La Liga/Serie A/BuLi Draft - QF Enigma_87/Snow vs Aldo/The Stain

Who will win with player peaks in the specified leagues (not career peaks)?


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Angloma is final worthy.
Yes. He's the second best full-back on the park that's for sure.
I think Villa should get the best in that battle tho. As good as he was, Villa is simply better in that battle and one on one. Not saying Angloma is sheep or something of course, just I feel that Aldo/Stain could've upgraded on him in the reinforcement round with a more solid RB and there were options there.
The Reus upgrade was underwhelming given for example how you've strengthened. But I don't think Angloma was a priority to be upgraded - certainly not up against a diamond - he's probably the best La Liga right-back in the pool.
 

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But I don't think Angloma was a priority to be upgraded - certainly not up against a diamond - he's probably the best La Liga right-back in the pool.
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OK I think it's time for a tactical substitution as Schneider won't get much love in this match:

We bring in - Luis Gustavo in the DM position and move Conte up front to partner Modric in the middle. I think that adds more steel to the set up and provides bigger stage for our front three to shine.

@Tuppet can you update the op please when you have the chance.

 

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Angloma is final worthy.
Dare to disagree. He was 32 years old when he moved to Valencia. He's against prime Villa here. He'll get the better of him more often than not.
Have to agree with Enigma here, it was also right after he was done playing for the NT. I'd say though his experience might come in handy against the counter attackers.
 

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OK I think it's time for a tactical substitution as Schneider won't get much love in this match:



We bring in - Luis Gustavo in the DM position and move Conte up front to partner Modric in the middle. I think that adds more steel to the set up and provides bigger stage for our front three to shine.

@Tuppet can you update the op please when you have the chance.

Noo why not keeping Conte in that role and Gustavo as the LCM? He is much much more fitting for that role. Switch him and Conte and that's much better than what you had before.
 

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Here's a great game he had against Real to show for his defensive contribution.
 

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E/S's attack force is obviously very impressive. It's the only real selling point for me here, though. Don't buy Schneider in that role (which fecks up a lot), don't buy the defensive set-up. Don't buy many of the arguments offered either.

Aldostain's team is more cohesive and better suited to the stated tactical approach they've gone for.
 

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Noo why not keeping Conte in that role and Gustavo as the LCM? He is much much more fitting for that role. Switch him and Conte and that's much better than what you had before.
Have to say pondered about that and was on the edge. At the end updated with switched roles.

Anyhow, updated.
 

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A never-nude? I thought he just liked cut-offs.
OK I think it's time for a tactical substitution as Schneider won't get much love in this match:

We bring in - Luis Gustavo in the DM position and move Conte up front to partner Modric in the middle. I think that adds more steel to the set up and provides bigger stage for our front three to shine.
That looks miles better.
 

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I really think Gustavo would be better at LCM and Conte at DM.
Your call though.
It can be either way around IMO as both are capable in their roles, I agree with you, however, he'd be better in that leftish CM role in the end.
 

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That looks miles better.
I was pondering at starting him as well, but in the end and how the convo evolved I'm pretty sure that he'll be much better fit now, especially after hearing Aldo/Stain set up. I though they were going on counter pre-game, but IMO with this sub it will suit the team much better and underline our strengths also adding steel in midfield.
 

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E/S's attack force is obviously very impressive. It's the only real selling point for me here, though. Don't buy Schneider in that role (which fecks up a lot), don't buy the defensive set-up. Don't buy many of the arguments offered either.

Aldostain's team is more cohesive and better suited to the stated tactical approach they've gone for.
I've changed that midfield formation mate, I'd welcome any feedback from your side.
 

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The Reus upgrade was underwhelming given for example how you've strengthened. But I don't think Angloma was a priority to be upgraded - certainly not up against a diamond - he's probably the best La Liga right-back in the pool.
Have to disagree. Let's look at the other right backs - Cafu, Zanetti, Dani Alves, Reuter - clearly better than him. Juanfran IMO has shown over the last 4-5 years he's real quality, I'd probably take him as well. You can see how well he does for Atletico in a team that relies on defence. IMO he'd egde it over Valencia's version of Angloma. He was 32-35 at the time he had his best time in Valencia, surely that has to be taken into account?
 

