Dread Pirate Roberts...a real life Heisenberg (kinda)

LeChuck

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So, as I've recently finished Breaking Bad, this news story has really captured my imagination.

A man named Ross Ulbricht has been arrested as the criminal drug trafficker mastermind named as 'Dread Pirate Roberts' for the black market website 'Silk Road'.

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An undercover agent told a court on Wednesday that within a few minutes of watching Ross Ulbricht enter a California library, the moniker of Dread Pirate Roberts — the alleged mastermind of an online marketplace for illegal drugs called Silk Road — flashed to life on his computer screen.

Posing as one of the support staff members of Silk Road, the agent sent a private internet message asking Dread Pirate Roberts, or DPR, to “check out one of the flagged” messages on a forum tied to the website.

When DPR replied “OK which post?” signalling he had logged in, agents with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, already inside the Glen Park library, approached Mr Ulbricht and arrested him, the New York court heard.

We were “trying to get him online as Dread Pirate Roberts in the marketplace,” testified Jared Der-Yeghiayan, the special agent with the Department of Homeland Security who had gone undercover. Authorities, working on a lead they had gleaned a few weeks earlier, say they matched Mr Ulbricht, a 30-year old living in San Francisco, to DPR, the mastermind they had been tracking quietly for nearly two years.

Prosecutors with the US attorney’s office in Manhattan have charged Mr Ulbricht with operating a global marketplace where heroin, hacking services and fake passports were sold. Prosecutors allege that more than $200m of illegal goods were sold using an anonymous web browser and Bitcoin, an untraceable virtual currency.

Mr Ulbricht’s lawyer has conceded that Mr Ulbricht created Silk Road as an “economic experiment” but said he had relinquished control to unnamed others who acted as DPR. Mr Ulbricht became the “fall guy” once DPR learned authorities were closing in, the lawyer said on Tuesday. He will begin questioning Mr Der-Yeghiayan on Thursday.

Mr Der-Yeghiayan was the government’s first witness in the closely watched criminal trial. He described a two-year investigation that began in late 2011 with suspicious drug-filled envelopes seized at O’Hare International Airport in Chicago and led them through a “dark” marketplace to the San Francisco area that afternoon in October 2013.

Mr Der-Yeghiayan testified that he took over several accounts on Silk Road as the result of interviews or arrests of users, including one in late July 2013 under the name Cirrus. As Cirrus, the agent became a support employee for the website and was paid $1,000 a week in Bitcoins for monitoring chat forums. He testified that he reported to DPR.

Prosecutors showed online postings to attempt to prove that DPR was in control of the website. They showed the jury a January 2012 message where DPR discussed setting new commission rates, drawing the ire of some users on the site, and another where he writes “who knew a softie could lead an international narcotics operation. But yea, I love you guys.”

Still, as late as mid September 2013, nearly two years after the discovery of the envelopes at O’Hare, Mr Der-Yeghiayan had not known the identify of DPR. After receiving a tip from an agent with the Internal Revenue Service working on a drug task force that month, he said Mr Ulbricht “looked like a pretty good match”.

That set in place an arrest plan to track Mr Ulbricht to a public setting where authorities could initiate an online chat with him logged in as DPR. Agents in street clothes swarmed the California neighbourhood laying in wait.

With just 22 per cent battery power left on his laptop, Mr Der-Yeghiayan testified he watched from a bench across the street from the library. Mr Ulbricht, wearing a small shoulder bag, left his home, crossed the street and entered a café that was too crowded, causing him to head to the library.

Within minutes, DPR’s named flashed “available” on Mr Der-Yeghiayan’s laptop screen. After the quick exchange, a signal was given, Mr Ulbricht was arrested and the agents had seized his laptop.

The trial continues.
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Profile: Ross Ulbricht
Philanthropist or criminal?

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A geeky tech entrepreneur and philanthropist — or the criminal mastermind behind a multimillion-dollar online drug trading operation? These are the two contrasting versions being presented of Ross Ulbricht, the 30-year-old who has been accused of creating and running the Silk Road online marketplace, whose trial began in New York this week. At the opening of the trial on Tuesday, Mr Ulbricht’s defence lawyer Joshua Dratel said that while his client had created the Silk Road website as an “economic experiment”, he then turned it over to an anonymous individual known only as “Dread Pirate Roberts” who ran the illegal site.

Source: Financial Times

The sting operation was very clever to catch him out.
 
Catching people who setup ways to ship heroin is a pretty good use of police time to be fair.

