough Keane follows him and our defense just crashed. Even Jones looked a much better defensive leader than Evans.

I don't know if LvG is going to stay stubborn and stick to his 352, but I really hope to see us play 433 now we have Di Maria. With our vulnerable and inexperience defense, it will take an annoyingly long time for the team to learn how to defense properly.

 

[Alex99]

Great post.

Our game with and without Kagawa is completely different and Januzaj looked lost even when he's playing as a winger.

Ando and Hernandez have really let people down, but I think the biggest disappointment has to be our captain Evans. He used to be really good playing alongside Rio or Vidic, and you would expect him to step up and lead our defense being the most senior defender in the team. Well, the only thing that he's leading his defense line is panic, and soon enough Keane follows him and our defense just crashed. Even Jones looked a much better defensive leader than Evans.

I don't know if LvG is going to stay stubborn and stick to his 352, but I really hope to see us play 433 now we have Di Maria. With our vulnerable and inexperience defense, it will take an annoyingly long time for the team to learn how to defense properly.

Our game against MK Dons from League 1, to be more specific.

Evans has just come back from injury, and he looked like it too. He ballsed up, and he knows it. He'll move on and be back to his best in no time.

 

[oncehorowitz]

Our game against MK Dons from League 1, to be more specific.

Evans has just come back from injury, and he looked like it too. He ballsed up, and he knows it. He'll move on and be back to his best in no time.

Yeah of course, in today's game. A team with Mata and Herrera certainly looks better.

As for Evans, I don't think injury justifies a mistake like that. Being the captain and the most experienced defender in the team, you ought to tell younger players not to do stupid things, not to show them how to do stupid things.

I can't remember how many times he got yelled at when he was playing alongside Rio. But that's what a leader should do, and that's how you keep your younger partners focused. It's one thing to be a decent partner playing alongside an experienced player, but it's a complete different thing to be the leader yourself.

I had hoped Evans would take over the leadership in our defense line after we lost Vidic and Rio and Evra. It looks like wishful thinking now.

 

[Luigi Galvani]

I have to say, reading some of the comments in this thread (and on the board overall) really leaves me flabbergasted.

Especially when it comes to criticizing certain players and blaming them for the performance tonight. There's 3 or 4 posters in here who specifically name dropped Kagawa (and to a lesser extent Welbeck) and mentioned how tonight is the final nail in the coffin that he simply sucks.

Do people truly not have eyes? Do they really not see that for the first 20 minutes of the game our attack was held together by Kagawa? Did they not notice how we were on the front foot this whole time? Do they not see how Kagawa kept shape and made Welbeck and (more importantly) Hernandez work together? Welbeck had a few dangerous runs while Kagawa was on the pitch and even supplied a superb cross for Hernandez in a dangerous area only for the guy to wet his pants and fall over.

Also, these posters I mentioned, are they incapable of noticing how once Kagawa went off our attacking shape completely dissolved? We needed someone else to step up and no one did. All our attacks became irrelevant and furthermore, completely ruined by Hernandez which in turn also made Welbeck ineffective as no one was able to orchestrate anything anymore.

I'm just mesmerized by how some people can get so much "opinion" wrong by watching exactly the same game as myself.

If anything, tonight's "final nail in the coffin" has been for Anderson and Hernandez from the "senior" players and, in my opinion, for Michael Keane from the "juniors" (he's had terrible performances every time he's played in the senior team). It also proved that Januzaj is nowhere near ready to play as a No. 10. The difference in team performance between Kagawa led No. 10 and Januzaj led No.10 was day and night. Januzaj should be played as a winger, that's where he is damn good at (and a 4-3-3 type of system can't come fast enough for him, the current 3-5-2 system sadly has no room for his talents).

Completely agree with your analysis. Hernandez spoiled many good moves. Kagawa bashing is unwarranted, for me he was the man of the match. Welbeck looked ok. Feeling so depressed what is happening to Utd , they should sell for whatever they get all the deadwood young,hernandez,anderson,cleverly, M.keane, fletcher. They are not even performing for their futures. Heads should roll after this result. I think even in the academy there should be changes.

