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Clev >> Ando.Can't be much worse than Clev, surely...
At least he covers ground on the pitch.
Clev >> Ando.Can't be much worse than Clev, surely...
-----------------DeGea------------------------
---------Jones-Evans-Blackett------------
Valencia-----------------------DiMaria
-----------Fletcher-Anderson-------------
------------------JMata---------------------
--------- vPersie------Rooney--------------
I know it's a Waste of Di Marias qualities to put him there, but can't see him coming in instead of Mata or one of the strikers YET. If he does, it's a bold statement from LvG.
I know what you mean, it's hard to see us doing much with this midfield, unless it is some individual qualities from our 4 star players...I am more concerned about Anderson. Playing him means we are down to 10 from the kick off.
Damn right.Fully expect Generic English-Surname Midfielder #1 and #2 to dominate us tomorrow. You just know it's going to happen.
I wouldnt mind but seriously, look at that team. It should have no problem beating burnley.With the injuries, let the shitfest continue with Valencia/Young wide ...
----------------Dave--------------
------Jones----Evans-----Blackett
Valencia----Fletcher---Di Maria----Young
----------------Mata----------------
-----------Rooney----RVP----------
To be honest, the main difference with the 4-4-2 diamond and the 3-5-2 is that instead of having a central defensive midfielder, we have an extra centre back. I wouldn't be surprised if we did see a Herrera/ Di Maria partnership with one of the three centre backs instructed to drop in as somewhat of a very deep DMF(most likely Jones) when we don't have the ball and the four behind them reverting to a back four shape. It's all about the instructions they are given(ie. When he is there, you are here). It wouldn't be a problem going forward because Di Maria and Herrera are more than capable of handling that aspect. The two full backs in such a formation also play basically as wing backs due to the lack of width with the diamond. It's essentially the same formation and we may see the diamond where LVG just refers to it as a 3-5-2 in the same way as he also refers to a 4-2-3-1 as a 4-3-3(where the difference in them is that the two wingers are instructed to sit abit deeper more like attacking midfielders). This would make a lot of sense and would solve the problem of our midfield being too defensively open IMO. I definitely wouldn't put it past LVG to devise such a system.I agree with all that. Doesnt mean lvg will change it. Fwiw i dont think we will get another midfielder. I agree ADM in a midfield two is not good, but lvg is intent on the 352 being best overall. He said ADM may mean they can change the system, but he also said that this was a process. That means it will take time. Which is why i said itwill be here for a while, because lvg said it would.
Assuming no more purchases. If we went 433 ADM could be on the left of the cetre 3 as he wwas at madrid, but we do not have the wingers necessary to fill the two wide positions, lvg has already said that, ironically name dropping ADM as a winger for that system. So, we could put ADM on the wing in a 433, but then we do not have the midfielders for the 3 in the centre, we only have 4 cm's (assuming clev and ando go) that isnt deep enough squad to always use the 433.
If we get another midfielder this will probably change.
But we havent, we probably wont. So when i say this, its not because im acting as if i 'know what will happen' i'm just listening to what lvg has said on a number of occasions.
I suggest you do the same, stop clasping your hands over your ears shaking your head and muttering to yourself 'but the diamond...the diamond will work!.
Perhaps. However, one of lvg's love for 3 at back recently is not just to have roo/rvp/mata all play but it prevents the 'one on ones' with inexperienced centre backs. It could be that rojo will actually solve that, depends how highly he rates him.To be honest, the main difference with the 4-4-2 diamond and the 3-5-2 is that instead of having a central defensive midfielder, we have an extra centre back. I wouldn't be surprised if we did see a Herrera/ Di Maria partnership with the most central of the three centre backs instructed to drop in as somewhat of a DMF when we don't have the ball. The two full backs in such a formation also play basically as wing backs due to the lack of width with the diamond. It's essentially the same formation and we may see the diamond where LVG just refers to it as a 3-5-2 in the same way as he also refers to a 4-2-3-1 as a 4-3-3
Dare to ridicule them?
- 9% Burnley 5:0 Man Utd
I guess it's fair enough. I went for 5-0 the other way.Dare to ridicule them?
