Our Rivals' squads next year - Manchester City (2016/2017)

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Maybe I am jumping the gun on him being better in the Premier League but my opinion isnt based off of one season in Ligue 1 its based on his entire career and his playing ability. The type of goals he scores, his range of goals from free kicks to headers to tap ins to driven shots from miles out, his link up with the players around him, the leadership he shows and the skillset on show when he has the ball at his feet.

In my opinion he is simply a better player than Aguero and I think youll find many people who share that opinion.
He's a brilliant player who has scored some breathtaking goals throughout his career, there's no doubting that. Nobody is trying to deny it either. He's been a world class striker for the majority of his career. If you looked at a goals highlight reel of Ibrahimovic and then one of Messi, you'd think the former was the superior player. Aguero's just a different kind of player, he may not score as many screamers as Ibra but he offers different qualities.

That's your opinion, and it's absolutely fair enough. I have no issue with anybody who thinks Ibra is a better player than Aguero, I don't agree with them but it's not an unreasonable opinion. What I couldn't accept is that you stated that he was "nowhere near" Ibrahimovic, as if he's a nothing player.

You'll find many people who think Aguero's better, too. You'll find very few who think he's nowhere near Ibra.
 

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By who? :lol:

The third best player in the world was pretty quiet when he played against a partnership of Otamendi and Mangala last season, a couple of defenders who no doubt are also utter shit in your eyes. Using Ibrahimovic's stats in the French league for PSG against Aguero's in the Premier League during a season where the best side City beat were Southampton is ridiculous.
Wait. I don't think he was the third best player in the world but I remember Ibra scoring v you lot, missing a 1 v 1 and having a goal disallowed in the second leg. Hardly quiet now.
Anyway if people are using last CL Aguero was shocking. Didn't he only have 1 shot on target in all of the knockout games? ( or some equally ridiculous stat)
 

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I'd take Aguero just about, but you'd be hard pressed to argue either is very far ahead of the other one. I reckon Jose would take Ibra and Pep would take Aguero if given the choice.
 

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Honestly my combined Manchester XI would be

David de Gea
Sagna Kompany Otamendi Shaw
Gundogan Pogba
Mhikitaryan De Bruyne Martial
Ibrahimovic
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Smalling is fitter and less injury prone than Kompanhy but Kompany is a much better centre back. Otamendi is good too but didn't have a great season last season, think he'll be great under Pep. Not sure about full-backs but I'd have Sagna and Shaw because the alternatives are Darmian and Clichy. Gundogan is also very talented when fit, better than Carrick, Schneiderlin, Yaya etc. Pogba is better than them too. Martial on the left but Sane and Nolito both are good players. De Bruyne is better than Mata, Silva or Rooney and Ibrahimovic for me is better than Aguero but Aguero is world class. I'd also have Guardiola over Mourinho but it is very close.
Ibrahimovic is better than Aguero
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I meant Ibrahimovic isn't better than Aguero
 

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Wait. I don't think he was the third best player in the world but I remember Ibra scoring v you lot, missing a 1 v 1 and having a goal disallowed in the second leg. Hardly quiet now.
Anyway if people are using last CL Aguero was shocking. Didn't he only have 1 shot on target in all of the knockout games? ( or some equally ridiculous stat)
Ibra was awful in the two legs against City as well. City's CB's are also not great so tells you all you need to know about his performance
 

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Wait. I don't think he was the third best player in the world but I remember Ibra scoring v you lot, missing a 1 v 1 and having a goal disallowed in the second leg. Hardly quiet now.
Anyway if people are using last CL Aguero was shocking. Didn't he only have 1 shot on target in all of the knockout games? ( or some equally ridiculous stat)
He was invisible. Watched both legs and forgot he was playing at times. He scored because Fernando kicked it against him and it bundled in, it can barely be attributed to Ibra.

Both were very quiet, to be fair.
 

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For a lot of that Champions League campaign, Aguero was unfit. He suffered horribly with injuries last year. Anyway, Ibra did have a better season than Aguero, but that doesn't make him the better player overall.
Ibra played 80 more mins than Aguero. Ibras impact was simply more over the competition.
 

