Changed vote to yes, because it can't get worse.
If we had gotten him in a month ago we could still be in the title hunt.
There's still time to make top 4 and challenge for the other two trophies if we appoint him now.
There's still time to make top 4 and challenge for the other two trophies if we appoint him now.
I wanted him and still do but in a way it'll piss me off a bit if we do hire him now. We'd have thrown away the Stoke, Chelsea, Newcastle, Southampton games and the January window delaying.
Basically this seems destined to happen
I agree, but at the same time, better late than never.
Honestly, I just can't figure out what exactly we're waiting for. At this rate, we might miss out on the Champions League. Last time that happened, the club lost about £50 million+ in revenues, so why not make a change now - when terminating his contract will mean £10 million residual wages tops? Doesn't that make a bit of business sense, apart from the obvious sporting benefit?
That lost revenue bit is just the tip of the iceberg. Delve a little deeper, and will an elite manager/ replacement want to take charge of a team that isn't playing in the Champions League? Plus, will the top, top players want to join the club when we might be missing out on the Premier European club competition for the second time in three seasons? To be fair, Di María transferred to a United team that was out of Europe altogether, but that season under Moyes was perceived to be a blip and he was essentially being forced out of Madrid. Not qualifying for the Champions League will hurt us a lot, on multiple fronts.
Appoint José now, he might create a siege mentality, and that change in mood might uplift the players. Even if we fail to qualify for the Champions League, at the very least he'll have sufficient time to assess the squad first hand with an eye on the summer transfer market, and maybe we will end the season on a positive note - building momentum for 2016/ 2017. Because as things stand, we might regress further and end the season with a whimper, which is what happened last season too. It's pretty evident that there won't be progression under the current manager. A couple decent results (point wise) amid an abject couple of months don't half fill you with confidence.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-under-david-moyes-cost-club-50m-9381431.html
That lost revenue bit is just the tip of the iceberg. Delve a little deeper, and will an elite manager/ replacement want to take charge of a team that isn't playing in the Champions League? Plus, will the top, top players want to join the club when we might be missing out on the Premier European club competition for the second time in three seasons? To be fair, Di María transferred to a United team that was out of Europe altogether, but that season under Moyes was perceived to be a blip and he was essentially being forced out of Madrid. Not qualifying for the Champions League will hurt us a lot, on multiple fronts.
Appoint José now, he might create a siege mentality, and that change in mood might uplift the players. Even if we fail to qualify for the Champions League, at the very least he'll have sufficient time to assess the squad first hand with an eye on the summer transfer market, and maybe we will end the season on a positive note - building momentum for 2016/ 2017. Because as things stand, we might regress further and end the season with a whimper, which is what happened last season too. It's pretty evident that there won't be progression under the current manager. A couple decent results (point wise) amid an abject couple of months don't half fill you with confidence.
This. Especially the part about assessing the swuad ready for the summer window.Honestly, I just can't figure out what exactly we're waiting for. At this rate, we might miss out on the Champions League. Last time that happened, the club lost about £50 million+ in revenues, so why not make a change now when terminating his contract will mean £10 million residual wages tops? Doesn't that make a bit of business sense, apart from the obvious sporting benefit:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-under-david-moyes-cost-club-50m-9381431.html
That lost revenue bit is just the tip of the iceberg. Delve a little deeper, and will an elite manager/ replacement want to take charge of a team that isn't playing in the Champions League? Plus, will the top, top players want to join the club when we might be missing out on the Premier European club competition for the second time in three seasons? To be fair, Di María transferred to a United team that was out of Europe altogether, but that season under Moyes was perceived to be a blip and he was essentially being forced out of Madrid. Not qualifying for the Champions League will hurt us a lot, on multiple fronts. Appoint José now, he might create a siege mentality, and that change in mood might uplift the players. Even if we fail to qualify for the Champions League, at the very least he'll have sufficient time to assess the squad first hand, and maybe we will end the season on a positive note - building momentum for 2016/ 2017. Because as things stand we might regress further and end the season with a whimper, which is what happened last season too. It's pretty evident that there won't be progression under the current manager. A couple decent results (point wise) amid an abject couple of months doesn't half fill you with confidence.
Un-fecking-believable how we've not gotten him yet.
From a footballing perspective, business perspective, brand, players, etc....LVG is utterly destroying our club.
And arrogant, stubborn and basically an idiot, on top!
From a footballing perspective, business perspective, brand, players, etc....LVG is utterly destroying our club.
And arrogant, stubborn and basically an idiot, on top!
Feck it. Just get him in. Sigh.
Which one of the two are you talking about here?
the serial-loser.
You'll have to narrow that down a bit more.
er not really!
don't let your opinions blind the facts mate.
ps. I also throw SAF into that bucket too btw (arrogant, stubborn etc etc). But it's ok when you win!
So did Real and Chelsea both sack him for being too good?
Maybe same reason Bayern and Barca sacked LVG?
Probably. I'm not the one arguing one is better than the other though.
The idea that the answer to a dressing room that has seemingly given up due to a run of bad defeats and negative performances, is one of the most negative managers in world football who just lost a dressing room (and staff) and turned the safest job in world football into a P45 in the space of 3 months is baffling to me.
Well tbh I don't hold the goings-on at the likes of R.Madrid and Chelski a 'normal' football club (players have more power than the manager in most cases, some crazy dictatorship, etc) as a serious indicator. If anything he's worked in the most testing of footballing environments tbh.
