Anyone like the coat he was wearing yesterday, he's dressing a lot better than he did at his second stint at Chelsea.
Jose Mourinho's Utd
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Why do people keep complaining about squad rotation? It's almost impossible to keep everyone happy, yet people keep harping on about this bullshit.
Last year, we were complaining about changing the first XI almost every game, and now we've virtually played the same XI two games in a row, people are complaining again. Honestly, what the feck?
Last year, we were complaining about changing the first XI almost every game, and now we've virtually played the same XI two games in a row, people are complaining again. Honestly, what the feck?
Because they don't....
Literally, nobody on the last page has complained about the squad rotation. Only suggested we should rotate for the EL/LC
You guys look a different beast under Mourinho, super organised and using the ball quickly. Haven't quite gelled in the final 3rd yet but Zlatan has hit the ground running and that will keep you racking up the points till you do.
There is also a United feeling back about you guys thats hard to explain, kind of a swagger/arrogance and its worth 10 points a season alone. Only two games in but you guys look like the team adapting best to the new systems so far. Mourinho won't rotate alot, he'll pick his best team and play it where possible and that has worked for him for years.
There is also a United feeling back about you guys thats hard to explain, kind of a swagger/arrogance and its worth 10 points a season alone. Only two games in but you guys look like the team adapting best to the new systems so far. Mourinho won't rotate alot, he'll pick his best team and play it where possible and that has worked for him for years.
My bad!It is great to enjoy watching United again. I work weekends and I'm usually in a bad mood about working when all my friends are out together enjoying themselves but today I'm going to work buzzing, non stop grinning, crazy how a football club can affect your mood. I'm so excited about this team, we played really well could have won by more and you can tell a few pieces are yet to fall in place so we'll only get better.
I think he will rotate more than most of us expect.
Especially on the rw, where Lingard, Mata and Mkhitaryan are very different players, and offer different things vs different opponents.
Same more central, where we got Pogba, Fellaini, Carrick, Schneiderlin, Herrera who all are good players, and some will suit some teams better than others, depending on how opponent's usually play.
I'm pretty sure Depay will get quite alot of matches on the left, and Rashford up front when he wants more pace.
Zlatan is good, but he can't play 60 matches a season his age.
Defensively it is always best to keep the same back 5, but Smalling and Blind are very different players, and I will not be surprised if those two and Bailly, who is still very young, will be rotated a bit aswell.
There is a reason why he decided to go with 23+3 in his squad instead of his usual 20+ , and i don't think it is because he wants more players in the stands during matches.
On squad rotation, I'm a big fan of what Mourinho's doing in his interviews where he keeps letting it be known that he hasn't forgotten the other members of the squad and that he can't wait till Septemeber when the fixtures pile up and he can give everyone minutes. Excellent squad morale management when the easy thing for him would be to just focus on praising Zlatan and co.
Yea its great to make statements like that until time comes for it and then we gonna see was all lies and bs.I doubt it but its weird one,if i remember correctly,in Chelsea he was pushing for CC with same/similar players he uses in PL games. Think in one season he didnt change much in last CL game where everything was settled in group.Remember media crying for that English young player to get a chance etc.
I think Zlatan is well able to play most games in a season, the guy really does look after himself and knows his body. Sure he might miss a game or two but he'll play every minute he's available in the premier league and whatever Jose wants to go for as well. He may sit out EL games unless you guys make the business end and possibly CC games. Jose is not one for radical team changes depending on opposition, he knows his system and set up, what his players bring and will build to suit.
Depay and Rashford will play but sparingly. No way a fit Zlatan sits out a premier league game for Rashford in any way shape or form. He may rotate Mata and Mkhitaryan now and midfielders will rotate but 90% of games will be his strongest team. It's Jose's way and he won't change if just because he's at United. Consistent team = consistent results.
So far, I would say: Mourinho brought some (positive) tension back into the team. No more apathy or only work to rule but some shimmering atmosphere. However, we have only played 2 (3) games.