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Zlatan was pretty crap against both City and Chelsea. Perfect example of why goals aren't everything.
 

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Wait. I don't think he was the third best player in the world but I remember Ibra scoring v you lot, missing a 1 v 1 and having a goal disallowed in the second leg. Hardly quiet now.
Anyway if people are using last CL Aguero was shocking. Didn't he only have 1 shot on target in all of the knockout games? ( or some equally ridiculous stat)
He scored after Fernando kicked the ball against his shins and it went into an empty net. Missing a one on one is hardly a good thing, quiet in the context I used it can basically be synonymous with generally playing poor, he also saw his penalty saved by Hart. At the Etihad he admittedly had poor service but whenever he got the ball Mangala and Otamendi's very aggressive approach to dealing with him was effective and he never got a chance to get involved. As for Aguero, I never claimed he was the third best player in the world last season.
 

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---------------De Gea---------------
Bellerin--Koscielny--Kompany--Shaw
-------Kante----------Pogba-------
Mhikitaryan--De Bruyne--Hazard
---------------Aguero---------------

My combined XI from those squads, nice to finally have more than just DDG making it into these made up XI's
Would probably have Sanchez on the right over Miki
 

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Last year Ibrahimovic was considered the third best player in the world, now he signs for United suddenly he looses a bunch of ability? no chance. Hes a different player to Aguero but if you are comparing them as strikers, purely goal-scoring players, Goal-scoring ability Ibrahimovic is still one of the best in the world and has season after season of top numbers, He is bigger, stronger, more skillful, has better control of the ball and is more agile even at 34 than Aguero, Aguero is only faster.
Who considered Ibra third best player in the world? Your summary of Aguero is crazy. You make out he's some sort of speed demon with no end product.
 

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Sanchez plays on the left mostly. I think he would not be that effective on the right. KDB on right and Ozil as CAM would be better though.
Sanchez best position is actually RW. He's played the same position at Udinese, Barcelona & for Chile.
 

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Sanchez plays on the left mostly. I think he would not be that effective on the right. KDB on right and Ozil as CAM would be better though.
You would be surprised. hes just as good on left or right, probably one of the best goal scoring wingers in the league at the moment. Would be the first wide player on my list for any team left or right
 

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People criticize Zlatan's CL record, perhaps rightfully so but Aguero's been pretty woeful outside of England for 5 straight years. He's had awful Copas, World Cups & CL campagins yet always seem to get a pass.


He was a complete non-factor last season and I'm still not convinced he can play as a lone striker either. His best seasons have all come paired with another CF (Dzeko, Negredo, Tevez, Forlan) while always he's struggled as the sole #9. Ibra's versatility seems to be underrated on here, he can play at an high level as a 9, 9.5 or even a 10.

Ultimately I think they'll score a similar amount this season but Ibra will obviously create more goals because he's an elite playmaker while Aguero's quite limited in that aspect. Injuries over the years have also severely impact his speed & dribbling which was his major advantage over defenders, he's a lot easier to mark now.
 

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People criticize Zlatan's CL record, perhaps rightfully so but Aguero's been pretty woeful outside of England for 5 straight years. He's had awful Copas, World Cups & CL campagins yet always seem to get a pass.


He was a complete non-factor last season and I'm still not convinced he can play as a lone striker either. His best seasons have all come paired with another CF (Dzeko, Negredo, Tevez, Forlan) while always he's struggled as the sole #9. Ibra's versatility seems to be underrated on here, he can play at an high level as a 9, 9.5 or even a 10.

Ultimately I think they'll score a similar amount this season but Ibra will obviously create more goals because he's an elite playmaker while Aguero's quite limited in that aspect. Injuries over the years have also severely impact his speed & dribbling which was his major advantage over defenders, he's a lot easier to mark now.
Didn't he score 3 against Bayern that got City through and against Barca in the CL?

Problem with him is he's always injured or coming back from injury. If he wasn't so injury prone he could be a Balon D or challenger because his goal record is up there with anybody not named Messi and Ronaldo.
 

