Bit of a contradiction of terms?
Guardiola confirmed to City... what does this mean for us?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Considering that they already have a better manager and squad and it appears that we already decided to stick with LVG no matter what, it doesn't affect us at all. Let's be honest here, we're not fighting for the title anytime soon in this setup.
I am sure we will respond in few days with new sponsorship with Thailand's official noodle partner.
Huh?
I don't think it's that hard at all for united to break into the top tier in europe once again, and city spending shouldn't be an excuse for us since we're one of the richest clubs in the world if not the richest.
City simply focus on football, we don't. They've made plans to sign pep 3 years ago, they've had a clear strategy on what brand of football they wanted to play from day one and they hired the right people to run the club.
Are they using a cheat code? sure, but we could've done better without needing a cheat code, instead the primary focus of the club has always been our commercial success.
I'm convinced that up to this moment we have no firm plans for the future, we don't know whether to keep van gaal, hire giggs or sign mourinho.
Ferguson also said Neville would be a big success at Valencia and Moyes would be a great success for us
Stop being silly
I can only see Giggs taking over after LvG's three years are up.
Its becoming more apparent that this was the plan all along. A fecked up plan IMO, but there you go. We seems to be prioritising long term stability over instant success. If we were serious about Pep, he'd have been on his way, especially after we went and hired LvG to lay the foundations.
It's the same reason we haven't contacted Jose. If this is the case then Woodward needs to be kicked in the head.
Its becoming more apparent that this was the plan all along. A fecked up plan IMO, but there you go. We seems to be prioritising long term stability over instant success. If we were serious about Pep, he'd have been on his way, especially after we went and hired LvG to lay the foundations.
It's the same reason we haven't contacted Jose. If this is the case then Woodward needs to be kicked in the head.
I hate him, but there isn't really much we can do now but get Jose in if we want to compete with Klopp, Wenger, Guardiola and whatever bastard Chelsea brings in.
This news is confirmation of where both clubs currently are, but I think we as United fans can't afford to fixate over club rivalries and the massive implications this potentially has on club standings/premier league futures. There's enough for us to be focussing on at home, with a lot that needs fixing. I also believe that the task is much bigger than changing the manager; there's a lot at this club that has been allowed to decline over the recent past - and the rapidity with which this has happened is arguably most worrying.
As understandable fan's calls for Mourinho now are, I'm still not convinced he's the way forward. His brand of football, antics and manner in which he leaves clubs are three massive red flags which can't/shouldn't be ignored. Although results on the pitch would almost certainly pick up under his reign, I fear most of all for the state of affairs that would unfold behind the scenes. This, coupled with a current board that doesn't put football first, could be disastrous.
Pochettino is, for me, the most logical and best fit for us at the moment. He's an incredibly ambitious and talented young manager who clearly wants to prove himself with the very best. His time in England so far has gone as well as could realistically have been expected. What impresses me most however is his positive involvement with all aspects of the club's he's been at, in particularly Tottenham. In this sense he would help modernise us whilst still upholding more traditional footballing values that we, as United fans, hold dear.
Going against my own advice and returning to the matter of Guardiola to City, there's no doubt their success and cementation as one of the biggest clubs in the world will come about sooner rather than later. It's painful but true. They've invested massively in their youth system and will soon have the perfect manager to bring these players through whilst being able to maintain success and attract the best players in the world. How long it will last for is the only grey area, and will the board be able to accept periods of managerial transition and acclimatisation which, in the past, they've failed to accept.
As understandable fan's calls for Mourinho now are, I'm still not convinced he's the way forward. His brand of football, antics and manner in which he leaves clubs are three massive red flags which can't/shouldn't be ignored. Although results on the pitch would almost certainly pick up under his reign, I fear most of all for the state of affairs that would unfold behind the scenes. This, coupled with a current board that doesn't put football first, could be disastrous.