 

[bm_5]

I have to say, reading some of the comments in this thread (and on the board overall) really leaves me flabbergasted.

Especially when it comes to criticizing certain players and blaming them for the performance tonight. There's 3 or 4 posters in here who specifically name dropped Kagawa (and to a lesser extent Welbeck) and mentioned how tonight is the final nail in the coffin that he simply sucks.

Do people truly not have eyes? Do they really not see that for the first 20 minutes of the game our attack was held together by Kagawa? Did they not notice how we were on the front foot this whole time? Do they not see how Kagawa kept shape and made Welbeck and (more importantly) Hernandez work together? Welbeck had a few dangerous runs while Kagawa was on the pitch and even supplied a superb cross for Hernandez in a dangerous area only for the guy to wet his pants and fall over.

Also, these posters I mentioned, are they incapable of noticing how once Kagawa went off our attacking shape completely dissolved? We needed someone else to step up and no one did. All our attacks became irrelevant and furthermore, completely ruined by Hernandez which in turn also made Welbeck ineffective as no one was able to orchestrate anything anymore.

I'm just mesmerized by how some people can get so much "opinion" wrong by watching exactly the same game as myself.

If anything, tonight's "final nail in the coffin" has been for Anderson and Hernandez from the "senior" players and, in my opinion, for Michael Keane from the "juniors" (he's had terrible performances every time he's played in the senior team). It also proved that Januzaj is nowhere near ready to play as a No. 10. The difference in team performance between Kagawa led No. 10 and Januzaj led No.10 was day and night. Januzaj should be played as a winger, that's where he is damn good at (and a 4-3-3 type of system can't come fast enough for him, the current 3-5-2 system sadly has no room for his talents).

Are you really looking for good sense and a cold look at a United match at RedCafe? Just pack your bags mate, there's no point and believe me I've tried.

On a serious note, I agree with nearly everything you said, except Hernandez. He tried a little too hard to be a part of our buildup play because he could see we lacked something after Kagawa went off. That kept him away from the box. He did miss an unforgivable chance in the second half, but at that point we had surrendered completely.

I'll also add Jonny Evans to the list of horrible performances. How can people still think he's good enough to play for us? It boggles the mind.

 

[Arul]

Why is there always a debate between Mata and Kagawa fans? I will admit I am biased as I do like Kagawa, but I think most Kagawa fans are trying to say that having Kagawa in the team will help Mata play better, as it gives him a similar minded player to play off with. They both are clever and will create space for each other.

Sure, Kagawa performs much better in the No 10 role, which Mata has got cemented for himself...but that doesn't mean Kagawa just stands like a training cone when he plays on the left or a No 8. He moves with and without the ball, he plays short passes and moves into space, he keeps the ball moving forcing defenders to be dragged away from their positions. All that does not equal personal goals or assists, but it definitely makes Man Utd play much better as was seen in the few games Mata and Kagawa played together last season. I would include Janujaz in this setup too, as a winger, he is a smart player and uses the ball well when there is good movement.

So I don't get all this hate for Kagawa from the Mata fans...sure, Mata is a better player, proven in the Premier League, scores a lot of goals and gets assists...no one is denying any of that. All I am saying is that Mata, Kagawa (and Janujaz) on the same team will produce much better football than anything we have seen in the last 3 games.

Do Man Utd fans not like quick, clever football? Do they really think having Cleverly as a No 8 when Herrera is not playing is a better option than giving Kagawa a go there? Do they really believe having Nani on the left wing when we are looking for a goal produces more goal scoring chances than having Kagawa there? Do they really think playing Rooney and Hernandez together on top provides enough stretching of the play to open up defenses? That's 3 positions Kagawa could have played in the last 2 PL games without affecting Mata, which would have been huge improvements to what we actually had (personal opinion with hindsight of course...)

 

[Andre Kagawa]

Why is there always a debate between Mata and Kagawa fans? I will admit I am biased as I do like Kagawa, but I think most Kagawa fans are trying to say that having Kagawa in the team will help Mata play better, as it gives him a similar minded player to play off with. They both are clever and will create space for each other.