Heroin? the non-toxic chemical? Did you know heroin is completely harmless to your body? (pretty much similar to morphine)

Governments should regulate the market, just like they've done with more dangerous drugs like alcohol, tobacco, mcdonald, etc.
 
Heroin? the non-toxic chemical? Did you know heroin is completely harmless to your body? (pretty much similar to morphine)

Governments should regulate the market, just like they've done with more dangerous drugs like alcohol, tobacco, mcdonald, etc.
Yeah, they should, but they should also stop people who sell drugs probably made in someones shed. And can you imagine how much tax this wanker was avoiding?
 
Heroin? the non-toxic chemical? Did you know heroin is completely harmless to your body? (pretty much similar to morphine)

Governments should regulate the market, just like they've done with more dangerous drugs like alcohol, tobacco, mcdonald, etc.

Yes. Heroin is very harmless. Don't bring out some bullshit argument that likely hinges on a technicality. Guns are also non-toxic and harmless unless you shoot someone with one but it's not a good idea to let people have access to those either.
 
Yes. Heroin is very harmless. Don't bring out some bullshit argument that likely hinges on a technicality. Guns are also non-toxic and harmless unless you shoot someone with one but it's not a good idea to let people have access to those either.
If heroin was made to the same standard as say, alcohol, it wouldn't be anywhere near as tragic as it. But then, unregulated alcohol isn't as dangerous as unregulated heroin, so I could be chatting shit.

Are there any stats on heroin deaths before it become illegal?
 
If heroin was made to the same standard as say, alcohol, it wouldn't be anywhere near as tragic as it. But then, unregulated alcohol isn't as dangerous as unregulated heroin, so I could be chatting shit.

Are there any stats on heroin deaths before it become illegal?

how many people have died because of marihuana? 0... still illegal in majority of countries.

But Fast food or tobacco, that kills millions every year, perfectly legal.

Its not like governments does always what is best for you, but what its best for them and the big corporations.
 
A man named Ross Ulbricht has been arrested as the criminal drug trafficker mastermind named as 'Dread Pirate Roberts' for the black market website 'Silk Road'.

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That's not Ross. That's Chandler.
 
how many people have died because of marihuana? 0... still illegal in majority of countries.

But Fast food or tobacco, that kills millions every year, perfectly legal.

Its not like governments does always what is best for you, but what its best for them and the big corporations.

Big Corporations would probably love legal drugs since they could help set the laws up so that pretty much they are the ones who get to sell most of them.
 
He sounds like a bit of a fantasist to be honest - paying people to "kill" for him.
 
how many people have died because of marihuana? 0... still illegal in majority of countries.

But Fast food or tobacco, that kills millions every year, perfectly legal.

Its not like governments does always what is best for you, but what its best for them and the big corporations.

Depends on what constitutes death... driving when drunk and killing oneself/another is directly linked to alcohol related deaths. Drugs would apply under this category too, i.e. marijuana.

I don't care if marijuana is legalized across the US but some act as though it's an innocent drug, when fact is marijuana alters the chemical balances in a human's brain, and can lead to addiction and cause mental health problems.

Once the big corps get in on the marijuana business things will change, if not already (states are loving the tax windfall).
 
Curiouser and curiouser.

Heisenberg/Dread Pirate Roberts has implicated Gus/Mark Karpeles the founder of a Bitcoin currency exchange.



The Silk Road trial took a dramatic turn this week when the defense implicated the CEO of notorious Bitcoin exchange Mt. Gox, Mark Karpeles as being the real Dread Pirate Roberts and mastermind behind Silk Road.

The attorney of the accused Ross Ulbricht, Joshua Dratel stated on Thursday that Mark Karpeles may have been the real man behind the online black market. “We have the name of the real mastermind and it’s not Ulbricht,” he said before implicating Karpeles.

Karpeles has since denied any involvement in Silk Road, sending an emailed statement to Motherboard saying: “I have nothing to do with Silk Road and do not condone what has been happening there.”

“The investigation reached that conclusion already—this is why I am not the one sitting during the Silk Road trial,” he added.

Dratel raised the issue when questioning Jared Der-Yeghiayan, a Homeland Security agent that was involved in the Silk Road investigation. Dratel quoted emails written by Der-Yeghiayan that said he believed Karpeles was involved in the site.

Der-Yeghiayan is alleged to have said that the investigation had “a wealth of evidence to prove that [Karpeles] is Dread Pirate Roberts”.