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Very hard to judge. Looks very even to me. I'm just a very big fan of the midfield with Davids, the most bulldoggish (is that a word) midfielder I've witnessed live. Might also be some patriotism there, but I vote for Aldo / The Stain. 11 -11 game on.
 

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Dare to disagree. He was 32 years old when he moved to Valencia. He's against prime Villa here. He'll get the better of him more often than not.
Cafu was what, 33 when he moved to Milan? The age doesn't matter if you're playing good enough - and Angloma was a top RB at Valencia.
 

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A never-nude? I thought he just liked cut-offs.
Have to disagree. Let's look at the other right backs - Cafu, Zanetti, Dani Alves, Reuter - clearly better than him. Juanfran IMO has shown over the last 4-5 years he's real quality, I'd probably take him as well. You can see how well he does for Atletico in a team that relies on defence. IMO he'd egde it over Valencia's version of Angloma. He was 32-35 at the time he had his best time in Valencia, surely that has to be taken into account?
He was in the Cafu/Zanetti mould as an athlete though - the old bastard didn't slow down at all until way into his 30s.
 

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Have to disagree. Let's look at the other right backs - Cafu, Zanetti, Dani Alves, Reuter - clearly better than him. Juanfran IMO has shown over the last 4-5 years he's real quality, I'd probably take him as well. You can see how well he does for Atletico in a team that relies on defence. IMO he'd egde it over Valencia's version of Angloma. He was 32-35 at the time he had his best time in Valencia, surely that has to be taken into account?
Equally he was voted into the ESM team at age 34 and 35. Again if you can provide evidence that Angloma was no longer the force he was in his 20s then by all means go ahead. But it seems that the view of European journalists is very much in the camp that he was still a machine at Valencia and, for them, as good a right-back as anyone plying their trade in Europe. Like Cafu and Carboni, he did not seem to age. Or seemed to have a good five years' grace compared to other mortals.
 

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What a comeback from Aldo! From 4-8 that is. Feck, I was just getting ready to make a decision but I won't be the one to break the tie here, that's for sure. I think I'll abstain from voting, still can't decide what will be more important here - tactically spot on Aldo's team with a dominating midfield or individually brilliant Enigma's attack with 2 Ballon D'Or winners.
 

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A never-nude? I thought he just liked cut-offs.
That sub changes everything. Well played @Enigma_87
I voted for Aldo/Stain before the sub but Engma/Snow suddenly look far more balanced. The least convincing fit positionally Schneider is off, Conte's in a marginally better box to box role now, and Gustavo is a solid choice for covering Marcelo and the CBs.

I'm not sure if I can justify changing my vote this deep into the match though. Decisions, decisions.
 

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That sub changes everything. Well played @Enigma_87
How does it change everything? He subbed off a better player but gained some added balance. Still doesn't change our key points here. We still have the tactical battle in our favour.
Back on undecided. Sorry @Aldo @The Stain , the sub was good for him and I'm not sure it means he's winning but it's definitely looking better for him.
It's ok. Was very predictable that you'd change your tune.
 

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I voted for Aldo/Stain before the sub but Engma/Snow suddenly look far more balanced. The least convincing fit positionally Schneider is off, Conte's in a marginally better box to box role now, and Gustavo is a solid choice for covering Marcelo and the CBs.

I'm not sure if I can justify changing my vote this deep into the match though. Decisions, decisions.
I'm exactly in the same position but I just did retract my vote :lol:

To be fair, I did warn I'm not completely sure yet, and we're about the 65th minute so Enigma definitely has the time to equalise here, the question who will be first to score the second goal is the one I'm thinking to myself.. For now I'll remain with not voting either way. Sorry for the mess but it's a really hard game to decide ffs
 

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Equally he was voted into the ESM team at age 34 and 35. Again if you can provide evidence that Angloma was no longer the force he was in his 20s then by all means go ahead. But it seems that the view of European journalists is very much in the camp that he was still a machine at Valencia and, for them, as good a right-back as anyone plying their trade in Europe. Like Cafu and Carboni, he did not seem to age. Or seemed to have a good five years' grace compared to other mortals.
Well different player, more experienced but losing a bit of step. He had great engine being at the highest level but Cafu as an example played deep into his 30s in the Brazil's team as well racking up 143 apps and being Milan regular at 37.