Sure, Kagawa performs much better in the No 10 role, which Mata has got cemented for himself...but that doesn't mean Kagawa just stands like a training cone when he plays on the left or a No 8. He moves with and without the ball, he plays short passes and moves into space, he keeps the ball moving forcing defenders to be dragged away from their positions. All that does not equal personal goals or assists, but it definitely makes Man Utd play much better as was seen in the few games Mata and Kagawa played together last season. I would include Janujaz in this setup too, as a winger, he is a smart player and uses the ball well when there is good movement.

So I don't get all this hate for Kagawa from the Mata fans...sure, Mata is a better player, proven in the Premier League, scores a lot of goals and gets assists...no one is denying any of that. All I am saying is that Mata, Kagawa (and Janujaz) on the same team will produce much better football than anything we have seen in the last 3 games.

Do Man Utd fans not like quick, clever football? Do they really think having Cleverly as a No 8 when Herrera is not playing is a better option than giving Kagawa a go there? Do they really believe having Nani on the left wing when we are looking for a goal produces more goal scoring chances than having Kagawa there? Do they really think playing Rooney and Hernandez together on top provides enough stretching of the play to open up defenses? That's 3 positions Kagawa could have played in the last 2 PL games without affecting Mata, which would have been huge improvements to what we actually had (personal opinion with hindsight of course...)

So much this. Do we know the status of Shinji btw? Is he out injured since yesterday?

 

[In Rainbows]

Kagawa should stay. He's a great back up to Mata. If Mata gets injured or has a bad run of form, Kagawa can fill in. Real, Chelsea, City, etc... all have great depth. If United want to get on that level, United need to keep players like Kagawa.

 

[squidoo]

I wonder what David May will say? It will be interesting as he is doing Thursday Focus with Jonny Evans missus.

Well no one mentioned it at the time but there were lots of other examples of Evans going local

 

[Brialad]

Crap

 

[coolredwine]

We lost to a team whose stadium name is stadium mk. feckinell!

 

[quackattack]

Why is there always a debate between Mata and Kagawa fans? I will admit I am biased as I do like Kagawa, but I think most Kagawa fans are trying to say that having Kagawa in the team will help Mata play better, as it gives him a similar minded player to play off with. They both are clever and will create space for each other.

Sure, Kagawa performs much better in the No 10 role, which Mata has got cemented for himself...but that doesn't mean Kagawa just stands like a training cone when he plays on the left or a No 8. He moves with and without the ball, he plays short passes and moves into space, he keeps the ball moving forcing defenders to be dragged away from their positions. All that does not equal personal goals or assists, but it definitely makes Man Utd play much better as was seen in the few games Mata and Kagawa played together last season. I would include Janujaz in this setup too, as a winger, he is a smart player and uses the ball well when there is good movement.

So I don't get all this hate for Kagawa from the Mata fans...sure, Mata is a better player, proven in the Premier League, scores a lot of goals and gets assists...no one is denying any of that. All I am saying is that Mata, Kagawa (and Janujaz) on the same team will produce much better football than anything we have seen in the last 3 games.

Do Man Utd fans not like quick, clever football? Do they really think having Cleverly as a No 8 when Herrera is not playing is a better option than giving Kagawa a go there? Do they really believe having Nani on the left wing when we are looking for a goal produces more goal scoring chances than having Kagawa there? Do they really think playing Rooney and Hernandez together on top provides enough stretching of the play to open up defenses? That's 3 positions Kagawa could have played in the last 2 PL games without affecting Mata, which would have been huge improvements to what we actually had (personal opinion with hindsight of course...)

I'll quote this post because it is a good post and I agree with everything, and it is really a good post!

 

[gorky_utd]

I think we can form a team for deadwood and call it deadwood XI. I'm sure it will have subs too!

 

[HarrowRed1988]

Why would Di Maria not play?

Makes sense to give the team that plaupyed last night another go

 

[Disheartenment U.C.]

Great post.

Back that, great post.

 

[FortBoyard]

12% saying 5-0 MK Dons? They're not THAT good people.

Reading through the first few pages of this thread.

Remembering the gentle laughing at our own mocking predicitons.

Then...

It actually happened.