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Magnus

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All rumours flying around and I´m excited as everyone but this is my dreamteam (realistic) for next season to go for everything:

De Gea
Clyne Smalling Hummels Shaw
Di Maria Herrera Verratti Bale
Rooney Lacazette
 
I don't think we have been linked with Verratti at all. PSG will never sell him
 
That would go under the silliest transfers of all time if PSG sold Verrati to us unless we offer crazy and when I say crazy I mean Crazy money. He has the potential to become the best midfielder in the world.
 
A flat 4-4-2 with those two in CM wouldn't work. As fantastic as they both are.
 
It's good but its not quite carling. I don't see a flat 4-4-2 working.
 
In regards to Verratti, although a super, super player, if Pogba goes to PSG in the Summer, they could potentially cash in on him. They'll then have the French midfield, with Pogba, Matuidi and Cabaye.
 
So you have 2 creative midfielders who are better for their attacking play in CM and 2 wingers who don't really do much defensively? This isn't Fifa you know...

Any "realistic" lineup would be a 4-3-3 because that's what we're going to use with Van Gaal as manager. Silly to think otherwise really.
Anyways, mine is:
De Gea
Clyne Smalling Hummels Shaw
Carrick
Herrera Gundogan
Mata Rooney Di Maria
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Second 11: Valdes; Valencia Jones McNair Rojo; Blind Pereira Fellaini; Young Van Persie Depay
 
DDG
Valencia Hummels/Smalling Rojo Shaw
Carrick
Herrera Gündoğan
Di María Rooney Bale/Depay
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Ambitious in some areas, but my word that's a pretty formidable team.
 
Van Gaal doesn't like a flat 442, I'm pretty sure we'll never see it under him.

And as mentioned above, Verrati isn't leaving. PSG are in it for the long run and he's one of their best young players in an older squad, they will have no intention to sell him. If we were to go for him he'd probably cost an arm and a leg so they can buy Pogba.
 
My team would be;

------------De Gea
Valencia Smalling Stones Shaw
---Schneiderlin
Herrera--- Pogba​
---Dybala Rooney Di Maria
 
----------------De Gea--------

Clyne--- Smalling --Hummels ---Shaw
-----------------Carrick--------------
------Herrera------------Gundogan
---Bale----------------------------Depay
-------------------RVP-------------
 
Reckon Van Gaal might want to go with something like:

De Gea
Howedes - Smalling - Jones - Shaw
Carrick
Bale - Gundogan - Rooney - Di Maria
Martinez
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Keeper

Clyne Smalling Hummels Shaw

Carrick

Mata/DiMaria Gundogan Herrera Depay

Rooney​
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Reckon Van Gaal might want to go with something like:

De Gea
Howedes - Smalling - Jones - Shaw
Carrick
Bale - Gundogan - Mata - Di Maria
Rooney
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I'd be very surprised, that midfield would be so slow we'd get killed and isn't Howedes a CB who can play LB?
 
DDG
Clyne Smalling Jones Shaw
Carrick
Herrera Schneiderlin
Mata Rooney Di Maria

Valdes
Valencia McNair Rojo Blind
Pearson
Pereira Fellaini
Januzaj Wilson Deepay

Third choice options: Johnstone, Thorpe, Young, RvP/Ings​
 
----------------------Lloris-----------------------
--Clyne--------Smalling--Hummels-------Shaw--
-------------Gundogan----Schniederlin-------------
------Di Maria--------Rooney-----------Isco--------
-----------------------Van Persie--------------------

I think a De Gea swap for Isco could be alright, We need a guy who can dribble in tight spaces and unlock defences.
 
De Goat

Darmian Smalling Hummels Shaw

Carrick Herrera

Mata Di Maria Depay

Rooney​

Subs: Valdes, Jones, Rojo, Blind, Gundogan, Fellaini, striker
 
Devil may care said:
I'd be very surprised, that midfield would be so slow we'd get killed and isn't Howedes a CB who can play LB?
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To be honest, I'd be very surprised if we got Stones, Pogba, Dybala and Schniderlin, but it's just what I think.