Pochettino is, for me, the most logical and best fit for us at the moment. He's an incredibly ambitious and talented young manager who clearly wants to prove himself with the very best. His time in England so far has gone as well as could realistically have been expected. What impresses me most however is his positive involvement with all aspects of the club's he's been at, in particularly Tottenham. In this sense he would help modernise us whilst still upholding more traditional footballing values that we, as United fans, hold dear.
Going against my own advice and returning to the matter of Guardiola to City, there's no doubt their success and cementation as one of the biggest clubs in the world will come about sooner rather than later. It's painful but true. They've invested massively in their youth system and will soon have the perfect manager to bring these players through whilst being able to maintain success and attract the best players in the world. How long it will last for is the only grey area, and will the board be able to accept periods of managerial transition and acclimatisation which, in the past, they've failed to accept.
Are you Ryan Giggs by any chance? or Imogen Thomas?
It means you've got to go after Mourinho. Forget sanctimony and get him because he's the man who can beat Guardiola. It won't be pretty but aesthetics, angelic conduct from managers don't come before winning and United need to get back to winning silverware.
That is true, but the size of the cheque book at City is much larger than at Bayern or Barca.
Jose pls - super need!
When Jose goes somewhere else in the next few months all the Giggs-bashers are really going to have a tough time aren't they....
I doubt Woodward's the only one making these decisions. Sir Bobby has been against hiring Mourinho, and he was the one who mentioned that stability breeds success. I think he's as much a bad decision maker in all of these as Woodward and other board members.
And the reason it was a joke was because we were regularly winning stuff, while Liverpool were lingering behind, occasionally making the top 4 and talking about when they used to win stuff...which is a potentially similar situation to what could happen with us and City.
I'm not saying it necessarily will. For all I know, Giggs will stroll a league and cup double next season while Guardiola flops, finishing outside the top 4. Football is unpredictable, and can quickly change. But as things stand, City have just appointed one of the best managers in world football, and we're pissing around with the possibility of someone who has managed less football games than Guardiola has won league titles. The fact that we're a bigger club than them, to be quite frank, doesn't really mean anything. Because if they win under Guardiola, which is a very strong possibility, then they're only going to continue growing in size.
Can't wait for us to cock it up even further by opting not get Mourinho and go with Giggs instead.
Really looking forward to it.
Really looking forward to it.
I live amongst them and believe me they're not.
I still choose to believe ferguson over you. Sorry about that! But I hope you can understand.
Pep couldnt handle the pressure at Barca, and had no pressure at Bayern.
City will be a big test for him.
City will be a big test for him.
We need Jose now, if there was any bloody doubt about it. 3yrs of Guardiola at City could set us back far too much if we fool around.
True. Bloody FFP has turned out to be useless, hasn't it?
They'll just counteract all the money they can throw around with some underwear sponsorship from Qatar worth £10 billion a year.
It doesn't guarantee anything, just the same as it wouldn't guarantee anything if we'd secured him.
But for me, it cements City's credentials as a joke club. Not because they secured a top class manager, far from it. Fair play (but not financial!) to them. But that they're the top of the league in terms of modern soulless "throw money at it" football. While other teams spent years building things up in terms of history, infrastructure, reputation, business they've just come in & poured endless funds into things. Fiddling Fair play rules. Getting rid of a perfectly good managers along the way, showing no loyalty. This is all fine, it's the way of things.
I actually feel a bit sorry for Pelligrini, in a way. He'll have to go back to being a Scooby Doo villain now
For us, it's seems like it's indicative of a club with no ambition. Were we in for him? Who knows. Have we got a better plan? I hope so, but I doubt it. Pochettino would be that plan. ...
For the 100th time MUFC plc is drowning in hubris.
But yeah, it doesn't guarantee anything. Except maybe that they'll need another manager in 3 seasons!