“[Silk Road] would be a device for leveraging the value of Bitcoin, and if he could create a site independent of Bitcoin, you could control the value of Bitcoin,” said Dratel, supposedly reading from emails that the Homeland Security official wrote.

Outside of court Dratel said of Karpeles: “Our position is he set up Mr Ulbricht,” according to a report from The Guardian.

Karpeles was the CEO of what was once the world’s largest Bitcoin exchange, Mt. Gox, which infamously went bust after an alleged hacking attack, leading the exchange to filing for bankruptcy with millions of dollars lost belonging to customers.

The allegation throws a spanner in the works for the prosecution as the Ulbricht and his defense are attempting to create reasonable doubt over who the real Dread Pirate Roberts.

When the trial commenced Ulbricht admitted that he did in fact start the Silk Road but was not the infamous Dread Pirate Roberts and had not overseen the string of illegal trading that took place there.

The trial continues to add new layers to a case that was already unique. After the jury was selected, it became clear that the members would need everything broken down into easy to digest pieces of information, such was the weight of technological lingo at play, whether it’s Silk Road, Tor, or Bitcoin and how the whole thing operated.

Judge Katherine Forrest has adjourned the case for the week and will recommence on Tuesday, where we are expected to hear more from Jared Der-Yeghiayan.
 
So, as I've recently finished Breaking Bad, this news story has really captured my imagination.

A man named Ross Ulbricht has been arrested as the criminal drug trafficker mastermind named as 'Dread Pirate Roberts' for the black market website 'Silk Road'.

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The sting operation was very clever to catch him out.

Hummels looks weird without facial hair.
 
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Story Highlights
  • DPR trasncript with Hells Angels
  • Appears to show DPR arranging 5 hits
  • Read out in court by the prosecution on Monday

Yesterday evening, the prosecutors in the ongoing Ross Ulbricht case rested. Before doing so, however, a member of the team read out a long document that – on the face of it – appears to show Dread Pirate Roberts (Ulbricht? Karpeles? Someone else…?) Arranging the assassination we have read so much about in the media running up to the trial.

Now, the transcript that the prosecutor read out to be released, and it’s fascinating. From a third-party point of view, it does indeed look like DPR attempted to arrange not one but five hits on various, unnamed individuals. As a bit of background perspective, the conversation appears to be between DPR and a representative of the Hells Angels, during which DPR attempts to persuade the Hells Angels to sell large amounts of drugs on Silk Road, while also conceding that he wouldn’t mind being helped out with the blackmail situation (the situation that – supposedly – sits as the reason behind the hit).

Here are some of the highlights:

Redandwhite 3/25/2013 10:00: I was asked to contact you. We are the people friendlychemist owes money to. He tells us that you owe him money and a long boring story about some of this and some of that. As far as we are concerned – we gave him the product. Where it went and how does not matter. We hold him and him only responsible for the missing product/money.We don’t care if you stole it from him/borrowed it from him or anything. It was his responsibility to pay for it. He asked me to contact you anyways. What did you want to talk to us about?

Dread Pirate Roberts 3/26/2013 18:27: Sorry for the delayed response and thank you for getting in touch. We’ve had some technical difficulties the past 24 hours I’ve had to deal with. Just to be clear, I do not owe him any money, but he has told me his situation and wants my help…friendlychemist aside, we should talk about how we can do business. Obviously you have access to illicit substances in quantity, and are having issues with bad distributors. If you don’t already sell here on Silk Road, I’d like you to consider becoming a vendor.

Redandwhite 3/26/2013 20:08: That is interesting. How much is it possible to sell on here if we listed every product far cheaper than everyone else? We have a majority hold over most of the movement of products in western Canada (one of the main drug ports to North America)… We produce LSD/nBome/Ketamine/MDMA/Meth/GHB and import cocaine and heroin in massive bulk amounts…As it stands right now, there are people looking for him and since he has avoided our group, I’m not sure what will happen since he owes us money and is avoiding us.

Dread Pirate Roberts 3/27/2013 23:38: In my eyes, FriendlyChemist is a liability and I wouldn’t mind if he was executed, but then you’d be out your $700k. I don’t think he is going to come up with the money because he seems very desperate. I’m not sure how much you already know about the guy, but I have the following info and am waiting on getting his address:


Blake Krokoff

Lives in an apartment near White Rock Beach

Age: 34

City: White Rock

Province: British Columbia

Wife + 3 kids

Let me know if it would be helpful to have his full address.


Redandwhite 3/28/2013 9:01: Also, we have kidnapped friendlychemists partner Xin already and are on the hunt for friendlychemist.