A place which gives him free-reign. Tons of money and patience (probably more than they should) would ensure he flies IMHO.
Plus the power to shift out any trouble instantly without any question to avoid the players/coaches/whatever else strong-hold.
This is the job he wanted, no matter what has been recorded before. Let him have it, he's young enough and arrogant enough to want to prove to Ferguson that someone else can have success at this club. And to be honest, Ferguson would be the first to run to him and hug him. Because?...Fergie has already said he's a brilliant manger.
And he's said it time and time again (even this season) how he wants his next job to be his 'long term' job. He's literally said he wants to 'settle at a club'.
Ancelotti got sacked by Real Madrid and Chelsea. Lots of good managers have. So what's your point?
And again with this Mourinho is negative nonsense.
And again with this Mourinho is negative nonsense.
Woody...give him the bloody job for goodness sake. No matter the fans are divided..they were with LVG to be honest..and certainly with Moyes. Even Pep has his detractors...but this guy really really wanted this job and I say give it to him and lets see.
Getting replaced at Madrid is no big deal. Didn't Del Bosque get sacked after winning the CL ? Perez and his posse are completely mentalists.
After tonight, my answer is: 'does a bear shit in the woods?'
I wanted him when Sir Alex retired, and I want him now,
It's infuriating to me the best manager around is out there, open to coming and we're still not going for him.
It's infuriating to me the best manager around is out there, open to coming and we're still not going for him.
Give him the fecking job already.
Would you all really be happy to put up with his awful behavior if he was our manager? We hear so much about the "United way" that's largely bullshit but surely expecting a basic level of dignity from our manager is a reasonable principle for the club to stick by? Or are results simply more important?
Just some myth debunking, mainly from Wiki:
- He won a fecking treble with an unfancied FC Porto team (incl a CL!).
- Under Mourinho, Chelsea secured their first top-flight domestic title in 50 years, setting a string of English football records in the process, including the most points ever achieved in the Premier League (95), and the fewest goals conceded (15).
- On 28 July 2009, Mourinho was reported to have shown interest in taking over at Manchester United when Alex Ferguson retired. He was quoted as saying, "I would consider going to Manchester United but United have to consider if they want me to succeed Sir Alex Ferguson. If they do, then of course."
- Another treble at unfancied Inter. This brought Inter back into a European Cup final 38 years after their last.
- Prior to Mourinho's arrival, Real Madrid had underperformed despite paying record transfer fees for Galácticos such as Kaká and Cristiano Ronaldo.
- On 20 April 2011, Mourinho won his first trophy in Spanish football as Real Madrid defeated arch-rivals Barcelona 1–0 in the Copa del Rey final held at the Mestalla Stadium in Valencia, ending Real Madrid's eighteen-year-long Copa del Rey drought.
- On 13 May 2012, Real Madrid defeated Mallorca 4–1, in their last league match of the season which set records for most games won in a La Liga season (32), most away wins (16), most points obtained in any of the top European leagues (100), improving the most goals scored record they already had set earlier (121), and finishing the season with the highest goal difference (+89).
- Mourinho's fraught relationships with Sergio Ramos and club captain Iker Casillas (a popular player whom Mourinho sidelined in 2013) caused divisions between fans in the "Mourinhistas" and "Madridistas" (the more traditional Real Madrid fans) camps. His relationship with Cristiano Ronaldo became difficult because, according to Mourinho, the player "maybe thinks that he knows everything and that the coach cannot improve him anymore", so was unwilling to accept constructive criticism. (i.e. crazy player power).
- He consistently played down Chelsea's title chances throughout the season and referred to it as a transitional season, slowly moulding his squad and most significantly dropping (and eventually selling) Chelsea's player of the year of the two previous seasons, Juan Mata. (i.e. big decisions).
- On 3 May 2015, Chelsea were crowned Premier League champions after beating Crystal Palace with three games to spare. Mourinho was subsequently named as Premier League Manager of the Season, with Chelsea losing just three matches all season.
Its as simple as Van gaal cannot stay, the question becomes has guardiola let clubs know behind the scenes where he's going? i would imagine he has, and if its to us then we need a makeshift before summer, Giggs + fergie or whatever.
If he hasnt given us an answer, we get mourinho in ASAP.
If he hasnt given us an answer, we get mourinho in ASAP.
Just give it to him for fecks sake I can't stand to watch us under That ugly fraud any longer
How is that myth debunking?
er the stats mainly
Must have missed SAF's years of eye gouging other managers and bullying our own doctors....yep agreed, you know, like:
This seige mentality was lapped up wasn't it?
SAF wasn't perfect but Mourinho is much, much worse. Something Sir Bobby rightly pointed out.
If there was any chance of this happening, he'd be here already imo. The only logical conclusion to draw from Van Gaal not being sacked is that whoever we want isn't available now.
Ah all hail to the judge of all crimes. You know which one is worse then do you?
I simply don't agree with you. Got to agree to disagree I'm afraid mate.
Although not yet changed my vote, I think I would take any manager at the moment, including Sam Allardyce
You mean exactly what Guardiola did at Bayern?
What?
Didn't Fergie fall out with the club doctor due to Rooneys injury in 2006?
But we'd forget that. How about the Bayern medical staff leaving last year? Did you forget that too?
Indeed, that wasn't good either. As with SAF though, Pep really isn't on Mou's level in terms of toxic behavior.
yep agreed, you know, like:
This seige mentality was lapped up wasn't it?