But for me, it cements City's credentials as a joke club. Not because they secured a top class manager, far from it. Fair play (but not financial!) to them. But that they're the top of the league in terms of modern soulless "throw money at it" football. While other teams spent years building things up in terms of history, infrastructure, reputation, business they've just come in & poured endless funds into things. Fiddling Fair play rules. Getting rid of a perfectly good managers along the way, showing no loyalty. This is all fine, it's the way of things.
I actually feel a bit sorry for Pelligrini, in a way. He'll have to go back to being a Scooby Doo villain now
For us, it's seems like it's indicative of a club with no ambition. Were we in for him? Who knows. Have we got a better plan? I hope so, but I doubt it. Pochettino would be that plan. ...
For the 100th time MUFC plc is drowning in hubris.
But yeah, it doesn't guarantee anything. Except maybe that they'll need another manager in 3 seasons!
It means plenty to me. They think they can buy prestige and all the rest. They can't buy our history or our fanbase. Anyway, the bottom line is I don't give a toss that Pep has gone to City. In fact, I'm quite pleased. Now I hope our supporters can move on and get back to supporting our actual team, as opposed to some 'dream' where a Spanish messiah arrives and turns us into Barcelona. Onwards and upwards now.
So... we could see.
Pep City
Klopp Liverpool
Wenger Arsenal
Poch Spurs...
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Giggs United? eep.
Pep City
Klopp Liverpool
Wenger Arsenal
Poch Spurs...
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Giggs United? eep.
Ah yes, those supporters who want a very good manager to come in, and make us a good football team that wins trophies. How awful of them.
Giggs *could* turn out to be the best of the lot.
Yes I also agree. City was an easy option (already established squad of players probably the best at the moment in the EPL) and I will go by an earlier reply I made in this thread that he will also has a massive cheque book at his disposal too.
There's enough people with respected opinions that are vouching for Giggs. This and his loyalty would be enough for me to accept giving him a chance here.
You one of those people who thought Moyes was a great appointment too because Fergie said?
Getting Mourinho is the only logical choice but of course we aren't going to do it. We're completely incompetent at every football related level.
We need to sack Lvg asap. Give Mourinho a job so that he can use half of this remaining season to evaluate the players so that we go into next season properly prepared from the off.
Probably, he has only done jobs in which he already had a technically excellent squad and only had to tweak the tactics.
Not really, this is a challenge for him. Not as big a United was a couple of years ago because he has a decent number of technically competent players for his style. But he has to change the style considerably and he will have to do that in the PL, which has Van Gaal and Klopp struggling to implement their style. I don't expect a smooth ride.
A shame but expected. I would have loved to see how Pep would have set us up, guess we will never know. I suppose it means Mourinho is the clear favourite (although I still have serious reservations), as long as it's not bloody Giggs.
Fergie thought Moyes was an ideal successor. The man is a legendary manager, but that doesn't mean he necessarily knows how to choose a manager.
The same supporters that whinge and moan and criticise everything the club does? The same ones that haven't a shred of patience? If they are the ones you are referring to then yes, how awful of them. So too the immature spoilt brats that don't remember anything at this club before 1995. Nothing wrong with wanting a good manager at the club but they way folks have gone on and on and on about Pep has simply being nauseating.
Hardly a surprise since it was the worst kept secret in the football world. It's certainly a step forward for City who are steadily climbing up the ladder that leads to recognition among the best clubs in the world. They've slowly established themselves as a PL powerhouse over the last five years and now they'll be looking for better days in Europe as well.
If they manage to win the PL this season, they'll be favourites in my eyes to break the record of winning the title for four years in a row. From a neutral's pov i guess it'll be interesting to see what the "best manager in the world" can do with a blank check and if he can succeed where Mourinho failed at Chelsea and lead a sugar daddy club immediately to the top of Europe.