Dread Pirate Roberts 3/28/2013 16:59: I understand, and that is great news about Xin.

Dread Pirate Roberts 3/29/2013 22:55: Hi again R&W…Blake (FriendlyChemist) is causing me problems…I would like to put a bounty on his head if it’s not too much trouble for you…


Redandwhite 3/30/2013 00:42: We usually tend to stay away from hits as they are bad for business and bring a lot of heat…As of right now, we don’t care about him because we retrieved more from Xin than what he took from us, and he also paid for it with his life…Usually we pay our hitters a percentage of what the person owes +/- how much they can retrieve.


Dread Pirate Roberts 3/30/2013 1:55: If you can find his location, that may be enough for me to scare him off. He is trying to blackmail me. Just let me know what you need to make this worth your while.


Redandwhite 3/30/2013 21:48: Price for clean is 300k+ USD Price for non-clean is 150-200k USD depending on how you want it done. These prices pay for 2 professional hitters including their travel expenses and work they put in.


Dread Pirate Roberts 3/31/2013 8:59 : Don’t want to be a pain here, but the price seems high. Not long ago, I had a clean hit done for $80k.


Redandwhite 3/31/2013 23:02: I received the payment. I appreciate the offer if bitcoins lower in value. We know where he is. He’ll be grabbed tonight. I’ll update you.


Redandwhite 4/1/2013 22:06: Your problem has been taken care of. They seized a bunch of stuff he had with him at the time as well.


There is much, much more, and it goes on to reveal DPR questioning Redandwhite about another 4 members, and then apparently paying 500K USD to have them killed. You can read the full transcript here.



The conversation closes as follows:

Redandwhite 4/15/2013 10:11: That problem was dealt with. I’ll try to catch you online to give you details. Just wanted to let you know right away so you have one less thing to worry about.

Fascinating, no? This looks to really incriminate whoever was involved so now I guess it comes down to whether defence have done enough to offer up reasonable doubt as to the actual identity of DPR.


More and more Heisenberg-y.

I'll stop updating this thread now.
 
This is a little easier to follow.

The basics of the story were reported more than a year ago, after Ross Ulbricht, whom the government accuses of being DPR, was arrested in San Francisco. But today the jury saw the story develop in the words of DPR and the users with whom he interacted.

“These are not normal ppl”
It began in mid-March of 2013, when a user named FriendlyChemist started frantically trying to get a direct line to the Dread Pirate Roberts. Before long, DPR responded. FriendlyChemist explained that a Silk Road seller he worked with, lucydrops, had become non-responsive—at a very bad time.

" am lucydrops supplier," FriendlyChemist wrote. "i lent him 900k of product and he paid be [sic] 200k and then he started avoiding me...what is the deal? where is my money? why is lucydrop still selling when i kno [sic] for a fact that he has no product because i supplyed [sic] him."

FriendlyChemist made a threat to the site's anonymity. " also have the identities of 9 top vendors and 15 smaller vendors and 1000s of customers," he told DPR. "i don't want any trouble but i want my money...i'm scared for my family because of the money i owe." He was at the middle of the drug food chain, not the top; and the people he owed money to frightened him. "[T]hese are not normal ppl."

DPR reached out to lucydrop, telling him about the contact. Turned out lucydrop had been arrested, and soon DPR was corresponding with a user named RealLucyDrop, who said that he'd been arrested and cheated by his former partner. "FriendlyChemist was our middleman to one of our LSD distributors," said RealLucyDrop. "He is demanding I pay him for some deal he had with my partner when I was in jail."

Dread Pirate Roberts didn't show any interest in giving into that demand. "I need his real world identity, so I can threaten him with violence," DPR told RealLucyDrop.

"I don't know how I feel about that solution," said RealLucyDrop. In a later message, he explained that FriendlyChemist had good reason to be scared. "He is freaking out because he truly believes his life and his family's life is in danger," wrote RealLucyDrop. "The people he borrowed the product from are a big criminal organization in Canada (Hells Angels—not sure if you are familiar with them)."

"There's no way I will be handing over cash to somebody who threatens me and this community," wrote DPR. He wanted RealLucyDrop to hand over FriendlyChemist's identity. "Don't bother messaging me again if the message does not contain his personal info...I won't be blackmailed."

DPR got basic information, although not the exact address. FriendlyChemist was a 34-year-old man who lived near Vancouver with a wife and three kids.

