Yeh wasn't being serious. There are no interims really except Giggs.
I personally think we shouldn't risk going for Pep and just get Jose in permanently.
Possible Interim Managers - If LVG is sacked mid season
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I personally think we shouldn't risk going for Pep and just get Jose in permanently.
Fair enough. Personally, I have no clue what I want, which is also why I am indulgent with respect to the board's passivity.
Let's get that fat Spanish waiter in for a few months. If we are gonna write this season off, it will be worth the scouse meltdown alone!
Bielsa! It certainly wouldn't be dull...
This.
Keeping Van Gaal is almost resigning ourselves to our fate. A meek surrender, taking a punt on someone else is an attempt to do something. It's a risk, but the way our season is going, that is better than just giving up.
Guus Hiddink isnt a better manager than Jose, but he was a better option than keeping Jose at Chelsea . Sometimes a change is best, new ideas, a new outlook. Van Gaal seems to have tried everything, nothing is working for him.
We cant afford to be out of the UCL. We are so low in terms of Uefa coefficient as it is.
He would not be a bad shout imo.
If its true about Giggs not wanting the job as an interim that pisses me off. He has absolutely no desire to prove himself and is happy to just have the golden ticket handed to him on a silver platter. I might be putting one and one together and getting three, but from the outside it dosnt paint a good impression of Giggs
Totally agree. I really don't care much who replaces LVG at this point. Just replace him already because he is a dead man walking, and the team knows it. They might be professionals & want to play for the fans, but they have also consider the manager, who on a whim can cost them playing time or even worse, playing in a position that isn't your best. Even if LVG is gone in 4 months, it's 4 months that will be hell for the playing staff.
I'd take Meulensteen, Carlos Queiroz or anybody that has a decent working knowledge of the club that won't need too much time to settle in.
Warren Joyce is a great shout, he is already at the club and will have established relationships with everyone necessary to perform the role. There wouldn't be too much pressure on him as he is not a realistic long-term solution and so can operate on a reasonably short-term outlook, happy in the knowledge that he will return to his previous role in the summer.
The problem with giving the caretaker job to someone with ambition to get the role full-time is that a good run of form makes it very difficult to then not give them the job permanently. Incumbency is king if things aren't going too badly. Another good reason to get a DoF, they could easily step in to the breach on such occasions until a suitable successor is found.
The idea of holding on to a manager whom you know you are going to replace and who appears to have lost faith in his own ability is ridiculous. Better to be a rudderless ship than to being knowingly steered further in to the abyss.
Warren Joyce is a great shout, he is already at the club and will have established relationships with everyone necessary to perform the role. There wouldn't be too much pressure on him as he is not a realistic long-term solution and so can operate on a reasonably short-term outlook, happy in the knowledge that he will return to his previous role in the summer.
The problem with giving the caretaker job to someone with ambition to get the role full-time is that a good run of form makes it very difficult to then not give them the job permanently. Incumbency is king if things aren't going too badly. Another good reason to get a DoF, they could easily step in to the breach on such occasions until a suitable successor is found.
The idea of holding on to a manager whom you know you are going to replace and who appears to have lost faith in his own ability is ridiculous. Better to be a rudderless ship than to being knowingly steered further in to the abyss.
There is not many managers out there willing to be interim managers. The good managers obviously demand long term contracts. Out of all the interim manager candidates, you'd be extremely hard pressed to find one as good as Benitez.
Not to mention for all the criticism he gets, he is actually really good at seeing through the bullshit with big names and forging decent sides. He is a bad man manager but this is what this side needs right now, someone who picks the team based on merit/work rate, tactical discipline. Van Gaal for all his reputation as a hard task master has been absolutely shite and picking a team based on the actual football and not the influence they have at the club.
Exactly.
The players arent responding to his methods ar all. They will know too that he is likely to be leaving in the Summer. Thats quite dangerous. In 2002, when Sir announced his retirement beforehand, we went into freefall.
Also the negativity that comes with Van Gaal's continued employment has created a poisonous atmosphere at O.T. That negatively affects the players .
If they cannot find anyone, then i'll take the fecking job as long as LvG is not here. This is getting fecking ridiculous. Bayern replaced a treble winning manager with Pep, now that Pep wants to leave, they have another top manager lined up already. Real Madrid have gone through all the top managers in the World, but they still have no problem filling the managers position.
