[ZDwyr]

Good win. Shame we couldn't create more but oh well.

 

[Lawman]

We were definitely not worse. We scored a goal. A very good one for that matter. We achieved our goal and they didn't. They fluffed so many chances. We were better than them lot in my opinion.

As much as I would love to agree I can't as we were fecking dreadful and it was a shocking performance against a poor Liverpool team. We did not deserve the win, Liverpool were the better team on the day (but I'll take it)

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

The definition of a Smash and Grab result.

Against Liverpool, result matters a feck load more than performance.

 

[Rolandofgilead]

What the feck is wrong with some of you people?

I can't get my head around it, did we batter them 5-0 at anfield, no. do we ever? no.

We were always setting up to contain, hit them on the break and try to take our chances when we get them. It's exactly what we did today, 3 points at Anfield and doing the double over that lot for the second season on the bounce, brilliant, we should be happy....but this place is like a fecking morgue.

we are undefeated in 5 now and although we couldn't break chelsea down and we conceded late at Newcastle and we got 2 scrappy wins against Swansea and Sheffield United before a win at Anfield, our confidence must be improving and even though the football isn't anything to write home about, as long as we are getting results, who cares?

Cheer up lads, we won today.

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

The Refcafe twitter page is so active when we win, but it can go without saying anything for a week or two if we lose/draw

 

[Stretford End Phil]

Good win. Shame we couldn't create more but oh well.

More than enough is a waste. Economy of effort against the Scousers is just so excruciatingly funny.

 

[Galactic]

Imagine if we brought in McNair in the last few minutes to play upfront when were 0-1 down to Liverpool at home (and eventually lost the game). The reactions in here.

 

[ManUSarge]

My download stopped when Memphis was introduced. Was sure we would lose. Only a couple of decent buildups and absolutely no shots on goal to that point. DDG and Rooney saved LvG the axe for another week or so....if it's going to come at all.

 

[Jammydodger7]

Hollow victory, as per most of the season.

wow, some fans.....

 

[SalfordRed1960]

As much as I would love to agree I can't as we were fecking dreadful and it was a shocking performance against a poor Liverpool team. We did not deserve the win, Liverpool were the better team on the day (but I'll take it)

I would love to know the reasoning for your view they were better than us.

All season the caf has been complaining that United have all the ball and do sweet FA with it. In addition United only have the ball because the other sides let us have it. Today, United had a plan where they allowed Liverpool to have the ball, particularly at the back where we did not pressure them, and they basically did sweet FA with it. They didn't have long periods of dangerous possession. Even in the first half when United could not string 2 passes together, and they won nearly every 50-50 ball, they were pretty toothless.

Second half it was a pretty even game, United started to win a lot more of the 50-50 balls, Fellani started winning headers and Martial's runs caused a bit of panic. If we can say that teams like Norwich deserved to win against United when they had hardly any possession and just exploited United's weakness, can't see how we can't then say United deserved the win as they exploited Liverpool's weakness.

 

[shabadu84]

I thought watching Arsenal against them that DDG would have kept out at least one of the goals that Cech let through. Showed his class again, like he always seems to against Liverpool.

 

[Esquire]

Well, we were coming from a December which consisted of losses and draws. When you are playing so badly, you need to arrest the situation and start taking wins, any which way. Forget about beautiful football. The aim is to get a result.
If you are expecting a Real Madrid type performance from us this season, this won't be happening under LVG. What you are seeing now is as good as it gets. This is an LVG team, through and through.

So, given the above, our poor form, but 3 points (so we can make top 4), this was a good result and no complaints.

I agree. I'm in the LVG out camp so there is a slight internal conflict but I'd never want us to lose just to get rid of him. But the crap is really hard to watch.

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

We played shit but we won at Anfield and Rooney finally scored there after 11 years. So I really don't give two fecks about the performance, excellent result.

 

[fallengt]

Happy with 3 points but I can't take this crap performance any more.We had no game plan and created nothing.

Both team sucked donkeyballs and we got lucky with the only goal. This match could've gone either way.

