Powell is no where near good enough to be in the first team at present. And none of Fletcher, Anderson, Cleverly, and Fellaini should still be here. We should sell of those 4 and this week buy a CB that is a leader and Vidal.We have Cleverley, Fletcher, Anderson, Fellaini, Herrera and Powell in midfield, but we still need another CM. Same applies to our defenders. How about selling 2 of them and buying a real CB?
Powell is no where near good enough to be in the first team at present. And none of Fletcher, Anderson, Cleverly, and Fellaini should still be here. We should sell of those 4 and this week buy a CB that is a leader and Vidal.
This is not to do with the system.
Does noone else think we need a new centre back? Really?
Yes I know we could do with a new central midfielder, and maybe more urgently, but there are plenty of those already under discussion. The market looks thin for defenders.
6 deals in 6 days - sadly we both know that although what you propose is sensible its just not going to happen in that time frame - especially with a game to fit in on the weekendPowell is no where near good enough to be in the first team at present. And none of Fletcher, Anderson, Cleverly, and Fellaini should still be here. We should sell of those 4 and this week buy a CB that is a leader and Vidal.
Ingo Martinez would be my top pick from Europe though if spurs would sell vertongen Id be happy with him as well
More realistic might be someone like Vlaar though with only a few days left in the window
Longer term Hummles is an obvious target as is Subotic - (if they wont sell hummles try them on subotic if he comes back injury free)
But right now I think switching to a back four where the players are more comfortable in their roles - certainly when we have rafael and shaw back at full backs might be the best option
just wanted to say that our CM options are atrocious, just like our defenders. We have quantity, but no quality and experience.
I would say Evans, Smalling and Jones still have potential with a good run of games ..... can you see that from Cleverley, Fletcher and Fellaini? Probably not. THAT ..... is the difference.
Unfortunately I agree. At least if we could get those 2 new ones in and demote the rest to the reserves then that would be something.6 deals in 6 days - sadly we both know that although what you propose is sensible its just not going to happen in that time frame - especially with a game to fit in on the weekend
How do we need one? People keep complaining about 352 wanting to move away from that yet want us to sign another defender which would more likely than not make us play 3 at the back for the rest of season.
We have Rojo, Evans, Jones and Smalling + Blackett and Keane (although Keane might not be a good pick this season). It's enough if we are going to play with two centre halves. We can obviously sign another experienced defender but then IMO we should sell Jones and Smalling because that'd clearly indicate that we don't trust them enough to play for us and at 25 Smalling should be more than ready to at least be given a chance, likewise Jones who despite being considerably younger still has lots of experience.
If we sign another defender IMO it's a season over as it means 352 and that's formation that isn't suited to this side or league at all, nevermind the fact we won't get anywhere near the best out of our €75m signing while using it.
Completely agree.just wanted to say that our CM options are atrocious, just like our defenders. We have quantity, but no quality and experience.
Miranda, Godin, Mussachio, Juan Jesus...
I'm convinced we should have went for de Vrij, as he would have slotted right in to the system.
Fazio, 8m release clause, worth a punt ahead of Spurs?
Ah... High hopes?That boat has already sailed.
High price for his age, high price and probably won't want the move, short and inexperienced, inexperienced and exactly the same position like Rojo.
De Vrij is also inexperienced. We have young CB in the team already. I'd rather go for Subotic or even Howedes.
We most definitely do. People are mistaking quality for quantity. All our defenders (ex. Rojo), at this moment in time, are all not good enough to start for United and are a reason why United are so shaky at the back.This is not to do with the system.
Does noone else think we need a new centre back? Really?
Yes I know we could do with a new central midfielder, and maybe more urgently, but there are plenty of those already under discussion. The market looks thin for defenders.
De Vrij is inexperienced. Yes he played in Holland and for the national team, but if you take a look at the Dutch league defences it's not a compliment or gained experience, the defence sucks there. It's a huge step from Feyenord to a club like United where at the current state he'd be expected to slot right in. Vidic and Evra had many issues coming to United and Evra for example had much more experience for Monaco at the time.De Vrij only cost Lazio around £7 million this summer - he has played over 150 times for feyenoord and 20 times for holland (rojo has played just over 130 games in his club career and has 28 caps) so not expensive or inexperienced (though a couple of years younger)- also he is right footed isnt he so not at all like rojo.
plenty of reasons to go for Rojo ahead of him - just none of the ones you mentioned
as for subotic - undoubtedly one of the best in the world pre injury - but has he even recovered from that yet?
Ah... High hopes?
Godin would be a high price, but that hasn't stopped us already this summer. Proven leader and top defender for club and country in his peak years. Something that we lack is a leader in defence and in Godin we would get that player. I'd easily have taken de Vrij, van Gaal has already stated that experience isn't necessarily judged by age but by personality and footballing brain. The fact that he thrived in a 3 man defence in Brazil shows that he could have slotted right into the system LVG planned on using with little teething problems. Could turn out to be one of the bargains of the summer for Lazio.High price for his age, high price and probably won't want the move, short and inexperienced, inexperienced and exactly the same position like Rojo.
De Vrij is also inexperienced. We have young CB in the team already. I'd rather go for Subotic or even Howedes.
what about Miranda or Godin? Godin would be hard to get, Miranda has a buyout clause of 30m euros too i think.
doesnt matter, potential wont get us far at this moment. We need proven quality, simple as that. The 3 of them could end up the same. Evans is totally lost at the moment, the other 2 still are a bit shaky.
Smalling, Evans, Rojo, Jones and Blackett will be sufficient enough this year, the club are putting a lot of faith in Smalling and Jones let's hope they step up, if not i can see us buying some next summer.
Also once Herrera get's settled, Carrick get's back and if we sign another decent CM our defence will be fine, our midfield does no favours to our defence at all at the moment.
Godin and Miranda I think will be reluctant for the move. They are near 30 years old and they have just played in a CL final and are in the competition this year and surely they will be next year, while we can't promise them that this year. They are in a good club with a terrific young manager and assured starting place. The only thing that could attract them is money and will really be a stop gap for us as next year we can go for Hummels or whoever.Godin would be a high price, but that hasn't stopped us already this summer. Proven leader and top defender for club and country in his peak years. Something that we lack is a leader in defence and in Godin we would get that player. I'd easily have taken de Vrij, van Gaal has already stated that experience isn't necessarily judged by age but by personality and footballing brain. The fact that he thrived in a 3 man defence in Brazil shows that he could have slotted right into the system LVG planned on using with little teething problems. Could turn out to be one of the bargains of the summer for Lazio.
How do we need one? People keep complaining about 352 wanting to move away from that yet want us to sign another defender which would more likely than not make us play 3 at the back for the rest of season.
We have Rojo, Evans, Jones and Smalling + Blackett and Keane (although Keane might not be a good pick this season). It's enough if we are going to play with two centre halves. We can obviously sign another experienced defender but then IMO we should sell Jones and Smalling because that'd clearly indicate that we don't trust them enough to play for us and at 25 Smalling should be more than ready to at least be given a chance, likewise Jones who despite being considerably younger still has lots of experience.
If we sign another defender IMO it's a season over as it means 352 and that's formation that isn't suited to this side or league at all, nevermind the fact we won't get anywhere near the best out of our €75m signing while using it.
Miranda, Godin, Mussachio, Juan Jesus...
I'm convinced we should have went for de Vrij, as he would have slotted right in to the system.