The midfield wouldn't be vastly different to what we're playing now. I mean, Gundogan presses just as well, if not, better than Herrera, and has better defensive qualities, and Mata is pretty quick too. However, I think being quick isn't important. It certainly helps, but when you're a team that presses high and only need to run say 5 yards to close a player down, then it's not a big issue. I mean, Xavi, Busquets and Iniesta weren't exactly the quickest midfield ever, but they were part of arguably the best pressing team ever.

That said, I edited my team because I really have a feeling Van Gaal will want to play Rooney as a 10/second striker, as we know he likes to play his CAM close to the striker when in possession of the ball.

As for Howedes, he's a CB, who can play, both RB and LB, but seeing as he's right footed, I can imagine he's much more comfortable on the right. As we said about Ivonovic, Howedes could cover for Smalling at RCB when injured/rested, whilst Valencia goes RB.
 

Scuffet
Darmian Smalling Hummels Shaw
Gundogan Sneijderlin Herrera
Di Maria Dybala Memphis
​
 
First XI:
De Gea
Clyne - Laporte - Hummels - Shaw
Carrick - Herrera - Pogba
Bale - Rooney - Di Maria​

Second XI:
Valdes
Jones - Smalling - Rojo - Blind
Schneiderlin - Gundogan
Mata - Fellaini - Depay
van Persie​

Third XI:
Lindegaard
Varela - McNair - Thorpe - Young
Pearson - Pereira
Lingard - Januzaj - Nani
Wilson
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It's on. :drool:
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
To be honest, I'd be very surprised if we got Stones, Pogba, Dybala and Schniderlin, but it's just what I think.
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Oh yeah, I thought the whole thread was just going for what we'd like to see looking at a lot of the players listed.

The midfield wouldn't be vastly different to what we're playing now. I mean, Gundogan presses just as well, if not, better than Herrera, and has better defensive qualities, and Mata is pretty quick too. However, I think being quick isn't important. It certainly helps, but when you're a team that presses high and only need to run say 5 yards to close a player down, then it's not a big issue. I mean, Xavi, Busquets and Iniesta weren't exactly the quickest midfield ever, but they were part of arguably the best pressing team ever.


That said, I edited my team because I really have a feeling Van Gaal will want to play Rooney as a 10/second striker, as we know he likes to play his CAM close to the striker when in possession of the ball.
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Different league though and they had the ultimate forward line of pace and dynamism helping, we wouldn't have that with the forward line you listed, even in the edit, I mean Jackson Martinez is nearly 29 and has no pace and isn't overly mobile. Gundogan also does not move like he used to, he'd slow our pressing game down compared to Herrera ands at this point genuinely looks a better fit for the deeper Carrick role. I fear you might be right about Rooney though, I hate him in the role but I can see LvG doing it and it will cost us.

As for Howedes, he's a CB, who can play, both RB and LB, but seeing as he's right footed, I can imagine he's much more comfortable on the right. As we said about Ivonovic, Howedes could cover for Smalling at RCB when injured/rested, whilst Valencia goes RB.
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Fair enough, I'd only seen him play as a LB and CB and only well as the latter, he's too slow to play FB on either side IMO. Of course you know my views on Jones so we wont rehash.
 
------------------------Lloris-----------------------
NotClyne------Smalling--Hummels--------Shaw--
--------------------Schniederlin---------------------
---------Herrera----------------Gundogan----------
Mata------------------Rooney------------------Bale

Subs - De Gea, Jones, Rojo, Blind, Fellaini, Januzaj, Dybala
 
IgnorantLobster said:
DDG
Valencia Hummels/Smalling Rojo Shaw
Carrick
Herrera Gündoğan
Di María Rooney Bale/Depay
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Ambitious in some areas, but my word that's a pretty formidable team.
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:drool: that's pretty much what our team will look like next season, except we won't be signing Hummels imo
 
Unfortunately, you cannot expect to consistently field a version of 4-4-2 and succeed in the Premier League without the presence of a dedicated defensive midfielder who can shield the back four, break down counterattacks, and soak up the opposition pressure in central areas. You look at teams in the top third-ish who employ a similar system, and without exception they have a player of that ilk in the starting XI - Chelsea with Matic, City with iterations of Fernando and Fernandinho, Arsenal with Coquelin, Tottenham with Mason/ Bentaleb sitting deep.