You make a good points and I agree as LVG has also said having 3 CB's also allows less space between them and thus less gaps to exploit. It's just a theory I had regarding how LVG would make the Herrera-Di Maria partnership more defensively secure as that's probably where Di Maria will best fit into and likely play in the 3-5-2 unless Mata is dropped. I thought maybe LVG didn't favour rafael and had Valencia as first choice but seeing as he has been confirmed as still injured, the jury is still out on that. Also I'm positive Shaw Will start ahead of Young when he is back too. Also if we are to have a back 3 of Jones, Smalling and Rojo I believe Rojo and Smalling would be very much capable of acting as part of a back four there if what I said has any truth to it. Bear in mind, Jones will also be very deep in this formation so the back 4 would have a good level of protection with him there, too. I've noticed he has come into quite an advanced position many times to defend(somewhat like a DMF) since we have implemented the 3-5-2 and perhaps that is under LVG's instructions. In theory it it will be a 3-5-2 but I'm sure LVG will have a lot of ideas and instructions drilled into the players that we don't even see and thus why it is taking them so long to get used to it. IMO I think that something like that, not neccessarily exactly how I imagine it however, would be the best way to make up for the problem of being overrun in the midfield defensively and even if I'm not right, there will be a little tweak in the system somewhere to address the problem in all likelihood. This is just my guess as to how it will work if we are to remain with it.Perhaps. However, one of lvg's love for 3 at back recently is not just to have roo/rvp/mata all play but it prevents the 'one on ones' with inexperienced centre backs. It could be that rojo will actually solve that, depends how highly he rates him.
The other issue with changing from 352 to a diamond are the personnel he has chosen as the wingbacks. Shaw and rafael would do well in a diamond as a more traditional wingback, however, with only 2 out and out cb's i cant see young and valencia doing a job as the 442 diamond wingbacks as they dont have the defensive aspect of the game.
As i say, any of these formations (442d, 4312, 433) i think are not only better, but they will be eventually what we adopt...but thats a 'process' and with all levels at utd training with 352, i dont see that process being a quick one
It should of beat Sunderland, but not played on paper unfortunately. Just hoping Di Maria adds a spark and high tempo/speed to the play rather than our slow side to side we've seen in the games so far.I wouldnt mind but seriously, look at that team. It should have no problem beating burnley.
That midifield will get over-run by Burnley. 2-0 to Burnley with that team.----------------DDG-----------------
--Valencia--Jones--Evans--Blackett--
---------------Fletcher--------------
--------Anderson----Mata-----------
--di Maria------------------Januzaj--
---------------Rooney---------------
3-0
Rooney x2, Januzaj
i know but just want to see di Maria on the fkn wingThat midifield will get over-run by Burnley. 2-0 to Burnley with that team.
I guess we could put Jones or Rooney in midfield instead of Anderson.i know but just want to see di Maria on the fkn wing
That's disgustingly bad. Also, it's not Ajax 433DDG
Valencia Evans Blackett James
Rooney Jones Di Maria
Wilson RVP Welbeck
Goodbye 3-5-2. No one likes it, players or fans. Hello Ajax 4-3-3.
2-5 Man Utd.
Would it be such a shock though?Would it be a shock if we lose this one as well?
rojo cant play and mata is injured i think. 5 goals is a bit high a number too. Good luck on your prediction though.
Should we go out like this, I predict a high scoring smashing in our favor. Our defence will let it slip a couple of times and we may even see ourselves going down first, but we'll just outscore them. Which is the philosophy I think we should adapt throughout the entire season. It's clear we're doing nothing to the extent of signing a world class CM or CB, so we should just do what Liverpool did last season. Our defence is no less garbage and our offence is no less class. We should focus on outscoring our opposition, rather than tiki-taka and outplaying them.
If that's the approach we take today, I predict a 2-5 our way, maybe even higher, say 3-5 or 2-6.
Or something along those lines.4 or more goals total definitely.
Mata is injured? You better be kidding meBut
rojo cant play and mata is injured i think. 5 goals is a bit high a number too. Good luck on your prediction though.
I don't think Rojo is eligible to play just yet, but other than that I like this line up. Could seriously do some damage to Burnley.
Should we go out like this, I predict a high scoring smashing in our favor. Our defence will let it slip a couple of times and we may even see ourselves going down first, but we'll just outscore them. Which is the philosophy I think we should adapt throughout the entire season. It's clear we're doing nothing to the extent of signing a world class CM or CB, so we should just do what Liverpool did last season. Our defence is no less garbage and our offence is no less class. We should focus on outscoring our opposition, rather than tiki-taka and outplaying them.
If that's the approach we take today, I predict a 2-5 our way, maybe even higher, say 3-5 or 2-6.
Or something along those lines.4 or more goals total definitely.
But
rojo cant play and mata is injured i think. 5 goals is a bit high a number too. Good luck on your prediction though.
Think he meant Herrera thereMata is injured? You better be kidding me
That's the most ridiculous team I've seen.DDG
Valencia Evans Blackett James
Rooney Jones Di Maria
Wilson RVP Welbeck
Goodbye 3-5-2. No one likes it, players or fans. Hello Ajax 4-3-3.
2-5 Man Utd.
Link to reliable source that Mata is injured?But
rojo cant play and mata is injured i think. 5 goals is a bit high a number too. Good luck on your prediction though.
No news about it anywhere.Mata is injured? You better be kidding me
He resumed training earlier this week and it's implied he'll be available for today.Think he meant Herrera there
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