Rene was an absolute disaster at Fulham, Quieroz hasn't been at this club for 10 years. Hat sort of inside working knowledge of the club do you think they will have? It's virtually a totally different coaching team in place to the ones they worked with and almost entirely a different squad.
As for Warren Joyce, Managing the kids and taking on the role of interim manager here is a huge, huge difference. He managed Hull and Antwerp over a decade ago.
The complete lack of ideas in here tells you everything you need to know. Sack Van Gaal with no plan in place and we'll be absolutely fecked and don't try to tell me that 7 points behind 2nd place City with 15 games still to play is "already fecked".
Quieroz and Meulensteen.
Giggs is in no position to be dictating terms like this. I'm hugely sceptical about his suitability, as any reasonable person would be, but things can't get much worse under him than they are under LVG, so a six month audition as caretaker makes a lot of sense to me.
Phallen.
If Giggs doesn't want to prove himself over 1/3 of a season then when is he going to prove himself? Is he so arrogant that he just expects the job should be handed over to him after being part of two failed managerial appointments? He can't be that stupid.
Any other heavy weight manager like Bielsa or Sampaoli are going to need time to implement their strategy, a short term appointment wouldn't work with them. Hiddink has proved capable of it, coming in, working with what he's got and making it work but he's obviously at Chelsea, so that's no use. We'd need to find someone similar (and there are very few, even fewer will be available) or someone who is familiar with the club, can give the players a lift and who can get us over the line; Meulensteen, Joyce, Giggs or one of the other coaches could do it, hard to say if they would be up to the task though.
Sacking LVG without a plan in place would be monumentally stupid. Sacking him at the end of the season might be the only possible solution if we want to wait for Mourinho or Pep to be available.
Any other heavy weight manager like Bielsa or Sampaoli are going to need time to implement their strategy, a short term appointment wouldn't work with them. Hiddink has proved capable of it, coming in, working with what he's got and making it work but he's obviously at Chelsea, so that's no use. We'd need to find someone similar (and there are very few, even fewer will be available) or someone who is familiar with the club, can give the players a lift and who can get us over the line; Meulensteen, Joyce, Giggs or one of the other coaches could do it, hard to say if they would be up to the task though.
Sacking LVG without a plan in place would be monumentally stupid. Sacking him at the end of the season might be the only possible solution if we want to wait for Mourinho or Pep to be available.
You mean Mick Phelan? I suppose he'd do a good job...
... of putting out the cones.
I'll do it.
Ah here I've spent way too much time mocking Benitez to my scouse supporting friends....I don't think I could deal with the backlash 
It's not. On the contrary, given the nature of the league the season is still salvageable in terms of getting 4th. That isn't the issue, though. The issue is that LVG doesn't look capable of doing the job. It's Moyes territory by the looks of it.
Woody's job shouldn't be to sit around and wait for “already fecked” to become a reality. The fact that it hasn't – yet – isn't a particularly good argument in favour of a manager who looks lost and done for.
If there truly isn't a single half plausible candidate for a caretaker stint out there – then fair enough. Seems strange, though. The premise would be, after all, that LVG simply has to go because there's no chance of him getting anything out of this season (as per the club's assessment). The alternatives are a) write the season off, b) take a punt of some kind on a caretaker.
If Mourinho is unavailable until the summer and Giggs doesn't want to take over as interim, you're right.
I don't see a sudden turnaround in results under LvG though, but i guess it's better to keep faith and hope he can make the top 4 than finding yourself without a manager at all.
Best for everyones Health to stop thinking about when LvG will get sacked, the decision will most likely be made in the summer.
SAF until end of the season.
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Giggs being picky? Based on what? His managerial experience?
Hitzfeld for a short stint maybe?
Surely this isn't true with Giggs, how can he be sitting on his high horse all of a sudden, this is what he's been working for.... To have experience managing us. Just doesn't make sense to me.
I can imagine if I was in this situation - no managerial experience and a massive club struggling - I'd not be rushing to take the job on either. If anything, it might indicate he has matured since taking over from Moyes and recognises he still has a lot to learn.
In my opinion, if LVG goes then we either need the next permanent manager to take over straight away, or follow the Chelsea lead and bring in someone massively experienced just to get us to 4th place.