I love how he is letting Pogba having complete freedom. Pogba will thrive with that. Excellent management
Also, is it just me or does Rooney seem to be playing more as a second striker than an "attacking mid"? A technicality I suppose, but still..
Also, is it just me or does Rooney seem to be playing more as a second striker than an "attacking mid"? A technicality I suppose, but still..
I like what mou is doing to up the confidence at the club. Usually he's confident but not this "optimistic" or vocally happy if that makes any sense. He sees the depressive rut we've all been in (especially the players) and is like feck it, im going to be 100% positive in everything I say and do. In a way he's overcompensating in the early period to get us back to the optimal level of morale the club needs.
If I was to nitpick I just miss having wingers that hug the line and just whip in a solid cross. That said, if we keep playing like we have been I'm going to love this season!
That's the sort of rotation we've been accustomed to at Utd under Fergie. The odd spot here and there, usually one (two at the most) selection change(s) per match to keep the squad fresh and intact for the season. The best players would play every game.
What I'm intrigued about is the kids situation next season, if as is hoped, Januzaj and Pereira impress on loan and come back wanting games. TFM and CBJ should hopefully be a year further along in their development too and ready for game time as well.
Good individual performances.
Still we have to take the game more to them, we can't have less than 50 % possession at OT (where we want to get that fear factor back) against midtable teams.
Still we have to take the game more to them, we can't have less than 50 % possession at OT (where we want to get that fear factor back) against midtable teams.
"Take the game more to them"
Southampton will probably finish near 6th place (their last 2 season rankings: 6, 7).
So, to make out that Southampton are chumps who we should've bossed around like they are relegation fodder, is illogical.
We have played only 2 league games so far. LVG played for 2 full seasons and couldn't beat Southampton at OT, especially by 2 goals.
I realise that some think that Jose is the best manager in the World...I do too, but even the best manager in the World needs about half a season to have the team playing like he wants.
After 2 games, we have 100% record, with a goal difference of +4.
LVG was unable to achieve this in 2 seasons. Jose is achieving these stats in his first season.
Be patient.
Re: Possession
We have had heaps of possession for the last 2 seasons and it was boring, tiresome and ultimately resulted in LVG getting sacked.
If you want high possession, watch some replays from last season. That home game against PSV (0-0) is a nice example. Watch that and I promise you, you wont be wanting any more possession based football. LVG got sacked because of that.
After the last 2 seasons, why would anybody crave for high possession stats?
I'm super happy. Best potential we've had since 2008
Not possible with Europa League, it's obvious the priority is the league and there's no way he'll be playing the likes of Zlatan, Pogba, Martial on Thursday night before a big away game on the Sunday.
people need to grasp that you get the fear factor by beating teams even in 4th gear. Not by dominant, high possession games
Because it's criminal imo to not have the ball more against all teams apart from maybe a couple of exceptions at OT.
No one is saying we should adopt LvG 's possession style and have 70 % possession with only 1 chance created.
However I prefer to see United as one of the biggest clubs to mostly have 50 % + possession AND create chances especially at OT.
Yes, to me its not about the actually possession number, I don't care about the stat, but the fact that its happening high up the pitch around our box. I hope we don't plan to spend the season defending so deep. Despite what Mourinho said, they had a couple of chances they could have put away if they weren't so toothless. Encouraging, and I am very excited for the potential this team is showing currently, but I hope we can impose ourselves more and reduce the opponents chances.
Curious where people think CBJ will play.
He won't take Shaw's spot, and i doubt he'll ever get ahead of Bailly, Smalling, or even Blind, TFM or Tuanzebe in the pecking order as CB.
He looked ok while Shaw was injured, but i just can't see him ever being a starter for us.
Not surprised if he moves on in a season or two, unless he is fine with being 2. 3. choice in some position.
