The number 11 on the right hand side's reaction to the body slam is great. Just like my reaction when I first saw this!
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What's with the english thuggish school of strikers? Vardy, Barnes, Davies have the same type of annoying playing style.
If you can't beat a man, beat a man down.
Makes yet another mockery of the FA Respect campaign. Noone can respect the officials when they make decisions like that.
So Chelsea are appealing the red card.
I totally aggree that it's a disgrace that Barnes wasn't sent off, but I don't see how they have any grounds to appeal Matic's red.
I totally aggree that it's a disgrace that Barnes wasn't sent off, but I don't see how they have any grounds to appeal Matic's red.
Unfortunately I don't either, but Barnes should be punished for what was a despicable tackle. I don't blame him for his reaction. He pushed Barnes over, Barnes could have snapped Matic's leg.
But you have to agree that he did more than just "leave his foot in". He could have snapped Matic's leg there. I would have gone mental as well if that tackle had been on me and the ref turned a blind eye to it.
Chelsea are an embarrassment with all these appeals. I think they genuinely do think there's a campaign against them ffs.
Barnes should be punished retrospectively but that's nothing to do with Matić. If anything it makes it tougher to argue that Matić didn't lose control.
Barnes should be punished retrospectively but that's nothing to do with Matić. If anything it makes it tougher to argue that Matić didn't lose control.
That bothers me. Players like Young dive a few times and get bombarded with criticism and then denied genuine penalties off the back of it while players like Kevin Davies get a sympathy cap (during which, he gets fecking booked).
I'd rather have someone fall over to get a free or wave their hands about to get me booked then almost break my leg.
Completely agree with this sentiment. He has the ball, makes a standing pass and is falling back when he makes the connection. Matic came in late and his leg went where Barnes' was already going. If it was anywhere near as bad as Matic made it out to be he wouldn't have been jumping off the ground.
You don't just hit a pass then suddenly withdraw your leg. That one vine clip totally alters the reality of what happened
Indeed. The argument seems to be "its ok to lose your head under severe provocation" which can't be right.
They grounds are that Matic's reaction, in context of the situation, was not worthy of a red.
It not about saying "it's OK", it's about saying a red card and three match ban is an excessive punishment.
Any bets on a 4 match ban for Evra?
Come on. You don't believe that. Barnes should get a retrospective ban for it and should be out for his next three matches but Matic's reaction, which would seem right for us, was not something that can be condoned for a professional footballer playing at the highest level. If that precedent is set then we would see a lot of rash reactions to players who perceive they have been fouled repeatedly but are not getting anything from the referee. I know these are two different cases but the precedent set would be wrong.
He pushed him. He didn't punch, kick, butt or spit. Red for Barnes, yellow for Matic.
What a load of nonsense. If you get punched and you punch them back you can't argue about a ban. This is the same thing. Matić committed a red card offence, therefore Matić deserves a ban. Simple as that.
Not aimed at you Bob, you are a sensible poodlian.
But it just became so funny reading it without thinking about you being the poster, but a random rawker.
It all depends on the circumstances. I am pretty sure that - at least legally - there are situations where you'd be not punished for an act of revenge. (At least in Germany if you get hit, you can hit back - but you have to do it quickly! Otherwise it would count as a calculated and not as an emotional reaction.)
The appeal itself is mandatory because they have to bring the matter to the FA and push them. I am quite sure that they could make a case which would sound all to reasonable.
It amounts to the same thing. His actions were deserving of a straight red and that means a three game ban. What went on before should be irrelevant.
I think that Chelski are right to appeal to be fair. Hard not to lose your shit after somebody tries to break your leg (and apparently Barnes was being a cnut the whole match) and gets completly away with it, not even saying sorry or something.
I as well think that the panel will tell them to feck off.
I as well think that the panel will tell them to feck off.
You're not talking about a "legal" issue here. This is not a person coming under an unprovoked or sustained assult or fearing for their lives. It was a bad tackle in a competative game of football. Something which happens all the time.
There are rules in football which every player knows and is aware they need to abide by. They're there to keep players safe, and also to protect football as a spectacle. The referee is there to run the game, not the players and he was rightly sent off for losing his temper. Those are the rules and they have been applied properly.
The last thing the FA will want is to give players any justification for behaving badly. There is no exception in the rule book and that's that. He should take his punishment, admit he lost his cool and move on. Any sort of softening by the FA will result in spurious appeals every other week when players aregue that they were provoked by name calling, or a bad tackle/off the ball incident twenty minutes earlier. It opens up a total can of worms.
You must be the only person who sees that kind of situation all the time.
Maybe, maybe not. Rules are always interpreted. To clarify that an appeal is the proper way to go.
And it should be that way because the standard of refereeing has been abysmal for quite some time. Everything else would be denying a serious problem.
No matter which way you dress it up (I fully understand Matic's reaction) its violent conduct, end of story.
There's millions of examples of players shoving another (for various reasons) and it not being deemed "violent conduct".
Again, it can be interpeted differently. Violent conduct implies the use of excessive force or brutality.
You could argue that his reaction was neither brutal nor excessive (during normal game time such a push wouldn't be penalized with a red card).
Indeed. I'll be flabbergasted if there is no charge brought against him.
But context isn't relevant. Provocation has never been an excuse. And Matic's actions, taken as they must be in isolation, are clearly worthy of a red card.
Was this not during "normal game time"?
Anyway, I don't know what planet you watch football on, but yes it would be penalised with a red card in the vast majority of occasions (ie other than when the ref gets it wrong).
It was way more than just a shove - he hurls himself at the player, arms legs and everything, and floors him. Understandable? Yes. But that doesn't get him off the red.
I'm sorry, you're right regarding the game time!
Context is always relevant.
Personally I can't tell whether it's intentional or not and when you watch it at full speed It seems even harder.
FA has decided to take no action against Ashley Barnes in order to minimize re-refereeing.
Feck that respect and everything....
Feck that respect and everything....
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What's the grounds for appeal? The other guy should be banned too but isn't so therefore the punished player shouldn't be punished? I'm sick of these appeals by Chelsea, Matic should get an additional game ban for such a frivolous appeal.
Spot on. He won't, but he should.
That was Mourinho's reaction after Mikel's dirty tackle on Arteta last season, also accused us crying about the incidents afterwards. Imagine the reaction if Wenger had gone on a TV show to further complain....
Lets be honest it was more than the usual shove you see in most games, IMO of course. Should have been a red for Barnes as well
This is Mou and Chelsea, we know this, its his MO
Context of the situation is irrelevant. Matic completely lost control, charged at a player and pushed him over. The reasons why he did that, unless it was in genuine self-defence or protecting someone else, do not matter.
The Burnley player was passing the ball not tackling, right ?