 

[NK86]

What the feck is wrong with some of you people?

I can't get my head around it, did we batter them 5-0 at anfield, no. do we ever? no.

We were always setting up to contain, hit them on the break and try to take our chances when we get them. It's exactly what we did today, 3 points at Anfield and doing the double over that lot for the second season on the bounce, brilliant, we should be happy....but this place is like a fecking morgue.

we are undefeated in 5 now and although we couldn't break chelsea down and we conceded late at Newcastle and we got 2 scrappy wins against Swansea and Sheffield United before a win at Anfield, our confidence must be improving and even though the football isn't anything to write home about, as long as we are getting results, who cares?

Cheer up lads, we won today.

Those were pretty much the exact same lines which were being touted by many at the start of the campaign. However as the rest of the caf pointed out, our luck will eventually run out as this kind of football can only take you so far. Then December happened.

Now we are seeing games similar to the ones at the start of the season, and then seeing posts like that actually gives me a sense of déjà vu.

I don't care much about the performance yesterday. It was at Anfield and the results are all that matter there. However we have been dire in the remaining games where we have been getting results since the turn of the year and that won't get us far and we will again soon hit a patch where we would not be able to buy a win for love or money.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Lolz.. I thought it will be a scored win for us or draw. But to bore them to death and then grab a winner. Oh man!!
Anyways, Pool missed a proper finisher. Benteke should have come in much earlier. DDG did some great work though.

I expected Pool to exploit our mid-Fella, but they were dire in that too. Overall a double over them is welcome even if we played like headless chickens

 

[Lawman]

I would love to know the reasoning for your view they were better than us.

All season the caf has been complaining that United have all the ball and do sweet FA with it. In addition United only have the ball because the other sides let us have it. Today, United had a plan where they allowed Liverpool to have the ball, particularly at the back where we did not pressure them, and they basically did sweet FA with it. They didn't have long periods of dangerous possession. Even in the first half when United could not string 2 passes together, and they won nearly every 50-50 ball, they were pretty toothless.

Second half it was a pretty even game, United started to win a lot more of the 50-50 balls, Fellani started winning headers and Martial's runs caused a bit of panic. If we can say that teams like Norwich deserved to win against United when they had hardly any possession and just exploited United's weakness, can't see how we can't then say United deserved the win as they exploited Liverpool's weakness.

I thought we were dreadful especially first half. They attacked down our left and I thought they came close to scoring a few times. We couldn't string a couple of passes if we tried. We didn't threaten the whole match from open play. Once maybe with Martial, we had one shot on target all game (the goal). We basically scored from a set piece. Liverpool beat us in possession and shots and shots on target.
I don't understand your reasoning, yep I understand our tactics and we tried to leave Sako on the ball but I think we were getting humped and us not getting beat was down to liverpools lack of quality in front of goal. Not because our tactics or we were better as we clearly weren't, that was worrying how we played it took away from my enjoyment of the victory. And this is one of my must win matches every year but it's the longer implications I worry about with us being that bad. If you think we were the better team I struggle with that we were clearly not imo and that's worrying as Liverpool have the worst team in the last 20 years I can remember.

 

[nimic]

You can have a limo, but end up being driven to a tent. You can wear Armani shoes while holding a sign ‘’homeless’’ and have a mismatch. You can produce dreamy creamy cupcakes, but if your the only mouth to feed, nobody will taste it. The Anfield crowd will be shattered into nonexsistent wind and the eyes of United fans worldwide will glaze like diamonds. They will fabricate their own joy but end up in a nigtmare. They will wake up in a pool of sweat hearing the echo of United fans cheering, reminiscing the red marching army scoring the winner at the kop end. Kings will be born and the slaves will remain slaves. Trumpets will be blown while those who taste defeat will only hear the sound of their chained ankles resigning to their Faith, the sound of iron, rhytmically brushing the canvas. The motion of defeat, the sound of nonexsistent wind and now smile, because those who wear the Reds will return with the victory.

What.

The.

feck.

 

[PickledRed]

Thought Liverpool were easily the better side but if you can't score you become vulnerable to to the sucker punch.

