Mourinho just explicitly said Rooney will never be a midfielder under him. Just because idiots like Moyes, Van Gaal and Hodgson did it doesn't mean Jose will.
Rooney was also playing well in the team which saw Rashford playing well though.
Van Gaal also said he saw Rooney as a striker and that was his natural position instead of the midfield. 6 months later he said the opposite.
Van Gaal also played Ashley Young up front.
Yes. That is why Van Gaal is now unemployed.
This here tells me the difference between him and van Gaal immediately.
It's his defenders on here who refuse to see his decline and insist he be played for the sake of it and accuse anyone of naysaying of having an "agenda". What about now retards? Hell I could probably name tag a few of them here but I won't.
Yeah, that's what I hated too. His threads were impossible to read or discuss after his few "good games" in midfield.
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Very true. Some of the excuses being made up for him were that he wasn't getting the service from the midfield.
Some posters definitely had, and still have, an agenda. I am talking about those posters that would say "ah good performance....but the opposition is shite, Rooney is shite, he gave away the ball once and he's shite" even when he had a good game.
That's why we've got Martial and Rashford upfront and Herrera, Mkhitaryan and co competing for no 10
The FA Cup Final was testimonial style?
Think that was the message Jose was sending to Rooney as well - no more special treatment, pull your fingers out and start performing where I tell you to play.
No, technically he's one of the worst. He would be able to cope with being slow if he was technically good but he can't make a good first touch if his life depended on it.
I liked this line a lot.
Technically Rooney is very average, his pace and acceleration was a huge part of what made him a top player.
Yes, i think its pretty telling that Mourinho gave such a clear and firm answer, when he could have easily said something along the lines of needing to evaluate options etc.
It actually doesn't. You refer to the people who do acknowledge a good performance whenever Rooney put in one but tempered it with criticism such as "but it was against poor opposition" or "still gave the ball away". Are those posters wrong for balancing their praise with skepticism? Have not they been proven right in that the further the competition went Rooney started to have little or negative impact? Can you blame them for being skeptical when Rooney has underperformed for the majority of the last three seasons? It's not like they didn't credit Rooney at all. It doesn't speak of an agenda when people still throw in skepticism when praising Rooney because he is more consistently crap than he is consistently good. Are they wrong to say he is still shite? When you look at the amount of games he HAS thrown in which are decent (and let's not even talk about the shiteously low standards for which Wayne is judged), it is fair to say that he is not a top footballer anymore. You sound like one of the crybabies who gets upset when Rooney doesn't get trophies for turning in a performance any other player would be expected to in his position.
I think what he really lacks is brains. He always seem to drop too deep and chase the ball when he doesn't need to.
We won't play Zlatan as a 10.
Maybe his post means he has an agenda. Don't pass it off as meaning nothing when you could easily label it an agenda. You're missing a trick there.
I'm lost to what his qualities are these days. When he was younger he could get away with running round the pitch and closing players down but he just can't do it anymore and he's noway near as technically gifted as Scholes or Giggs to change his game to remain a United player. This year will be his last if he makes it that far. Rooney wants to break the goalscoring record here, if he'd done it last season I think he'd have left.
Ivanovic's form fell off a cliff last season IIRC - he had been highly dependable in 14-15 and so it's understandable that Mourinho showed him excessive loyalty. Rooney has been under par for so long that it's no longer a debate around his form but a matter of unambiguous irreversible decline. I don't think Mourinho will side step the issue.
In his first years with us he was at par with Ronaldo. Then Ronaldo bulked up, he learnt to control his nature in dribbling himself out of the game and became world class. Rooney was never able to improve to that pace and he actually regressed once his pace and his workrate started to falter.
Also what if it is a different type of RB, that is Rooney's signature pass gone for a burton.
What a quote
That does my head in. In the Iceland game he hit a long ball out to Walker while under zero pressure and the commentator on Norwegian TV was waxing lyrical about the fantastic pass before it had even touched Walker's feet. Even if he had fecked it up and grossly overhit the pass it would have been fantastic just for the vision and creativity alone.I liked this line a lot.
Pundits always wank themselves silly when he makes one or two cross field passes and forget the 10 that he screws up.
Have we just hired a top manager or another pretender? If he is a top manager then he won't stand for the Rooney must play regardless of form nonsense and if he ain't and proceeds to shoehorn him into the side then he will follow the two pretenders that stunk up the place over the past three seasons.
I am saying anyone who can't call a spade a spade has an agenda. You can admit Rooney had a good performance without wanting him to be a part of Manchester United. That is my point.
I'm no Rooney fan but this isn't a question of effort. He gives it his all, he's just not physically capable anymore.
Well said, Sir, well said! It was the same trick that they used on the Giggs v Mourinho debate, if you aren't sentimental and have formed your opinion without being blinded by hero-worshiping you are a hater with an agenda.
