Great to finally have those statistics. Where did you get the stats from?
Lionel Messi
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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With respect to moving around a lot players dont have to be constantly moving to be effective. If for example Messi walks 10 meters to one side and drags a defender across to cover him he has made space for himself from where he just came from. The key is his acceleration and feint to win that space when he goes for it. With his brilliant ball control once he gets a hint of space to recieve a ball then there isnt much defenders can do to stop him receiving. People often mistake a lack of constant movement with a lack of effectiveness.
Shame he can't juggle his taxes.
The most complete player I have ever seen. Will tell my kids and grand kids about how special he was. (If I have kids in the future)
I still don't see how people can compare Ronaldo to him never mind actually call him better. There is no comparison to be made Messi is just at another level than any player I have ever seen.
Ronaldinho in his prime was probably the closest player to being as good as Messi that I can think of.
I still don't see how people can compare Ronaldo to him never mind actually call him better. There is no comparison to be made Messi is just at another level than any player I have ever seen.
Ronaldinho in his prime was probably the closest player to being as good as Messi that I can think of.
Loved Ronaldhinio. He was such an entertainer but Messi is conformably superior. He does everything Ronaldhinio did just without the trickery but with ridiculous goalscoring.
Te most complete attacking player he is, but for complete footballers you need to look in central midfield department.
I can't find the originating site. With Google not using Spanish news sites anymore (due to a change in Spanish law) it's difficult to follow the trails at the moment.
This Marca article talks about it.
http://www.marca.com/2014/12/23/futbol/equipos/barcelona/1419344899.html
Graphic for the whole team at:
http://www.marca.com/2014/12/23/multimedia/graficos/1419326456.html
Surely to be the most complete player (or attacker) you'd need height, jumping, heading ability, strength, two feet, shot power on top of what Messi already has. Don't get me wrong, Messi is the most talented footballer ever in my eyes but as for the most complete player ever, it has to be the man who's name is already on the Ballon D'or this year.
I thought complete would also include defensive capabilities too?
Most complete is a bit meaningless anyway. No one cares whether a player is 'complete' until they're trying to argue that they're better than another player.
Cheers mate. Didn't know they stopped showing up on google too? Wow, that is some disheartening figures from Messi though. Zlatan set a record in being lazy pretty much when Guardiola had bullied him and froze him out of the team(according to Zlatan) and he went out and ran 6.08 km in 62 minutes - meaning Messi is now averaging a joke figure.
Zlatan was publicly slated by everybody and for good reasons for that performance as he didn't even try, so it is a bit shocking to see Messi is actually averaging even less.
The most notorious one for Messi was against Atletico in the CL QF defeat last year with a 6.8km.Cheers mate. Didn't know they stopped showing up on google too? Wow, that is some disheartening figures from Messi though. Zlatan set a record in being lazy pretty much when Guardiola had bullied him and froze him out of the team(according to Zlatan) and he went out and ran 6.08 km in 62 minutes - meaning Messi is now averaging a joke figure.
Zlatan was publicly slated by everybody and for good reasons for that performance as he didn't even try, so it is a bit shocking to see Messi is actually averaging even less.
The ones this season aren't as significant (to me) as the fact that he seems to have recovered his top speed and acceleration. He's getting enough done in his 8km to contribute, it's the rest of the Barca team who need to step up.
Messi with the ball at his feet in the final third is most likely the most dangerous thing ever in world football, but the reason why I still hold Zidane and, to a degree, Ronaldinho in higher regard is their influence all over the pitch. At times with those two it seemed like there were two or three of them on the pitch.
Always difficult to talk about Messi, he's clearly one of the very best in the world even if he's among the laziest footballers I have ever seen going off this season. I've said that before this season after almost every game but I didn't think he'd average less than Zlatan's historically lazy performance - that is incredible.
Hopefully he returns to his electric days, it would be great to see him performing near his peak levels again.
I agree with this completely.
Also agree with this.
Messi has scored 23 goals for Barcelona this season (La Liga 15, UCL 8):
Right foot: 11
Left foot: 10
Head: 2
Strange that he is mistaken to be very one-footed. His right-footed chip goals are famous I thought.
In terms of "shot power":
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He's also the "strongest" player in footballing terms in my opinion. Optically he might not have huge muscle masses and consequently he might not win a fist fight against Ronaldo but on the pitch in terms of staying on his feet and evading challenges which is the relevant strength attribute for a footballer he's the #1. Who else does this?
I'm sure if the ref wasn't so quick to give the FK he could have dribbled the remaining two defenders and have a 1v1 duel with the keeper.