 

[KM]

If a victory over Liverpool starts being hollow for some fans, then they're supporting the wrong club.

 

[NK86]

Thought Liverpool were easily the better side but if you can't score you become vulnerable to to the sucker punch.

Well, that has been the case for United for quite some time. We dominate possession but are unable to score, then the opponents score one off a counter and we lose. Liverpool were the better side in the first half. Second half was more even with maybe a couple of good chances falling to the two teams. We took ours while Liverpool was stopped by a magnificent DDG.

 

[NK86]

If a victory over Liverpool starts being hollow for some fans, then they're supporting the wrong club.

I agree. People may not like our performance, although we have played much worse and won at Anfield under SAF, but the win is a huge one irrespective of where the two sides stand in the table.

 

[ants7]

Win over Liverpool at Anfield and I forgot everything I have against LVG for at least few days. Simple as taht.

Additional positives:

*De God. I don't know if there's anything left to be said about that guy.
*Cameron Jackson - Great little guy coming through the ranks. Terrible time to come in to the game but made it his own.
*Rooney - I'm not over the moon but so far in this half of the season has scored important goals and can't ask more than that from him.

 

[Stretford End Phil]

Rather win ugly than lose pretty - we're not Arsenal. If we were to look back to the last defeat by the Scouses under Moyes, and compare sides I would have to say we have improved whereas they have deteriorated. Once we scored they looked completely deflated. Back in the day they would have responded aggressively. Clearly Klopp has a big job, and the Scousers a long wait.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Rather win ugly than lose pretty - we're not Arsenal. If we were to look back to the last defeat by the Scouses under Moyes, and compare sides I would have to say we have improved whereas they have deteriorated. Once we scored they looked completely deflated. Back in the day they would have responded aggressively. Clearly Klopp has a big job, and the Scousers a long wait.

It will be even harder with no CL football.

 

[Thisistheone]

Great smash and grab win. Not many better feelings than a win at Anfield.

And I don't get the sympathy in the tabloids for Liverpool. If they had a finisher, if they had some top quality in the box they'd have won comfortably.

Benteke - £32M
Firmino - £29M
Lallanal - £25M

No sympathy from me. They're just awful in the tranfer market and have arguably wasted more money on duds than any other club in the PL era.

 

[SteveJ]

Once we scored they looked completely deflated. Back in the day they would have responded aggressively...

Even the crowd seemed like they didn't believe Liverpool could come back. That's the impression I got, anyway.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Great smash and grab win. Not many better feelings than a win at Anfield.

And I don't get the sympathy in the tabloids for Liverpool. If they had a finisher, if they had some top quality in the box they'd have won comfortably.

Benteke - £32M
Firmino - £29M
Lallanal - £25M

No sympathy from me. They're just awful in the tranfer market and have arguably wasted more money on duds than any other club in the PL era.

That was what was bugging me yesterday, the if only had a striker. What did they spend all that money on then?

 

[dcullivanio]

I kind of have the 'who gives a shit about the performance because we beat the Scousers in their own back yard' train of thought, but on every other occasion we beat them, home or away, I've always been left with a spring in my step for the coming week. This time though I can't feel that happy because once again we were very poor.

How many times have we had only one shot on target in a match this season? I know it's goals that ultimately count and not shots on target but our chance creation ratio is so bad it's frightening. Other so called lesser teams in the league are creating chances and managing to look a little exciting so why can't we with the players we have got. Okay, our squad could definitely be improved but with what we already have at our disposal we should be able to muster up some more exciting football than this current garbage.

Ultimately, the fact we came away with all the points is F'in brilliant and quite unbelievable really given the turgidity that we consistently serve up. Beating the Scousers is always gratifying even if we all secretly know how poor we are currently playing. How we are only 7 points from the top is beyond me and is surely just an indictment on the current standard of 'top teams' in the PL. At this moment in time I do genuinely believe we could win the league, as no team has displayed any consistency, but just as easily I think we could end up finishing 10th. It's ridiculous.