He'd fecking love Moyes.
Just no , he is a gobshite , who every time I have seen him on TV does nothing but bad mouth the club.
There is nobody really apart from Giggs who would be able to do the job very short term.
I dont see any of the ones mentioned wanting the job for the rest of the season, it is a poisoned chalice.
I dont see any of the ones mentioned wanting the job for the rest of the season, it is a poisoned chalice.
I agree we don't have many options (if they consider Mourinho beyond the pale) but I cannot imagine getting top 4 if Van Gaal stays even though the points difference is not that big. If he was going to reappraise his approach and transform our fortunes, he would have done it after the November/December crisis. Instead, after a couple of decent results (although not performances), we're back to square one. He clearly can't adapt his tactics or inspire his players. So we are "fecked" if he stays.
As for stopgap options, other than Mourinho, no idea. Not Giggs please - if he has bright ideas, what the hell has he been doing for the last 6 months? Not Fergie either even though he'd have us on a title charge - we need to learn to walk on our own two feet. It needs to be someone with premier league experience as there is no time for learning curves. I'd be prepared to give Rafa a spin to see if we can get top 4 and have a go at the Europa League, although I assume there is close to zero chance of that happening given his Liverpool connections.
right Nicky Butt it is.
I know, it's why I asked.
Would certainly put the cat among the pigeons.. He's a great trainer and his teams generally play decent football.
& his 3hr press conferences would be a laugh a minute as British hacks try to get their heads round his answers.
& he'd wind up the Glazers a treat
Fair enough on Queiroz, he has been adrift for a while. Rene failed at Fulham but these thing happen, Fulham were a disaster when he took over and he was only in the position for a few months. I'm not suggesting long term solutions, simply a potential change (based on the premise in the OP) in the short term whilst a more suitable candidate is found. They simply have to do a job, if they were perfect for the role they wouldn't be interim managers would they.
I can see why you would sh*t on the other two but regarding Joyce, of course managing the u21's (not exactly children) is a different job but there are many commonalities. Man-management, training, tactics, preparation etc. are all required in both roles. The pressure and ego's differ but that doesn't necessarily spell doom and if someone were to take over they wouldn't have to consider transfers or any real long-term strategising.
Under normal situations I would say the assistant manager should take over, and I have no issues with Giggs doing so, but the recent speculation has been about him being reluctant of doing so as a temporary measure.
You can talk about being only 7 points behind City and are free to take solace in that fact. I believe that is a gross over-simplification of the state we currently find ourselves in and have seen little from LVG during his tenure (particularly his response to recent adversities) to suggest we are going in the right direction or ever will. To stick with him for fear of something worse kind of overlooks the fact that at the minute we are getting worse under LVG and have no idea if we have bottomed out. I'd rather take the chance than limp on as we are, pretty much knowing what every game will bring.
Giggs should be begging the board for the chance to be interim manager. He could get more experience and show what he has to offer.
I loved Giggs and a player and he will always be a legend, but if it's true that he is demanding to be the new full time manager then he can feck off.
I loved Giggs and a player and he will always be a legend, but if it's true that he is demanding to be the new full time manager then he can feck off.
He's got more years of experience in doing giggs role
Ah come on ffs! You are seriously saying you'd have Rafa (to see if we can get top 4), over SAF (even though he'd have us on a title charge)?
Yes, that's what it looks like. So, the question becomes: what circumstances would justify simply letting the man keep his job until the end of the season? A dearth of truly good interim choices isn't an argument under normal circumstances if the man in charge is, for all intents and purposes, finished. In a situation like that you have to do something – improvise, gamble, whatever you can think of in order to at least try to salvage something.
The way it looks now, we won't get 4th with LVG in charge. What do we do, then? Sack him while there's still hope that someone else can do it – or just call the season an utter failure and let him keep his job because we can't be arsed to do anything else?
If there's a long term plan here, which somehow involves LVG in one fashion or another, it better be a bloody great plan if we're to consider losing out on 4th with him in charge acceptable.
Then again, this is looked at from a fan's point of view. Perhaps Woody truly believes that LVG is capable of turning things around.
He should come in, make a big impression (get us top 4 and playing quality football) and it will give the powers that be a decision to make in the summer.
This could be his only chance to prove his worth and he's seemingly not up to the challenge.