Decided not to post anything till LVG was out
....plus I am a lazy bugger.Pre-season friendly Manchester United - Borussia Dortmund
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....plus I am a lazy bugger.We lost more than we won under Moyes. Didn't help that they were flying all over the world. Japan, Sweden, Thailand, Australia. One good thing LvG did is make it known that the commercial demands were actually a hindrance thus pre-season camps are not so wide-spread anymore.
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Yeah...but you know why we go to China?....to spend 100 odd million on Pogba...it's business...and only two games...
We had a bad pre-season under Moyes, had a good one in LvG's first season.
Only pre-season and only our second game at that. Didnt watch it, just highlights though I have to say two of those Dortmund goals were superb and the penalty looked harsh.
Think it is good playing some of these tougher teams pre-season for a reality check and the best way for Mourinho to analyse who he doesnt want to keep.
I dont personally buy in to this "So and so couldnt flourish under LVGs system" though, for me, the system was only half the problem. The problem is the last three years we have paid out a lot of moneuy for players simply not good enough bar Martial, Shaw, DiMAria (didnt settle and moved out wide after starting well in the middle....why?) I dont think we have bought well at all when you look at the likes of Fellaini, Mata, Herrera and Depay costing way over £100m between them that says enough in itself. Mourinho may be a great tactician but there arent many of the current crop I can see really florusing yunder him, When he saud about 4 players it was because he knows he needs half a new team De Gea, Smalling, Shaw and though he is noweher ewhat he was Rooney are pretty much the only players who have looke dUnited quality since Fergie left and of all the money spent only one of those was actually signed in that period.
I actually think Mourinho will be playing some youngsters more than we expect this year. It was the one saving grace of Van Gaals reign yet the most talented ones didnt even play in Januzaj and Perrira. I think once he sees how direly average a lot of this squad are others will get chances, even Van Gaal saw that.....problem being he signed half of them!
If we sign Pogba, added to the three other incomings, we do thankfully have a squad to challenge for the title (though I still think we will be two players short) as the direly average are at least good squad players, all be it too many of them. Add that to the youngsters and Im quite optimistic for us the next two or three years but personally I still dont see any trophies this season.
Think it is good playing some of these tougher teams pre-season for a reality check and the best way for Mourinho to analyse who he doesnt want to keep.
I dont personally buy in to this "So and so couldnt flourish under LVGs system" though, for me, the system was only half the problem. The problem is the last three years we have paid out a lot of moneuy for players simply not good enough bar Martial, Shaw, DiMAria (didnt settle and moved out wide after starting well in the middle....why?) I dont think we have bought well at all when you look at the likes of Fellaini, Mata, Herrera and Depay costing way over £100m between them that says enough in itself. Mourinho may be a great tactician but there arent many of the current crop I can see really florusing yunder him, When he saud about 4 players it was because he knows he needs half a new team De Gea, Smalling, Shaw and though he is noweher ewhat he was Rooney are pretty much the only players who have looke dUnited quality since Fergie left and of all the money spent only one of those was actually signed in that period.
I actually think Mourinho will be playing some youngsters more than we expect this year. It was the one saving grace of Van Gaals reign yet the most talented ones didnt even play in Januzaj and Perrira. I think once he sees how direly average a lot of this squad are others will get chances, even Van Gaal saw that.....problem being he signed half of them!
If we sign Pogba, added to the three other incomings, we do thankfully have a squad to challenge for the title (though I still think we will be two players short) as the direly average are at least good squad players, all be it too many of them. Add that to the youngsters and Im quite optimistic for us the next two or three years but personally I still dont see any trophies this season.
No need to be globe-trotting. That's all. The coaching staff can only work with the players they have and while already in unfamiliar conditions it does no good jetting off here and there.
Bailley needs someone better than Jones next to him - Jones was awful.
But I think we still need a defender as Valencia/Darmian - Smalling - Bailley - Shaw/Darmian, or any of the youngsters is still not good enough.
Don't be daft, give some credit to Dortmund, a mix of their 1st team and back up players beat a mix of our 1st team and back up players, except our starting line up cost nearly €300m.
The "almost full strength" Dortmund side you're talking about will feature
- Reus
- Weigl
- Gotze
- Schurrle
- Guerriero
- Piszczek
- Burki
- Ginter
No I agree....but Woody knows that with a population of 1.5 billion or so and a large younger generation getting more addicted to the game, he needs to exploit it. Trust me, I have a Chinese wife...even she was saying I can have a contact to do replica shirts.....(jokingly) He needs to get in there. (although 4-1 defeat isn't the greatest advert!!)
We have yet again seen what we already knew before this game. We have a lot of average squad players like Rojo, Lingard, Jones and Herrera which won't be starters at this club at the start of the season and the players need to get used to playing together with Mourinho's tactics.
I don't know why there is all this kneejerk after such an obvious outcome.
I don't know why there is all this kneejerk after such an obvious outcome.
I miss the days when pre-season was turning up to the lower league dump up the road and dishing a beating...all without breaking a sweat.
Well i fell asleep so that continues 
Can't really take much out of such a game, our boys just didnt look match fit yet. Jones and Depay poor tho
Can't really take much out of such a game, our boys just didnt look match fit yet. Jones and Depay poor tho
This place is going to be epic if City give us a hiding on Monday.
Yeah...me to. I hate the co-operate world of football. I understand it...but hate it.
These games don't say much. Would probably lose a competitive game against Dortmund as well though. We're still LvG's team.
This didn't even seem a true reflection on our shit players.
I'm not too worried. Better players will be coming back and we will obviously get fitter/sharper.