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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

That's all I've got to say about the Aguero not being close to Zlatan and is it some sort of joke and Zlatan third best player in the world posts, crazy.
 

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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

That's all I've got to say about the Aguero not being close to Zlatan and is it some sort of joke and Zlatan third best player in the world posts, crazy.
Better than Neymar and Suarez apparently:lol:
Whilst Playing in a poor league and playing in a team that got knocked out in the CL by a team that only just managed 4th place in the PL
 

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I would take Aguero over Ibrahimovic. The only thing that would make reconsider is that Ibrahimovic would probably be available for more matches
 

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People criticize Zlatan's CL record, perhaps rightfully so but Aguero's been pretty woeful outside of England for 5 straight years. He's had awful Copas, World Cups & CL campagins yet always seem to get a pass.


He was a complete non-factor last season and I'm still not convinced he can play as a lone striker either. His best seasons have all come paired with another CF (Dzeko, Negredo, Tevez, Forlan) while always he's struggled as the sole #9. Ibra's versatility seems to be underrated on here, he can play at an high level as a 9, 9.5 or even a 10.

Ultimately I think they'll score a similar amount this season but Ibra will obviously create more goals because he's an elite playmaker while Aguero's quite limited in that aspect. Injuries over the years have also severely impact his speed & dribbling which was his major advantage over defenders, he's a lot easier to mark now.
Not true at all. Aguero's best season in a City shirt goals-wise was when he played as a lone striker in the 2014/15 season. 26 league goals, won the Golden Boot, 6 goals in 7 CL games. Not sure you can say he has had awful European campaigns either, 21 goals in 37 games for a City side that often under-performs is pretty good going. 19 in 38 for Atletico too.
 

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Ibra was awful in the two legs against City as well. City's CB's are also not great so tells you all you need to know about his performance
Ronaldo wasn't very good against city in the second leg (didn't play the first). There are many instances of the top top top players not turning up against lesser defences. Players, even messi, can have a run of a few bad games against poor opposition.
 

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Aguero over Ibra? 50 goals last season and Aguero's injury record hmmm interesting. .
Aguero is NOT better than Ibrahimovic, is this some sort of joke? Not even close in all honesty. He regularly gets benched for the likes of Higuain, ADM & Messi for a reason internationally.
Honestly my combined Manchester XI would be

David de Gea
Sagna Kompany Otamendi Shaw
Gundogan Pogba
Mhikitaryan De Bruyne Martial
Ibrahimovic
(Guardiola)​
Ibrahimovic for me is better than Aguero but Aguero is world class..
Since the Aguero VS Ibrahimovic comparison cropped up, yeah there's no comparison Ibrahimovic simply destroys Aguero in all stats (Over a similar amount of mins played and one more game for Ibra)
Aguero is no where near Ibrahimovic, sorry, thats just a fact.
Last year Ibrahimovic was considered the third best player in the world, now he signs for United suddenly he looses a bunch of ability? no chance. Hes a different player to Aguero but if you are comparing them as strikers, purely goal-scoring players, Goal-scoring ability Ibrahimovic is still one of the best in the world and has season after season of top numbers, He is bigger, stronger, more skillful, has better control of the ball and is more agile even at 34 than Aguero, Aguero is only faster.
:lol::lol::lol: Thank you Martials & co, it's been a long day.

Glad some have seen sense on this debate and shot you down.
 

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:lol::lol::lol: Thank you Martials & co, it's been a long day.

Glad some have seen sense on this debate and shot you down.
Well you seem to have ignored the bit where I say Aguero is world class whereas the others are saying it's not even close between them. But yeah anyone with a different opinion to you isn't talking sense.
 

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At their best on a one off game, there probably is nothing between them. At their best over a season for what theyve done, aguero has a lot to do to reach Ibras best. At the moment, it has to be Aguero if you were making a team because of his age and him being a lot quicker. No doubt ibra is still class but Aguero, even if he is injury prone, is a better player. Ibra right now has changed his game to keep his effectiveness while losing other aspects of his game, so they will probably score a similar amount. Does not mean he is a better player at 35 then prime aged Aguero.
 