He was good no question about it but I wouldn't take him before those 4 and probably Juanfran.
 

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How does it change everything? He subbed off a better player but gained some added balance. Still doesn't change our key points here. We still have the tactical battle in our favour.

It's ok. Was very predictable that you'd change your tune.
You don't have "the tactical battle in your favour", not entirely, because that sub offers him better players to sulk your pressure and release that front three to revenge your early goal, something he didn't get with Schneider he is really getting from Gustavo. Your midfield is equally if not even further better than his, but it's not the only factor at football matches.

Not sure what you mean when you say it was predictable, I feel like I've been contributing to the argument and very fair with both teams in my criticism, and it doesn't mean my vote won't go back to you eventually, just that I need further consideration.
 

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I voted for Aldo/Stain before the sub but Engma/Snow suddenly look far more balanced. The least convincing fit positionally Schneider is off, Conte's in a marginally better box to box role now, and Gustavo is a solid choice for covering Marcelo and the CBs.

I'm not sure if I can justify changing my vote this deep into the match though. Decisions, decisions.
Well given how much it is played and how long till the end I'd say this is exactly at HT kick off change :)
 

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You don't have "the tactical battle in your favour", not entirely, because that sub offers him better players to sulk your pressure and release that front three to revenge your early goal, something he didn't get with Schneider he is really getting from Gustavo. Your midfield is equally if not even further better than his, but it's not the only factor at football matches.

Not sure what you mean when you say it was predictable, I feel like I've been contributing to the argument and very fair with both teams in my criticism, and it doesn't mean my vote won't go back to you eventually, just that I need further consideration.
I think you've acted as a good middle-ground. Almost like a mod or whatever Chester wanted to introduce in an upcoming draft. I just hope you don't make the final decision late on is all. This game is a rollercoaster of emotions as it is :lol:
 

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I think you've acted as a good middle-ground. Almost like a mod or whatever Chester wanted to introduce in an upcoming draft. I just hope you don't make the final decision late on is all. This game is a rollercoaster of emotions as it is :lol:
Well it appears retracting your vote is a problem, so after voting initially I can't cancel my vote altogether I need to decide on one of you :lol:
And you're right, its not something to wait till the last minutes. I'll decide in the coming hour or two.
 

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Well it appears retracting your vote is a problem, so after voting initially I can't cancel my vote altogether I need to decide on one of you :lol:
And you're right, its not something to wait till the last minutes. I'll decide in the coming hour or two.
Well I think our sub negates our main deficiencies mentioned in the game which will probably have our attack as the deciding factor :) Up to you mate, whatever you think is best.
 

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Conte's in a marginally better box to box role now, and Gustavo is a solid choice for covering Marcelo and the CBs.
He changed their positions in a team sheet, Gustavo is a left midfielder now and Conte is back to the holding midfielder position (which I think is a mistake, Conte higher and Gustavo holding would've been better in my opinion)
 

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A never-nude? I thought he just liked cut-offs.
He changed their positions in a team sheet, Gustavo is a left midfielder now and Conte is back to the holding midfielder position (which I think is a mistake, Conte higher and Gustavo holding would've been better in my opinion)
Well that makes me feel marginally less guilty if I don't change my vote :lol:. Its not a huge issue but Conte was very good box to box and played as a wide midfielder too so it seems more logical to have Gustavo holding and Conte on the left.
 

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He changed their positions in a team sheet, Gustavo is a left midfielder now and Conte is back to the holding midfielder position (which I think is a mistake, Conte higher and Gustavo holding would've been better in my opinion)
We particularly need him to operate in tho that zone(Gustavo) to cover for that leftish zone where is Aldo/Stain better flank. Conte will be appreciated more centrally which IMO is the better all round situation and especially in this game. He'll be similar to what Gattuso did in the RCDM position for Milan in the set up that included Seedorf, Kaka and Pirlo as a base.
 

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Well that makes me feel marginally less guilty if I don't change my vote :lol:. Its not a huge issue but Conte was very good box to box and played as a wide midfielder too so it seems more logical to have Gustavo holding and Conte on the left.
Agreed. A good sub nonetheless.