Seriously feel you overestimate papers nowadays.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
I think you seriously underestimate them. The Daily Mail is the most visited English language newspaper website in the world! They have 225 million unique visitors each month!
They've basically pulled us out of the EU singlehandedly with their crazy 'reporting' of Brussels over the years. It was a fringe, slightly looney, idea to leave the EU, until the right-wing press basically ran a never-ending campaign against the EU for the past decade or so.
I don't think it's possible to win an election if the press are completely against you. A solid media strategy ('spin' in other words) is essential in modern politics.
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The age of the internet has actually made newspapers far more powerful than they have ever been. The Daily Mail never had a readership of more than 2.5 million in the age of the printed press. That they now have 225 million unique monthly visitors to their website tells you all that you need to know.
How does it all fit together? The Mirror bought MEN from the Guardian, right? But the Guardian is itself still independent?
This whole story about a Corbyn aide (facilities manager)'breaking' into an office of someone who resigned a month a go now is just absurd.
Is that really something that needs taking to the media like this MP did? It says something when the tory leadership campaign is run in a more civilised and less petty manner.
I look forward to tomorrow's peice on how Corbyns PA ate the last sandwich that someone else had called dibs on.
Is that really something that needs taking to the media like this MP did? It says something when the tory leadership campaign is run in a more civilised and less petty manner.
I look forward to tomorrow's peice on how Corbyns PA ate the last sandwich that someone else had called dibs on.
The majority of visitors are American. And that's for the celebrity gossip.
What a surprise, it was Karie Murphy.
The number of UK visitors is still massive and gives them far more reach than they had pre internet. People may well go on for celebrity gossip but it makes them far more likely to click on other stories and come to rely on the paper as a news source.
The Guardian is independent, yeah. They've chosen their Red Tory Anti-Corbyn narrative all on their own.
I am shocked.
The defining image of the 2015 election was someone eating a sandwich. Britain left Europe against the wishes of all but one major party and every expert.
There are probably quite a few empty offices - or offices that should be empty. Maybe someone should round up some of the homeless people from Milton Keynes who's tents were destroyed by the local council and put them up until things are sorted out and the MPs get back to doing what they should.
I have to say I'm disappointed in the Guardian. Worse, the BBC! That's an institution, or corporation, that I have praised glowingly many, many times. They do such a fantastic job, on the whole. Their treatment of Corbyn shows they're slipping, and slipping badly. I would certainly expect them to report more accurately and fairly than they did.
I still can't believe the rebellion picked Angela Eagle and Owen Smith 
Part of me almost wants the abstainers to succeed just to see the PLP rally around those two charisma vacuums and claim that they're now more electable.
Part of me almost wants the abstainers to succeed just to see the PLP rally around those two charisma vacuums and claim that they're now more electable.
What's this taken from?I have to say I'm disappointed in the Guardian. Worse, the BBC! That's an institution, or corporation, that I have praised glowingly many, many times. They do such a fantastic job, on the whole. Their treatment of Corbyn shows they're slipping, and slipping badly. I would certainly expect them to report more accurately and fairly than they did.
I am sceptical. I can't see the aisle in the BBC shot represented in the larger shot.
whoever wants to lead the country must offer a vision and path that helps ordinary people.
I found it somewhere surfing thru twitterland. Why?
Edit: Found it...
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I quite like his new logo, looks a bit like a gas company's but better than Owen Smith's 70s typeface.
They were at the Lowry Theatre. These image from another event might help. Aisle doesn't go all the way down
BBC are under political pressure to be biased against Labour and Corbyn.I have to say I'm disappointed in the Guardian. Worse, the BBC! That's an institution, or corporation, that I have praised glowingly many, many times. They do such a fantastic job, on the whole. Their treatment of Corbyn shows they're slipping, and slipping badly. I would certainly expect them to report more accurately and fairly than they did.
From who?
Labour
May rhyme with Lem-Fly-Drive.
Was interested to know the context of the story and the narrative they were attempting to create.
It's increasingly becoming par for the course with the Beeb.
I'm sceptical about this but... Have seen a few things on twitter that suggest the rebel MPs will force annual leadership elections until JC goes or they get deselected. Obviously, that would hand the Tories the GE. I hope it's bs.