A double pivot with Herrera and Verratti would be droolworthy from an offensive standpoint, but severely flawed. The basic principle of having a strong setup, is that you need to put your best players in favorable positions in order to extract the maximum out of them. Neither Herrera nor Verratti is suited to the role suggested in the OP. Their strengths are kind of overlapping - and include creativity, passing in short spaces, dribbling ability which kind of necessitates a more offensive role as a #8 or hybrid #10 in a 3 man midfield. Or at worst, the more attacking half of a double pivot alongside a vacuum type player like Bender or Krychowiak.

Sure, both Ander and Verratti can contribute defensively, but the prime reason Verratti is so successful at PSG, and Ander is emerging at United - is in part due to the presence of a Motta or Matuidi to the former and Carrick for the latter - players who bring a greater degree of balance to the midfield. Shackling Herrera and Verratti to a more defensive role would kind of negate their attacking qualities, and it wouldn't be the best idea.

Since the trainer coach isn't the biggest admirer of a 4-4-2 either, it would be more prudent to have a 4-3-3/ 4-5-1 with Verratti and Herrera sharing 8 duties, and someone like Carrick or Kondogbia sitting further back as the screen. That would be more balanced from a defensive standpoint, plus both of them would have a greater license to fully express their creative talents.
 
Attila said:
------------------------Lloris-----------------------
NotClyne------Smalling--Hummels--------Shaw--
--------------------Schniederlin---------------------
---------Herrera----------------Gundogan----------
Mata------------------Rooney------------------Bale

Subs - De Gea, Jones, Rojo, Blind, Fellaini, Januzaj, Dybala
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Sorry, what?
 
Devil may care said:
Oh yeah, I thought the whole thread was just going for what we'd like to see looking at a lot of the players listed.
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Be nice, but doubt we'll get all of those players, if any.


Devil may care said:
Different league though and they had the ultimate forward line of pace and dynamism helping, we wouldn't have that with the forward line you listed, even in the edit, I mean Jackson Martinez is nearly 29 and has no pace and isn't overly mobile. Gundogan also does not move like he used to, he'd slow our pressing game down compared to Herrera ands at this point genuinely looks a better fit for the deeper Carrick role. I fear you might be right about Rooney though, I hate him in the role but I can see LvG doing it and it will cost us.
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League doesn't matter because they did it to English teams in the CL too. Also, having a dynamic forward line does not matter neither when you haven't got your midfielders pressing behind. That said, Di Maria and Bale press well enough and are very dynamic.

I just named a striker, but it could be anyone. Maybe Benteke? I don't know. I just think Van Gaal will get a striker because I think Van Gaal can see Rooney scoring up to 15 plus goals from the number 10 position. I mean, he's been doing it for the past 4/5 years.

Can't say I've watched him much recently, but I can't he's as bad as you're making out. Regardless, I think he still has better defensive qualities than Herrera.

Devil may care said:
Fair enough, I'd only seen him play as a LB and CB and only well as the latter, he's too slow to play FB on either side IMO. Of course you know my views on Jones so we wont rehash.
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Not any slower than Ivanovic, who does a great job for Chelsea at FB.
 
I will have a go. The first XI....

-----------------DDG-----------------
Clyne----Smalling---Hummels----Shaw
-------------Schneiderlin-------------
Mata----Herrera----Gundogan---Depay
---------------Rooney-----------------


The next XI....

---------------Valdes--------------
Valencia----Jones----Rojo------Blind
---------------Carrick---------------
Januzaj----Pereira-----Fellani--Young
---------------RvP-----------------


Five new signings and I think we can compete in EPL and CL. Thoughts?
 
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Kill 'em all said:
Rejecting the Madrid offer and letting him rot on the bench for a year? :lol:
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He will learn that United are a club that doesn't mess around and it will earn his respect. He will then sign a new 5 year contract and we sell Lloris.
 
bosnian_red said:
So you have 2 creative midfielders who are better for their attacking play in CM and 2 wingers who don't really do much defensively? This isn't Fifa you know...

Any "realistic" lineup would be a 4-3-3 because that's what we're going to use with Van Gaal as manager. Silly to think otherwise really.
Anyways, mine is:
De Gea
Clyne Smalling Hummels Shaw
Carrick
Herrera Gundogan
Mata Rooney Di Maria
​
Second 11: Valdes; Valencia Jones McNair Rojo; Blind Pereira Fellaini; Young Van Persie Depay
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I think that's as good as it's gonna get.
 
------------De Gea----------
Fabinho-Smalling-Rojo-Shaw-
------------Carrick---------
-----Herrera---Kondogbia
Di Maria--------------Depay
----------Rooney----------

Sub: Valdes, Jones, Valencia, Blind, Naiggolan, Januzaj, Martial.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Be nice, but doubt we'll get all of those players, if any.
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Most likely true, but I am not sure Gundogan and Bale are anymore likely in truth.

League doesn't matter because they did it to English teams in the CL too. Also, having a dynamic forward line does not matter neither when you haven't got your midfielders pressing behind. That said, Di Maria and Bale press well enough and are very dynamic.

I just named a striker, but it could be anyone. Maybe Benteke? I don't know. I just think Van Gaal will get a striker because I think Van Gaal can see Rooney scoring up to 15 plus goals from the number 10 position. I mean, he's been doing it for the past 4/5 years.

Can't say I've watched him much recently, but I can't he's as bad as you're making out. Regardless, I think he still has better defensive qualities than Herrera.
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The dynamic forward line makes it harder for the team you are pressing against as Barca swarmed in packs, two groups of three buzzing around, for that you need pace and energy, Bale is not a pressing player, it is one of the reasons he is getting so much heat at Real, a lack of workrate. another thing about having that forward line is that it offers more room for your weaker midfield on the ball as teams are frightened to push to high up onto you as they become vulnerable to the ball in behind. In fairness though mate that Barca team was pretty unique, an exception to the rule rather than the rule, that had 3 players at their absolute world class peaks at the same time.

Well if we are going to play Rooney as a #10 we might as well get a Benteke or a Lacazette as we'd need a quality starting #9, can't say I'm a fan of that at all though.

I watch a lot of Dortmund as I have enjoyed them for the last few seasons and Gundogan was my dream CM buya long with Vidal a couple of years ago, the new Scholes and Keane lol. Trust me when I say he does not move anywhere like he used to, his passing and technique is still there but he kinda ambles around the park, the dynamic edge is not present like it is with Herrera.

Not any slower than Ivanovic, who does a great job for Chelsea at FB.
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He looks slower and not as good technically as Ivanovic to me, but lets be honest mate, we are gonna end up with Clyne no matter how many solutions we can come up with, of all the players we are linked with I see him as sadly the most nailed on.
 
-----------valdes---------
-----smalling--hummels----
Clyne--------------------shaw
------------Carrick------------
-----Herrera-----gundogan---------
Mata-------------------------di Maria
------------rooney--------------------

Keeper, jones, blind, Fellaini, januzaj, depay, RVP

Nailed it
 
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friendlytramp said:
-----------valdes---------
-----smalling--hummels----
Clyne--------------------shaw
----------gundogan------------
-----Herrera-----mata---------
Di Maria------------------depay
--------------rooney------------

Nailed it
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Yes because Mata in central midfield is going to work out great for us.
 
Magnus said:
All rumours flying around and I´m excited as everyone but this is my dreamteam (realistic) for next season to go for everything:

De Gea
Clyne Smalling Hummels Shaw
Di Maria Herrera Verratti Bale
Rooney Lacazette
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Attila said:
I don't think we have been linked with Verratti at all. PSG will never sell him
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JR10 said:
That would go under the silliest transfers of all time if PSG sold Verrati to us unless we offer crazy and when I say crazy I mean Crazy money. He has the potential to become the best midfielder in the world.
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The only way we are getting veratti is if we include di maria as part of the deal (which i wouldn't be opposed to....Veratti is that good)
 
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