I suppose it's quite interesting for football fans with no allegiance in the league but It's bloody frustrating when you can see how we could have easily taken the league this season, or at least be tied at the top, if we hadn't blown a handful of 'should've won' games...Fingers crosses this can finally be used as a platform to build a run of performances AND results on.

 

[The Purley King]

Bottom line is that neither team is good enough to amount to very much. Us due to how we are set up by LVG and pool because they just have very average players.
A win for us does little to paper over our glaring issues and a defeat for them is what you get when you can't translate superiority into goals.
Fellaini was truly atrocious until that header. I know it got us the goal and the win, but he was desperate.

I hope we scrape top4 and then get rid of LVG.

 

[ScarleyUtd]

Even the crowd seemed like they didn't believe Liverpool could come back. That's the impression I got, anyway.

Tbf OT often feels like that these days.

 

[langster]

kind of have the 'who gives a shit about the performance because we beat the Scousers in their own back yard' train of thought, but on every other occasion we beat them, home or away, I've always been left with a spring in my step for the coming week. This time though I can't feel that happy because once again we were very poor.

Apathy! That sums it up perfectly, I am ecstatic that we beat the Dippers (again, lel) but just felt flat after the game.

 

[dasty]

Beat the scousers and still tonnes of people moaning here. This forum is really fecked nowadays eh?

 

[The Purley King]

Beat the scousers and still tonnes of people moaning here. This forum is really fecked nowadays eh?

Its because most people can see that a) we were pretty lucky, b) we played like shit again and were 2nd best for most of the match, c) if anything this result will make LVG even more confident in his ultra conservative approach.

 

[ZDwyr]

Beat the scousers and still tonnes of people moaning here. This forum is really fecked nowadays eh?

While the win was great it doesn't mask the fact that we are still a bit shit

 

[Turnip]

Don't know how people can defend our performance, we may have pulled off our goal but it was more down to luck and their poor finishing than anything else. Still, it's a sweeter win when the losers are more bitter, and I know how pissed off I'd be if everything went the other way round.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Don't know how people can defend our performance, we may have pulled off our goal but it was more down to luck and their poor finishing than anything else. Still, it's a sweeter win when the losers are more bitter, and I know how pissed off I'd be if everything went the other way round.

Who defended our performance? I see all defending the result but not one, the performance.

In the context of our season it wasn't great but it's still a result and 3 points. I'm not sure what you'd have fans doing; still indulging in some sort of self flagellation becuse we didn't play like Bayern Munich. Give people a break FFS, we beat our bitterest rivals at their ground but posters like you are hell bent in seeing a way to stop people enjoying the result

 

[dcullivanio]

Beat the scousers and still tonnes of people moaning here. This forum is really fecked nowadays eh?

Because we care about the broader picture of the club and the direction it is currently heading in. A lucky win against the scousers can't mask things. The victory merely papers over the cracks for another week. I'm not going to bound about like a dog with two d*cks just because we've beaten a 9th placed team that played without a striker and who're equally as hapless as us. We had one shot on target and had their finishing been better/had DDG not been there, then it would've been a whole different story. I'm always happy beating those lot, and it's great to wind them up about it, but the performance didn't do anything to allay our ongoing concerns about the team and the stewardship of the club..

 

[Stretford End Phil]

All us United fans should take a week off of bitching about LVG, Woody, Giggs and the squad, and just bask in the sunshine of another double over the Scouses. Let this period of grace wash away our cares and just enjoy the Schadenfreude moment.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Because we care about the broader picture of the club and the direction it is currently heading in. A lucky win against the scousers can't mask things. The victory merely papers over the cracks for another week. I'm not going to bound about like a dog with two d*cks just because we've beaten a 9th placed team that played without a striker and who're equally as hapless as us. We had one shot on target and had their finishing been better/had DDG not been there, then it would've been a whole different story. I'm always happy beating those lot, and it's great to wind them up about it, but the performance didn't do anything to allay our ongoing concerns about the team and the stewardship of the club..

They are mutually exclusive events. LVG is not involved in which direction the club is going;that's Woodward's job and the Glazers both of whom appear to have no clue.