Edit: Oh hell! It was reported on Thursday and I missed it... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...r-of-attrition-to-force-him-out-a7149086.html
Edit: Oh hell! It was reported on Thursday and I missed it... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...r-of-attrition-to-force-him-out-a7149086.html
Corbyn has repeatedly endorsed this idea. I'm not sure it's a very good one, however.
Source? It would seem stupid.
Well thanks. It does seem stupid though.
Both Corbyn and Smith are in safe Labour seats.
Corbyn, in Islington North, increased his share of the vote for Labour in each of the two most recent elections, getting 54.5% in 2010 and 60.2% in 2015, up from 51.2% in 2005, but well short of his (and Labour's) best results for the electorate in history of a staggering 69.3% of the vote in 1997.
Smith, in Pontypridd, got 38.8% in 2010 and 41.1% in 2015. The electorate has always voted Labour. Never in history have Labour had a lower %age of the vote than in those two elections.
Smith is running because Labour under Corbyn is deemed by the PLP to be "unelectable", yet he won more votes in the leadership contest than anyone in the history of the party.
Corbyn, in Islington North, increased his share of the vote for Labour in each of the two most recent elections, getting 54.5% in 2010 and 60.2% in 2015, up from 51.2% in 2005, but well short of his (and Labour's) best results for the electorate in history of a staggering 69.3% of the vote in 1997.
Smith, in Pontypridd, got 38.8% in 2010 and 41.1% in 2015. The electorate has always voted Labour. Never in history have Labour had a lower %age of the vote than in those two elections.
Smith is running because Labour under Corbyn is deemed by the PLP to be "unelectable", yet he won more votes in the leadership contest than anyone in the history of the party.
Membership's only a small portion of the overall electorate, though. Being electable to members doesn't necessarily translate to the wider public. Still though, the party has continually and relentlessly tried to sabotage any chance Corbyn's had of being electable. Kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Even ignoring the absurd logic, it's not even true. Go have a look at the dreaded Blair's election in '94.
In share of the vote terms, it's worse than Smith and Kinnock (twice). And prior to Kinnock, it was only MPs that elected the leader.
But yeah, All Hail Corbo and all that.
Sigh. I'll ignore the "ignoring the absurd logic" dig. I'll have to be more careful with this sort of thing though, and you're right to pick me up on it. Blair did get more votes in '94 as there were vastly more trades union member votes.
It is difficult to directly compare the results from 1994 with 2015. Different times, different demographics, different rules. There were a lot more union members at the dawn of New Labour (around 780k in 1994) than in their wake (70k in 2015) and he only had two opponents (as Brown had made a pact to step aside) while Corbyn had three. Also, the rules were different, with the massive number of union members' votes being afforded the same weight as the meagre number of PLP votes in 1994.
What is relatively similar in the two elections is what was called the "Constituency Labour Party" in 1994 and split between "Party Members" and "Registered Supporters" in 2015.
Blair got 100,313 votes from the Constituency Labour Party (which were afforded equal status with votes from the Affiliates and PLP).
Corbyn got 121,751 from Party Members and another 88,449 from Registered Supporters.
Had there been 780,000 union members eligible to vote for Corbyn I think it's reasonable to assume he would have got something like the 57.61% he got when there were only 70k.
Edit: Oh yeah... In case you missed it, my point was that Corbyn has shown much more ability to win votes than Smith has to date, in any measurable way.
Have you been to Islington? Inanimate carbon rod would win an election if it ran as a Labour MP.
You can't compare national electability by how well an MP's done in their own seat - the country's too diverse and divided for that.
The only measures we have to compare are where they've won votes previously. It's not much, but it's all we have to go on. Corbyn has done well. Smith has, in each of the two elections he stood in, got the lowest votes ever recorded in his constituency.
Smith ran in 2005 as well but lost (different constituency though). He was known as "Oily Smith" in that campaign, apparently because he seemed a bit of a shifty one.
In that case we should get Stella Creasy in as leader post haste, she got an even higher level of support in 2015 than the MP in the '97 landslide.
Of course, she's also one of those rightwingers.
I missed Owen Smith claiming he's going to have an ethical foreign policy.
Yes he said the Iraq war was "a noble endeavour" and last week voted in favour of reloading Britain's nuclear holocaust launchers but he's going to be ethical starting...now...no wait...now.
Yes he said the Iraq war was "a noble endeavour" and last week voted in favour of reloading Britain's nuclear holocaust launchers but he's going to be ethical starting...now...no wait...now.