RealLucyDrop added that with FriendlyChemist out of the picture, he'd lose his income—and he wouldn't mind being on Silk Road's payroll as an admin. "I could really use some sort of job as my partner completely fecked me over," he told DPR. "I've always been loyal to you, and loyal to the movement."

New business partner
Later, a user named "redandwhite" got in touch with DPR, explaining that his group was the one owed money. "We hold him [FriendlyChemist] and him only responsible for the missing product/money."

"In my eyes, FriendlyChemist is a liability and I wouldn't mind if he was executed, but then you would be out your $700k."

DPR was solicitous. "FriendlyChemist aside, we should talk about how we can do business," he wrote. "Obviously you have access to illicit substances in quantity, and are having issues with bad distributors."

"That is interesting," responded redandwhite. "We have a majority hold over most of the movement of products in Western Canada (one of the main drug ports to North America)...I've looked around your site and the prices are absolutely absurd."

It's already known, of course, that the story will go further. Prosecutors have said DPR asked for redandwhite to kill FriendlyChemist, and ultimately four other people as well. But that will have to wait for Monday, when the government will likely conclude its case. Testimony for the day ended at 5:00pm sharp.

Since no murders actually are known to have taken place related to Silk Road, it's not clear who DPR is really talking to in the chats. Is "redandwhite" at the heart of a major drug network or a clever scammer? The chats about to be entered into the record may get us closer to an answer.
 
It's pretty mental. But even this thread demonstrates how people seem to have an odd disconnection from internet criminality, like it's somehow an almost imaginary playground persuit. Stealing on the internet is not really stealing. Selling drugs on the internet is not really pushing. Ordering assasinations on the internet...well, you'd think the police would have more important things to do to be honest. Innit.

Though it does say in the expanded article..

the prosecution admitted in court that the purported victims of the Silk Road killings were never found, and that Canadian police couldn’t even locate records for anyone with their names.

So who knows whats going on. I think it's just as likely he was being scammed again by that account.
 
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I'm mainly bothered that I've never heard of "nBorne". That makes me feel horribly old and out of touch. Won't be long before I see a documentary about "cake" and think it's an actual drug.
Had never heard of it either. It's 12 years old and was only properly banned in the UK 7 months ago, had been on a 12 month temporary class drug order. Anyway, it's probably a type-o or poorly converted text-to-pdf or something like that as it's called NBOMe. I've seen m turn into r and n and vice verca before.
 
It's pretty mental. But even this thread demonstrates how people seem to have an odd disconnection from internet criminality, like it's somehow an almost imaginary playground persuit. Stealing on the internet is not really stealing. Selling drugs on the internet is not really pushing. Ordering assasinations on the internet...well, you'd think the police would have more important things to do to be honest. Innit.

Though it does say in the expanded article..

So who knows whats going on. I think it's just as likely he was being scammed again by that account.

Yea-true. I suppose it's the whole faceless aspect of the net.
 
How can he be found guilty of killing someone that they don't even know existed? Or is DPR ordering the hit enough, thinking he was real?

Surely they'd be able to find out who the victims are if it was real, knowing the small amount of facts they do?
 
How can he be found guilty of killing someone that they don't even know existed? Or is DPR ordering the hit enough, thinking he was real?

Surely they'd be able to find out who the victims are if it was real, knowing the small amount of facts they do?
That's a separate trial which is still going on. Today's verdicts were about drug distribution via silk road.
 
That's a separate trial which is still going on. Today's verdicts were about drug distribution via silk road.

Ahh, I see.

Just reading through the full transcripts now. Reads like a bored teenager has made them up.

"Rest easy though, because he won’t be blackmailing anyone again. Ever."

"We destroyed everything we seized from him, but I kept a text file that was named “blackmail.txt” that had a ton of addresses in it like the other text files. Since you mentioned that he was trying to blackmail you with that information, I kept that text file in case you needed it. If you don’t need it, let me know and I will destroy it.
I also have the picture with me. A question before I send it to you. I am not extremely good with all this anonymity computer operations, but I know that pictures store GPS information and the likes that police can use in evidence. Is it safe to send it over here like that? We took care of him at one of our safe houses so that worries me a little."

Really?
 
Yeah, they should, but they should also stop people who sell drugs probably made in someones shed. And can you imagine how much tax this wanker was avoiding?

As someone who has used Silk Road I found it to be a god send for the very reason that it has reviews on all its vendors and so if someone says their drugs are pure and they aren't someone with a testing kit will put up a bad review and that vendor will lose business. The vendors on there were much more reliable than your average dealer for that reason. Much safer.