It'll all work out in the end.
I'm not too worried. Better players will be coming back and we will obviously get fitter/sharper.
It'll all work out in the end.
The worst thing about it is you are basically losing precious preparation time while giging around these *growth markets*. But that's how it is nowadays. We are on a glorious US tour with Real, Milan and Inter, you guys are in China with Dortmund and City....
I actually think they will beat us!
This. Although Dortmund have been playing together and under their manager for a lot longer so are used to the tactics - but no doubt it was a weaker Dortmund side too as well as u guys
We had meh preseason friendlies under Moyes if you don't count Charity shield.
Anyway we would've lost vs Dortmund regardless, friendly or legit match. This team is still somewhat van Gaal's team and needed a lot of works.
Aren't they even further behind in preparation than us? Is there any chance that DDG might play?
Have they signed Schurrle already? And where will he play? Who will Goetze replace in their team?
We had our best two players missing in Dave and Martial. Not to forget our most important signing so far this season in Zlatan. Smalling was missing in defense while Shaw has just come back from a serious injury. I doubt anyone starting in our midfield will be starting our first PL game. So yeah, we had more players out than them.
When you add to that the fact that their team is so much further ahead in their preseason, then such a result should not be a huge shock. Considering that the first two goals were absolutely silly ones to give away with the third being a Rojo special, I wouldn't be too worried yet. We too had some really good chances if only Lingard could shoot and Depay could pass.
I also mentioned that Dortmund are one of the finest teams in Europe. I think you should read the whole post before spouting off.
Zlatan
Martial
Pogba (or any midfielder we will buy)
Smalling
DDG
That is five already. Plus there is a case to be made for Schneiderlin instead of Blind. Rojo will never be playing (most likely to be sold) while Young won't be on the right wing.
Is that enough?
People have some bizarre worries here over the most trivial of things. Imagine if City beat us on Monday! We will have a proper meltdown.
I think they are further behind in their preparations - but if Jose puts out a shit team like he did today, they will certainly beat us. I did think before the Dortmund game that we would lose tbh - as Jose was saying he's not playing any of those who were at the Euros. Not quite sure why they can't play, as England and Spain were knocked out early - so what's he saving them for?
In any case, I think if Jose continues with most of the players he selected today, we'll lose to City even though they might not be as 'fit'.
http://www.bvb.de/News/Uebersicht/Borussia-Dortmund-verpflichtet-Andre-Schuerrle
Do you think they've signed Schurrle and Gotze not to play them as 1st team players or are you just trying to back up your mistaken point that they played nearly a full strength team against us? Neither team were at full strength, I'm not sure why you're ranting about Depay's passing or Lingards shooting.
There will always be whining when we lose. But it will be soon forgotten when the real season starts just like last couple of years' pre-season celebrations.
They have played 4 games, we have plaYed 1. We beat madrid and barcelona last two years in pre season. Hell we neat barcelona in pre season aftet being thrashed by them in champions league final.
Madrid and barca were 1 week behined us and it showed, we are 3 games behind Dortmund, with a new manager and most of our starters not playing. we had 2 players who should be starters in the season who are new to their team mates.
Lets just put all of that in context and stop complaining. The real test will be when we play Leicester in community shield As that will show our form and quality.
Madrid and barca were 1 week behined us and it showed, we are 3 games behind Dortmund, with a new manager and most of our starters not playing. we had 2 players who should be starters in the season who are new to their team mates.
Lets just put all of that in context and stop complaining. The real test will be when we play Leicester in community shield As that will show our form and quality.
Because if you see have seen the game, you will see Depay missing a simple pass with 3 United players in the clear and in front of goal while Lingard was clean through and he fluffed his chance as usual. Such fine margins considering the mistake for our first two goals.
And yes, there is no guarantee that Goetze/Schurrle will be an automatic starter for them. Unless you have some sort of statement from Tuchel to back your comment.
These things happen in your first pre season game, I doubt the lads have even been doing any technical stuff in training yet so stop getting so worked up about it. They've been doing a lot of stamina building and working at their repeat sprint ability, not passing and finishing drills.
Well I'm sure you can figure out Dortmund wouldn't have signed either of them for a combined €50m or so if they didn't have plans for them
. Don't bet on Adrian Ramos starting many games on the lift wing
, free advice for you.I think Schürrle will end up in his usual role as impact sub/rotational player once they have everyone on board again. Götze though must fail hard to not be in the starting line up as a #10. He offers too much creativity in the centre to be overlooked by Tuchel. He stated in a presser being very excited about Götze's signing.
It is true however, that Dortmunds first 11 are less carved in stone than Utd's. The overall performance level of their players 12-17 is much closer to the first 11 compared to Utd.
I'd say the safe starting bets not playing today were their FBs (Guerreiro, Piszczek), Weigl, Reus & Götze.
Game means nothing.
We'll see how we do against Leicester in the shield. More training, more preparation. Players more acclimated to the manager's style. And more of our first XI featuring.
We'll see how we do against Leicester in the shield. More training, more preparation. Players more acclimated to the manager's style. And more of our first XI featuring.
Pre season means jack fecking shit. Two years ago, we won this mighty cup and followed by winning 3 of our next 11 (including MK Dons).
By Caf logic we shoulda won the treble after last summers pre season
Absofcukinglutely but no lets sell half our players over a pre season game against a top quality side who are a few weeks fitter.
The result wasn't that surprising, Dortmund have played way more matches than us and it really showed. It's a shame because it's always nice to win even if it's only a friendly but the conditions over there will help the players.
It must have felt like playing in a sauna while running up Everest.
This is what the most realistic of us think.