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Done.
Both could be considered stoppers or conventional central defenders. Ruggeri was great in the air and more of a physical defender who liked to stuck in. You can say the same about Ferrara(worse in the air of course). Both would work fine alongside a sweeper in Scirea/Passarella mold.Both very good teams, first thought.. not sure about Puskas on left wing but Tuppet's side looks tactically spot on. Ferrera and Ruggeri, are they both considered physical or is one more of a sweeper/
I understand your concern. He won't play as a winger but as a left-footed 'second striker'.Both very good teams, first thought.. not sure about Puskas on left wing but Tuppet's side looks tactically spot on. Ferrera and Ruggeri, are they both considered physical or is one more of a sweeper/
He does not have an attacking brief though. As noted in the tacticInitial thoughts, these teams are great. I do have a slight tactical issue with Marzolini attacking brief next to Passarella. It limits the latter to foray forward unless you're left open at the back. We must remember he had an incredible goalscoring record for a CB.
The arrow merely shows that when provided with space Marzolini is more likely to move forward than Djalma Santos, who would be making a third defender on the pitch. I have selected both Marzolini and Djalma as 2 of the most balanced fullbacks specifically keeping Passarella's propensity to move forward.A normal defensive line, with Marzolini & Santos playing defense first full back roles
Giordano was a forward known for being the Serie A Top scorer in 1978-79. The Ma-Gi-Ca has wonMA-PU-KA: THE NAME OF THE ACHELMY BETWEEN THREE TOP-SCORERS
MA-PU-KA UPGRADED VERSION OF THE 'MAGICA'
Careca moved from Brazil to Italian Serie A champions Napoli, where he was part of the "Ma-Gi-Ca" forward lineup: Maradona + Giordano + Careca.
Who is more box-to-box than Tardelli? Tardelli is very similar to Keane and other "defensive" box-to-box midfielders in his style. Bonini, Furino etc were defensive midfielders and Tardelli was an all-action midfielder with a decent goalscoring outputFor downcast team I'd prefer more of a box to box player instead of Tardelli
I can see the rationale for Tuppet dropping Laudrup for Matthews. A ballsy move but an interesting one given Stan's intricacy and the potential to skip past Carlos at times (nowhere near to the extent suggested in the OP in fairness, but a potential route to goal regardless). My memories of Tardelli were that he was a box-to-box player, and really Downcast's midfield looks near perfect in supporting Maradona.From first glance I really like both teams.
For downcast team I'd prefer more of a box to box player instead of Tardelli while for tuppet I'd have Schneider on the right and Laudrup in the middle. I can understand the decision behind dropping Laudrup to give an extra width, but Schneider is perfectly capable of providing that, albeit inferior player.
More of an attacking goal threat than Tardelli or in other words someone like Robson, Vidal, etc.Who is more box-to-box than Tardelli? Tardelli is very similar to Keane and other "defensive" box-to-box midfielders in his style. Bonini, Furino etc were defensive midfielders and Tardelli was an all-action midfielder with a decent goalscoring output
Thanks, thought so. Such an idiot, I misread the lineups at first glance and thought they're playing together. Both defensive partnerships look damn good.. top top quality sweepers paired with well reknowned stoppers.Both could be considered stoppers or conventional central defenders. Ruggeri was great in the air and more of a physical defender who liked to stuck in. You can say the same about Ferrara(worse in the air of course). Both would work fine alongside a sweeper in Scirea/Passarella mold.
I can see the rationale for Tuppet dropping Laudrup for Matthews. A ballsy move but an interesting one given Stan's intricacy and the potential to skip past Carlos at times (nowhere near to the extent suggested in the OP in fairness, but a potential route to goal regardless). My memories of Tardelli were that he was a box-to-box player, and really Downcast's midfield looks near perfect in supporting Maradona.
Yeah, smart move - it gives Sir Stan even more gravitas on that teamsheet.I love the fact he's added 'Sir' to Matthews. we have a knight on the pitch.. beat that.
Yeah, Tardelli was a warrior on the pitch, an elegant one on top of that (For example, Matuidi is not 'elegant' with the ball despite his work rate).Who is more box-to-box than Tardelli? Tardelli is very similar to Keane and other "defensive" box-to-box midfielders in his style. Bonini, Furino etc were defensive midfielders and Tardelli was an all-action midfielder with a decent goalscoring output
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/18622/6097485Marco Tardelli
Tardelli operated as a first-class defensive midfielder for Italy. The battling player, who was famed for is tireless running, claimed World Cup glory in 1982 as the Azzurri saw off Germany. Overall, he featured on the world stage 13 times, scoring twice - one of those strike famously coming the final and followed by a marvellous celebration.
Agreed. In terms of British midfield pairings, it is arguably the best pairing not just of the 80s but possibly all time. If you added bobby Charlton in front of them two, it would be perfect.I like Souness and Robson too though in fairness. That was pretty much the dream midfield partnership that British football could have conjured up in the 1980s. Terry McDermott was a bloody good player, and Robson shares many of the same qualities but ramps it up a couple of notches.
Just etiquetteI love the fact he's added 'Sir' to Matthews. we have a knight on the pitch.. beat that.
I don't suppose anyone can keep him quiet at his peak but that would not be because of a lack of discipline though. The need of a purely holding midfielder is an overly stated point in these drafts when the likes of Robson and Souness have had so much success playing in 2 man midfields and no Makelele to partner them with. For example -Agreed. In terms of British midfield pairings, it is arguably the best pairing not just of the 80s but possibly all time. If you added bobby Charlton in front of them two, it would be perfect.
My worry for Tuppet is that as good as his team is tactically, Monti and Tardelli are absolutely brilliant and also proven at international level, not to mention their roles are better defined i,e. ones a clear DM, one is a clear B2B and to top it off, they have Diego Maradona in front of them which would mean that Robbo and Robson would really need to be disciplined to try and keep him quiet and personally I don't think they would be able to.
There is no man marking Maradona if thats what you are asking. But yeah of all of them are aware of his genius and would work their bollocks off to harry him off the ball as soon as possible.@Tuppet
To what extent are your midfield going to look after maradona? is it all 3 or any combination of 2?
OK fair enough. I was misinterpreting his arrow. That said I would prefer a more of a Djalma on the left too to allow Passarella to do as he sees fit but if you did that it would keep Stoichkov wider than is ideal.He does not have an attacking brief though. As noted in the tactic
The arrow merely shows that when provided with space Marzolini is more likely to move forward than Djalma Santos, who would be making a third defender on the pitch. I have selected both Marzolini and Djalma as 2 of the most balanced fullbacks specifically keeping Passarella's propensity to move forward.
Well I kinda disagree that you need 2 Djalma Santos on full back positions to accommodate Passarella. I would equate the role of Marzolini here similar to the role of Tarintini in his world cup squad. If memory serve correctly in Fiorentina he used to have Carboni on left and Gentile on right, again a fairly similar lineup to what we have here. When attacking on the left side Stoichkov has the choice to cut inside and when there is that space on left any of Marzolini, Robson or Schneider would fill it in. Thats how I envisage the attacking to go from that side.OK fair enough. I was misinterpreting his arrow. That said I would prefer a more of a Djalma on the left too to allow Passarella to do as he sees fit but if you did that it would keep Stoichkov wider than is ideal.
I think that's right and my team can surely do worse than having Stanley Matthews as primary creator but I am not sure why Stoichkov is anonymous in this set up when he is likely facing the weakest defender on the pitch ?I like tuppet's midfield, in terms of tenacity it's as good as you're likely to get. I think Robson and Souness in serie A teams when Maradona was at his best would have helped him be somewhat less brilliant. Scirea and Brown Vs Stoichkov and Romario is the interesting match-up for me, the only thing is if your team wanted to get creative tuppet, it would have to be through stanley matthews as it's not going to come from that midfield 3. I could see stoichkov being a little bit anonymous in this set up.
welk maybe not anonymous . Wes brown is obviously the weakest player on the pitch ( IMO) so if you attack him often , Matthews won't be put to as much good use . The lack of a creative force in the middle means you don't have someone playing forward who can mix it up in terms of feeding stoichkov/ Matthews .I think that's right and my team can surely do worse than having Stanley Matthews as primary creator but I am not sure why Stoichkov is anonymous in this set up when he is likely facing the weakest defender on the pitch ?