Sorry, what? Ronaldo is the most complete player ever?
Genius. He's so obviously the best on the planet. Who else does shit like that?Messi has scored 23 goals for Barcelona this season (La Liga 15, UCL 8):
Right foot: 11
Left foot: 10
Head: 2
Strange that he is mistaken to be very one-footed. His right-footed chip goals are famous I thought.
In terms of "shot power":
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He's also the "strongest" player in footballing terms in my opinion. Optically he might not have huge muscle masses and consequently he might not win a fist fight against Ronaldo but on the pitch in terms of staying on his feet and evading challenges which is the relevant strength attribute for a footballer he's the #1. Who else does this?
That is your opinion but could Ronaldo play a CM if he was asked to do so and create for his team? Messi can play any where in midfield and attack and still get motm awards.
Ronaldo is a pure goal scorer he lacks a lot of things in his game. Messi can play in tight spaces still hold onto the ball and score from out of no where. Ronaldo's best attribute is his finishing. If you think Ronaldo is the most complete player ever you really need to stop watching football.
Ronaldo's influence on games over 90 minutes is just non existent at times, the guy has played in 3 CL finals and had poor games in all of them even though he scored in his first final for United he was no where to be seen on the pitch.
Its the speed in which his adjusts his feet to keep his balance. His balance is outrageous.Messi has scored 23 goals for Barcelona this season (La Liga 15, UCL 8):
Right foot: 11
Left foot: 10
Head: 2
Strange that he is mistaken to be very one-footed. His right-footed chip goals are famous I thought.
In terms of "shot power":
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He's also the "strongest" player in footballing terms in my opinion. Optically he might not have huge muscle masses and consequently he might not win a fist fight against Ronaldo but on the pitch in terms of staying on his feet and evading challenges which is the relevant strength attribute for a footballer he's the #1. Who else does this?
As I said above, I believe Messi is undoubtedly the better of the two, but I think your statement above is false. Ronaldo played very well in his first CL Final for us. In addition to his goal, I remember him running Essien ragged, who played right back.
Just a little sidenote on that, Messi's fairly short at 5'7" but he weights 148lbs. For comparison, at his peak, George Best was around 5'9" and 143lbs.
No one ever thought George was a lightweight. In fact in most reminiscences he'll be the player who'd happily take any alleged hardman on, play on muddy pitches with waterlogged footballs, and still come out on top. Messi might not be very tall but he's certainly physically strong enough and tough enough to take almost anyone on and that "low centre of gravity" really does help rather than hinder when he's in a tight spot.
Ok so 1 decent game and 2 mediocre games in 3 finals, Certainly u expect more from a player who people are calling better than Messi?
and u are judging Ronaldo purely on goals, there is a lot more to games than scoring a few tap ins and penalties.
Let's just appreciate Messi in here
Upsessed? I didn't even start this debate i came in here to only talk of Messi and someone else quoted me talking about Ronaldo. Ronaldo is a poacher upsessed with scoring goals and always wants the spotlight. His whole team is built around him to get goals he can go invisible for large parts of games and contribute very little to his team.
Thats my opinion on Ronaldo and it wont change i have watched enough of him to see how he plays. When things dont go his way he starts to throw his toys out of the pram and blames his team mates. He is a very good player but not on Messi's level and never will be.
Ronaldo does have the talent to change games on his own but i have barely seen him do that in the last few years, the first goal against Liverpool is an example of this, he started the play and finished it very well it was a really insane goal but like i said i haven't seen enough of that from him and i think people over rate him because he has an amazing goal scoring record.
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Are we signing the little genius? Come on Woody
He needs £500m to be tempted to leave Barcelona according to the sun. Not sure how that works out in terms of wages, 5 year contract so that's almost £2m pound per week.
I mean if you are going to make up a figure at least make it reasonable.
Those are great. Thank you for taking the time to make them and post them.
Amazing, thank you @Cait Sith
Quoted from 2008 - do you revise your opinion Brwned? Hehehe.
Somehow we fail to score on many 1-on-1 chances. Happened a lot this season.
That's why I find it pointless comparing any footballer I've seen to him. Not only has he broken records with his goal scoring, and been on a different level as a ribbler, his passing is just ridiculous. Cant think of a better creative passer in the game.
He is/was about 5 assist away from being the all time La Liga top assister too. He assists at a rate thats just as incredible as his scoring. Weird thing is, none of the pundits ever seem to talk about his assisting...
It's not just assists though. It's the quality of passing. He pulls off these ridiculous passes, bang-on the perfect spot time after time. You don't even need stats to see it. It's like that pass he played at the world cup.
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