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Memories are really short in football. Aguero was Suarez like a couple of years ago. Both him and Ibra are unplayable on their day. I would still take Aguero over Ibra if I was to decide today.
 

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You think Aguero is better? Based on what?
Based on watching Aguero, for the last 5 years, absolutely destroy the Premier League (which is apparently the toughest league in the world, and the most physically demanding).

He scores a goal within every 110 minutes of PL football. That's better than Henry (122), and Nistelrooy (128), and everybody else to ever play in the league.

The man is just tailor made for football here and he's consistently proved it, and will continue to do that.

Happy to make you a bet - loser gets banned from the forum - that Aguero scores more than Ibra next year. Even if he's injured for 15 games it'll be close.

Edit: I should clarify goals in the PL only, god knows who you'll come across in the Europa League. :smirk:
 

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You can't really make a comparison when they are at different stages of their career. For me, Aguero is just an absolute joy to watch but I would rather have Ibra in my starting XI. But then it is a lot closer than people think. Ideally, I would have them both.
 

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At their best on a one off game, there probably is nothing between them. At their best over a season for what theyve done, aguero has a lot to do to reach Ibras best. At the moment, it has to be Aguero if you were making a team because of his age and him being a lot quicker. No doubt ibra is still class but Aguero, even if he is injury prone, is a better player. Ibra right now has changed his game to keep his effectiveness while losing other aspects of his game, so they will probably score a similar amount. Does not mean he is a better player at 35 then prime aged Aguero.
Yeah, pretty much this.
 

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I would take Aguero over Ibrahimovic. The only thing that would make reconsider is that Ibrahimovic would probably be available for more matches
I'd take Zlatan, purely due to the injury record.
 

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Thinking Zlatan is better is fair enough. The real crime here is thinking Zlatan was the 3rd best in the world last season.
 

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Based on watching Aguero, for the last 5 years, absolutely destroy the Premier League (which is apparently the toughest league in the world, and the most physically demanding).

He scores a goal within every 110 minutes of PL football. That's better than Henry (122), and Nistelrooy (128), and everybody else to ever play in the league.

The man is just tailor made for football here and he's consistently proved it, and will continue to do that.

Happy to make you a bet - loser gets banned from the forum - that Aguero scores more than Ibra next year. Even if he's injured for 15 games it'll be close.

Edit: I should clarify goals in the PL only, god knows who you'll come across in the Europa League. :smirk:
Im not even a full member yet!

Ill acceot the bet but change the winnings if Ibra scores more I will have my username changed to:

KunDestroysIbra

Vice verse if you lose? So IbraDestroysKun?

Little bit of friendly spice to the season would go down well :devil:
 

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A banning isn't worth a stupid bet, guys. :nono:

Still remember how Aguero was targeted last season, someone took him out, deliberately went after his knee, i don't like City or Aguero, but you can't do that, should have been a long banning and not this nonsense over some lines on Twitter...

I'm a bit disappointed with Aguero, have seen him play for Argentina and in the CL, in most games he was very poor. He's a good goal scorer in the Premiership, but apart from the goals in the Premiership and the movements, i don't see much.
I take Ibrahimovic any day of the week, football is about personality and brain, Ibra is doing okay on both fronts...currently reading his book again and maaan i like his book so much...:drool:
 

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A banning isn't worth a stupid bet, guys. :nono:

Still remember how Aguero was targeted last season, someone took him out, deliberately went after his knee, i don't like City or Aguero, but you can't do that, should have been a long banning and not this nonsense over some lines on Twitter...

I'm a bit disappointed with Aguero, have seen him play for Argentina and in the CL, in most games he was very poor. He's a good goal scorer in the Premiership, but apart from the goals in the Premiership and the movements, i don't see much.
I take Ibrahimovic any day of the week, football is about personality and brain, Ibra is doing okay on both fronts...currently reading his book again and maaan i like his book so much...:drool:
Why don't you like Aguero?

'Apart from his goal in the PL i don't see much':lol::lol:
The level of posting these days is so poor...I don't think I have read anything so ridiculous. The main reason he is paid by his employer is to score goal in the PL:lol: