Would you take Tevez back now?

[Phil]

Why would you want to do that? Can't see what interest is left after that.

Yeah it was badly worded wasn't it..

I try and remain logical with a view to ensuring the best interests of the club? I try not to take much personally as it's all business?

Long day, on my phone, I don't know.

 

[RoyoftheRavers]

Loved him here but then he went to City and rightly became a hate figure. So not a fecking chance in hell.

 

[Bwuk]

I'd rather bring back Berba on a free.

Tevez can do one. Great player but a complete arsehole.

Surprised Chelsea aren't after him if I'm honest!

 

[Globule]

I would take him if he was just a former player we sold.
I would even take him if he was a former player that just left us to join City.
But he's a former player who joined City, has been completely disrespectful to our club, former manager and former players since leaving and has also shown himself up with attitude issues at subsequent clubs and is past his best.

In a word: No.

 

[JUPITER]

Take your pick either one should rule player out from ever playing for us.

Racially abusing a player is bad enough let alone the fact that he abused one of ours.

Are you really trying to say you would happily overlook their behaviour and have Tevez but especially Suarez at United?

I agree with this, particularly on the racism. But I think if you're gonna take that stance you have to go all the way with it.

Those people who wouldn't take a player on ethical reasons wanna have a look at the club's (increasingly long) sponsor list because there are companies and corporations on there who, morally speaking, are bankrupt.

For goodness sake, we're in bed with a fecking American automobile company! Morally speaking, singling out individual player's seems a secondary priority.

If you're basically gonna put the morals to one side regarding huge, looming global corporations and adopt the "oh feck it, I just wanna enjoy the football" stance (as basically we all do) then why not sign Suarez?

I certainly can't see any moral issue with signing Tevez.

 

[Utd7]

He shouldn't have left in the first place. But at this moment, no. If we get a striker this summer, I would like to see a younger player.

 

[Galactic]

He'll play backup to Rooney. Doubt he'll be keen on that idea. Again.

 

[noodlehair]

I never hated him. I always thought of him as too stupid/clown like to be considered responsible for his own actions. Like when he disappeared for half of City's season in order to play golf, then came back and did a golf celebration when he scored.

I wouldn't have him back now though. Well I would compared to what we've got, but I'd fear he's reaching the same sort of age bracket where the sharpness disappears and doesn't come back.

Was definitely a mistake letting him leave the same time as Ronaldo though. Though not convinced we'd have had a say in it anyway.

 

[Striker10]

The guy couldn't speak English, what makes anyone actually think he can read it? He's so stupid, he thought he was doing us a favor singing for City rather then Liverpool. Of course he was wrong and he probably regrets it but what can you do? I think he would have stayed if we didn't sign Berbatov and I want to be fair to him because I saw an interview when he was at United. He knew Rooney was our number one striker and when you sign Berbatov for the money we did? There was no chance. I think it's a shame and I would have played him in the European cup final but it's history now.

We didn't see the best of him and we probably wouldn't have. If he was available, it's a non brainer because he'd be cheap, has another 2 good years in him and would give us good options.

 

[Rood]

Yes.

My love for United, or football for that matter, hasn't diminished over the years, but my emotional attachment to players has been on a steady decline to indifference since I left adolescence.

feck it. People have moved around rivals in Italy, Spain and Germany for years...as long as your team is the one benefitting currently, I'll forgive all manner of presumed disloyalty...people forget how young and dumb most players are. If we held the kind of grudges we do for football in the real world we'd have lost most of our social circle by 35.

you just like being a contrary cnut!
regardless of his past disloyalty (which is enough for me to make a decision) - he has proven on more than 1 occasion that he can be a cancer to team spirit and doesnt give a feck about his teammates or the club he plays for.

a player like this has no place in a Van Gaal team - he demands team players to work to his specific system and train hard every day, as has been documented on many occasions, Tevez is not that kind of player. Plus he is past his best anyway.

So whichever way I look at it, this is not a player I want to see back at OT and I seriously cant understand why anyone would.

 

[stevoc]

I agree with this, particularly on the racism. But I think if you're gonna take that stance you have to go all the way with it.

Those people who wouldn't take a player on ethical reasons wanna have a look at the club's (increasingly long) sponsor list because there are companies and corporations on there who, morally speaking, are bankrupt.

For goodness sake, we're in bed with a fecking American automobile company! Morally speaking, singling out individual player's seems a secondary priority.

If you're basically gonna put the morals to one side regarding huge, looming global corporations and adopt the "oh feck it, I just wanna enjoy the football" stance (as basically we all do) then why not sign Suarez?

So because we're sponsored by a car company it's ok to sign a racist? Bit of a stretch that did i miss something?

I certainly can't see any moral issue with signing Tevez.

I can he's a cnut.

 

[stepic]

No chance in hell

 

[Enigma_87]

To be fair you never specified in the last two years....Disappearing off on a several month golfing holiday/Toddler tantrum whilst his side is struggling in Europe and involved in a title challenge is about as far from being a team player as its possible to be.

Look, we all know how shit his personality is and that he's a dumb as a brush, but no one can question his footballing abilities.

He probably has 2-3 years at the top level and that would be his last crack at winning titles. I think given the current status of our attack he'll be the best option on the team sheet. On the pitch he has acted as a pro(most of the time). If we can use him in his current form, sentiments aside, he'll be beneficial for us in a lot of games. Fergie is gone and now it's LvG who probably can work with him.

It's all very small as a chance to ever come back given his age now and his probable value, but when I see a chance that the club would benefit I'm all up for it as long as on the pitch the player gives it all, same goes for Ronaldo, Pogba or whoever else left us for some other club.

What about his row with Mancini? The fact is you can't trust him cause he's a little shit.

aye it's a gamble as we all know but that can be said for a lot of players in the past, like Ibra.

 

[crimsonife]

He's quality, and nobody can argue with that. But after the fiasco he's caused we'd be better off finding another striker. Plus the fact he'd just add another aging striker to our lineup.

 

[slir32]

Top player loved him on the pitch for us but his a prick. So no.

 

[Invictus]

This is interesting. Don't think I've seen someone include a goalie in their formation before!

On topic, no. It's not just the disrespecting but also the age, as per the post quoted (see I didn't actually also quote you for a real reason!).

From the man himself :

"It's always dependent on the players involved, but everybody knows the system I prefer is 1-4-3-3 with a No.10 or No.6 player behind the strikers. It's dependable of the quality of the players, but also of the opponent," Van Gaal said, as quoted by the Manchester Evening News.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/manchester...rred-4-3-3-system-upturn-teams-recent-1493767

 

[Maroo]

Why is Tevez even looking to leave Turin?

 

[RedRonaldo]

Feck Tevez he can go feck himself

 

[dsch]

To be honest, I don't even remember all that clearly why we hate him. Do not want.

 

[Mockney]

you just like being a contrary cnut!.

Not at all.. (well yes, obviously, but thats not my reasoning)...I just dont get why people get so wound up by footballers. It's daft. You genuinely wouldn't be able to function in life if you held your real world associates to same standards of loyalty and behaviour you expect from your team's players in their early 20s. And like @noodlehair said, I always saw him as more simple than disloyal anyway. He seemed genuinely surprised about all the hate when he first returned. He was just a bit of an idiot.

I also don't think he's been a "cancer" anywhere apart from that one point at City, particularly. At West Ham, us and Juve he's was an exemplary team player on the pitch. Which is all that matters.

 

[Skills]

I'd be all in for a 2 year deal and then he can leave back for Argentina at the end of it. 2 years seems to be his limit at a club anyway.

 

[The Black Pearl]

Loved him here but then he went to City and rightly became a hate figure. So not a fecking chance in hell.