Nevertheless, this appointment shows how much City have progressed. From throwing money at Robinho's (of all people) feet just for the sake of getting someone and steal the headlines for a day or two and from that tasteless 'welcome to Manchester' sign for Tevez (which we barely cared about because where it mattered - on the pitch- we were dominant) to creating a very good side that's almost guaranteed a top two finish, to restructuring their whole academy system, to getting Guardiola and that feeling like a reasonable choice for both parties.
As for us, it's kind of depressing simply because over the last two and half years we look less like a football organization and more like a soap opera from the 80's. The fall of an empire, who will succeed Ferguson, the power battles within the club, the Giggs saga etc. And all of that because no one had planned the post Ferguson era. At first they (the board) decided to just overlook the issue (Moyes) with the hope that, by doing nothing, things would continue as they were. After that they decided to appoint a manager who doesn't want anyone to interfere with his work and stick an ex legend next to him while crossing fingers that the latter will eventually take over and relieve them of the responsibility of having to make any decisions regarding the footballing matters in the club.
If we truly wanted Guardiola, we would have laid the foundations for him from the moment we appointed LvG. All the leaks in the press about Woodward meeting him and trying to steal him from City's hands were just ridiculous, clickbait articles for a giant that's currently in shambles in the best case or bs leaked from the board to "mask" their decision to give the job to Giggs which would have been more saleable if LvG had done a better job at OT in the worst case scenario.
And that leaves us with Mourinho, the only top class manager available, in an appointment that, if it happens, will be like a relationship that's gonna have to travel through hell and back in order to work out. People talk about his tendency to park the bus against tough opponents, i'm just wondering what will happen if one week after his appointment he asks for, let's say, Cahill, whom he trusts, to build the defense around him and Smalling and lets Stones go elsewhere. The moment this gets out from the journos half of this forum will go berserk. Can a club get through situations like that?
If they manage to win the PL this season, they'll be favourites in my eyes to break the record of winning the title for four years in a row. From a neutral's pov i guess it'll be interesting to see what the "best manager in the world" can do with a blank check and if he can succeed where Mourinho failed at Chelsea and lead a sugar daddy club immediately to the top of Europe.
Nevertheless, this appointment shows how much City have progressed. From throwing money at Robinho's (of all people) feet just for the sake of getting someone and steal the headlines for a day or two and from that tasteless 'welcome to Manchester' sign for Tevez (which we barely cared about because where it mattered - on the pitch- we were dominant) to creating a very good side that's almost guaranteed a top two finish, to restructuring their whole academy system, to getting Guardiola and that feeling like a reasonable choice for both parties.
As for us, it's kind of depressing simply because over the last two and half years we look less like a football organization and more like a soap opera from the 80's. The fall of an empire, who will succeed Ferguson, the power battles within the club, the Giggs saga etc. And all of that because no one had planned the post Ferguson era. At first they (the board) decided to just overlook the issue (Moyes) with the hope that, by doing nothing, things would continue as they were. After that they decided to appoint a manager who doesn't want anyone to interfere with his work and stick an ex legend next to him while crossing fingers that the latter will eventually take over and relieve them of the responsibility of having to make any decisions regarding the footballing matters in the club.
If we truly wanted Guardiola, we would have laid the foundations for him from the moment we appointed LvG. All the leaks in the press about Woodward meeting him and trying to steal him from City's hands were just ridiculous, clickbait articles for a giant that's currently in shambles in the best case or bs leaked from the board to "mask" their decision to give the job to Giggs which would have been more saleable if LvG had done a better job at OT in the worst case scenario.
And that leaves us with Mourinho, the only top class manager available, in an appointment that, if it happens, will be like a relationship that's gonna have to travel through hell and back in order to work out. People talk about his tendency to park the bus against tough opponents, i'm just wondering what will happen if one week after his appointment he asks for, let's say, Cahill, whom he trusts, to build the defense around him and Smalling and lets Stones go elsewhere. The moment this gets out from the journos half of this forum will go berserk. Can a club get through situations like that?
So could I, if given that chance. I think Giggs has "only" managed four more games than me as well.