If he came back it would all be forgotten about the first time he rattled the net for us and that's just the way football rocks these days.

I'd have him back, no bother. He's a grafter, a finisher and the type of player we should never say no to.

 

[Rood]

Not at all.. (well yes, obviously, but thats not my reasoning)...I just dont get why people get so wound up by footballers. It's daft. You genuinely wouldn't be able to function in life if you held your real world associates to same standards of loyalty and behaviour you expect from your team's players in their early 20s. And like @noodlehair said, I always saw him as more simple than disloyal anyway. He seemed genuinely surprised about all the hate when he first returned. He was just a bit of an idiot.

I also don't think he's been a "cancer" anywhere apart from that one point at City, particularly. At West Ham, us and Juve he's was an exemplary team player on the pitch. Which is all that matters.

Not true - he was on international exile for several years and missed the last WC as a result of falling out with the manager. He's been a trouble maker at several points in his career (TBF a lot of that is to do with his agent and contracts) plus I remember comments from Rio talking about how Tevez wasnt really arsed in training, so we are hardly talking about a model pro as you make out!

To me it is pretty normal to hold your team's players to different standards than you would with associates in the 'real world'. But regardless of his off the pitch behaviour, there are plenty of footballing reasons why Tevez would be a terrible fit at United right now. As I said already, he just is not the type of player who will match the Van Gaal philosophy, hes just too thick really.

 

[Clas Sified]

Normally, I don't kind signing cnuts if they're good enough. However Tevez is a true thundercnut, and the way he left us for City and his RIP Fergie sign have left a sore taste in my mouth.

Simply put, Carlos can do one.

 

[Lay]

Not true - he was on international exile for several years and missed the last WC as a result of falling out with the manager. He's been a trouble maker at several points in his career (TBF a lot of that is to do with his agent and contracts) plus I remember comments from Rio talking about how Tevez wasnt really arsed in training, so we are hardly talking about a model pro as you make out!

To me it is pretty normal to hold your team's players to different standards than you would with associates in the 'real world'. But regardless of his off the pitch behaviour, there are plenty of footballing reasons why Tevez would be a terrible fit at United right now. As I said already, he just is not the type of player who will match the Van Gaal philosophy, hes just too thick really.

How is he too thick for LVG's philosophy?

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Really surprised at how much he is hated in here.

 

[PeteManic]

Atletico would be a great move for him. But why would he want to leave Turin? Juve will be dominant there for a few more years and will always get the CL qtr finals. I know salaries are lower in Italy than other countries but surely he's realised that his happiness and sanity is more important than mega bucks.

 

[stevoc]

Atletico would be a great move for him. But why would he want to leave Turin? Juve will be dominant there for a few more years and will always get the CL qtr finals. I know salaries are lower in Italy than other countries but surely he's realised that his happiness and sanity is more important than mega bucks.

Why is Tevez even looking to leave Turin?

He never stays anywhere long his owner/agent likes to keep moving him about to make more £££.

He only stayed at City for a few years because they forced him to, he was putting in transfer requests within a year there then refusing to come on and going awol for months to try to force a move.

Yeah he's a real professional.

 

[Maroo]

He never stays anywhere long his owner/agent likes to keep moving him about to make more £££.

He only stayed at City for a few years because they forced him to, he was putting in transfer requests within a year there then refusing to come on and going awol for months to try to force a move.

Yeah he's a real professional.

Yeah, professional! I can't see why posters want to entertain the thought of going in for him

 

[Rood]

How is he too thick for LVG's philosophy?

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Really surprised at how much he is hated in here.

Read this thread about the types of forward who do well under LvG, Tevez does not fit the bill: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/lvg-and-strikers.405618/

Tevez is not the type to rigidly follow a team gameplan - he's more the footballing maverick who needs freedom to do as he pleases (which is why he has fallen out with several managers), he doesnt have the discipline to be a Van Gaal player.

 

[Varun]

Berba wanted to leave after winning the golden boot, SAF assured him that he was in his plans for next season. Then proceeded to not play him at all the whole season. The same was done to tevez as well, where he was automatically dropped for berba and didnt get a chance despite out performing him till the end of his contract.

Sir Alex didnt let Berba go because we didnt need the 18mil and we werent sure how we'd deal without him. If we'd got a top striker in, he'd have been sold. One has to be ruthless to be at the top.

Tevez wasn't anything special during the end here. 4 goals in the carling cup dont mean much. Berba was the new striker and was always going to be given more of a chance.

 

[diarm]

No thanks

Look how happy he is ffs.

Jesus I never saw this. I heard about it obviously but never actually saw the picture.
Cannot comprehend how anyone could want him back after that. I don't understand what supporting a football club is to some people.

 

[Raoul]

Read this thread about the types of forward who do well under LvG, Tevez does not fit the bill: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/lvg-and-strikers.405618/

Tevez is not the type to rigidly follow a team gameplan - he's more the footballing maverick who needs freedom to do as he pleases (which is why he has fallen out with several managers), he doesnt have the discipline to be a Van Gaal player.

All true, although Di Maria seems to have a similar improvisational flair about him as well.

 

[Lay]

Jesus I never saw this. I heard about it obviously but never actually saw the picture.
Cannot comprehend how anyone could want him back after that. I don't understand what supporting a football club is to some people.

That banner isn't wishing death on Fergie. Not sure why people think that, it was in reference to Ferguson saying United will never be underdogs to City 'in his lifetime'. Tevez apologised anyway:

"I got carried away in the excitement of the moment and I certainly didn't mean any disrespect to Sir Alex Ferguson, who I admire as a man and a manager."

 

[Raoul]

A tasteless/tactless incident for which he has apologized. Juventus did very well by taking him off City's hands and wound up getting two leagues and a CL final out of him. He's still got a good year or two left in his tank, which will happen at Boca Juniors apparently.

 

[Bwuk]

Whilst I don't want him back, a player like him, Suarez etc is the sort of forward we need.

 

[Nathan]

Not sure really
Just finished watching the 1998/1999 match United versus Spurs at home. What struck me was the the front players - cole, Yorke, solksjaer and shearingham.

We need top class players who can score,no doubt tevez can and will score.

But like i said, not sure

 

[MJJ]

Sir Alex didnt let Berba go because we didnt need the 18mil and we werent sure how we'd deal without him. If we'd got a top striker in, he'd have been sold. One has to be ruthless to be at the top.

Tevez wasn't anything special during the end here. 4 goals in the carling cup dont mean much. Berba was the new striker and was always going to be given more of a chance.

We had welbeck, he was the preferred playing striker. We should have let berba leave if we knew that welbeck-rooney is going to be our first choice strike pairing and get in a rotational striker. If not in the summer, then in january. Lying to him like that was wrong imo.

Tevez had earned his place, was a key part of our side which won the CL. Berba should have had to earn his place, not be automatically be first choice. And its not just the carling cup game, he would be kept out of the first team for long stretches of games while berba stank up the place.

 

[Rood]

All true, although Di Maria seems to have a similar improvisational flair about him as well.

And he is also struggling to adapt to the philosophy - but flair is not necessarily the problem, it is more about having the discipline to follow specific orders

 

[crossy1686]

No chance, he's finished.

The Italian league is hardly the most competitive, he'd get nowhere near the amount of goals in the Premier League.

 

[Lay]

No chance, he's finished.

The Italian league is hardly the most competitive, he'd get nowhere near the amount of goals in the Premier League.

Finished? Bit extreme, he's far from finished and is in the best shape of his career. The Italian League isn't the best but it isn't some kickabout with your mates. He's one of the main reasons Juventus reached the CL final for goodness sake

And its not like he hasn't scored the same amount of goals in England before.