I wouldn't be happy with sitting back and absorbing pressure against City or Liverpool, let alone Southampton! Big teams should not be happy doing that at home against anyone. Also why are you comparing it to the LvG's regime? We were nowhere near good enough then but that doesn't mean that we should be happy with anything remotely better. You're making it sound like after 3 years of underachievement, we're supposed to just be happy with whatever is served.
This is a very strange logic. So everything LvG believed in and tried to implement is inherently wrong? LvG's problem was his failure to apply his ideas. That doesn't mean that everything under him was wrong. If you look at the best teams past and present, the majority of them DO control possession and play further away from their goal. That's including our best teams. Playing that close to De Gea and inviting pressure is nothing to shout home about especially at Old Trafford. It's the opposite of aura and authority.
Yup. As he came out I was thinking "he's one classy bastard"
And of course he's dressing better - he's at a proper big club now
I hope United fans don't develop a phobia towards possession football like you appear to have. There's nothing wrong with it when the possession is productive. Under van Gaal, United's possession was ponderous and pedestrian.
Regarding rotation - for the defence I don't think we should.
If we could select our preferred back four, have them play together every match and remain fit, that in itself would be fantastic.
If we could select our preferred back four, have them play together every match and remain fit, that in itself would be fantastic.
It feels like the 2004/2005 team vibe.
Jose's style is more direct, to get the ball forward as quickly as possible, he is not a possession manager. When he beat guardiola's Barca they dominated possession, but Madrid won the match on fast counters, Barca were almost invincible but he found a way to beat him overloading the midfield, like he did at Bayern and now at City. Mourinhio just kept the ball bouncing or in the air, basically long ball. And overrode the packed midfield and took advantage of Madrid's height advantage.
Point is Mourinho plays different way for different situations. Possession is secondary to winning.
Point is Mourinho plays different way for different situations. Possession is secondary to winning.
Don't know if its a Mourinho team trait/instruction, but i do worry when Shaw and Valencia drift/pinch in centrally and leave space on the wings for the opposition to possibly use.
It may be a case of allowing the opposition the option and we are confident of closing it down or dealing with any balls in due to our aerial power.
It may be a case of allowing the opposition the option and we are confident of closing it down or dealing with any balls in due to our aerial power.
The same as Alex Ferguson. They are two pragmatic managers. I think the lack of possession is overstated though. Like Mourinho said, their "closed diamond" is very good for keeping possession. I think it will be a different game if we play a more conventional team at Old Trafford.
I can hardly give a feck about possession as long as we're winning. Possesssion football isn't even that attractive, I much rather see a counter-attacking side like Chelsea's during 2003/2004, Mourinho's Madrid and SAF's United (especially during the Ronaldo-Tevez/Berba-Rooney days)
Well still you would want to play possession football after you are leading though especially at home. I don't think letting the other team have all of it is never a good idea even if you have a defense of prime versions of rio, vida, gary and pat. The other team just needs a fluke or a break to score or it gets nervous especially against good teams. Not that we don't have good enough players to play it.
I think jose will work on it.
I think jose will work on it.
This, I think possession football is boring, I preferred the treble winning Bayern side over pep's. His Barca side, had Messi to excite.
I think exciting football is us in 99 and Mourinho's Madrid side, it was like a well oiled machine
Idk where to post this so I'll put it here on the chance that it is in the wrong thread. It is about how I think the team selection will look after the transfer window has closed and how everybody will be used.
Jose told in one of his pressers that the ideal size of his team would be 23 field players and 3 goalkeepers
Wilson is loaned to derby
Januzaj is loaned to Sunderland
McNair and Love have been sold to Sunderland
CBJ is very close to a loan to wolves
Blackett is close to a permanent transfer to Reading
Will keane has been told he is up for sale for £1m
Pereira has been told he has a United future but Mourinho wants to loan him out this season
So I'd say we currently have the following selection of players:
GK: DDG, Romero, Johnstone
DEF: Valencia, Darmian, Shaw, Rojo, Jones, TFM, Bailly, Smalling, Blind, Tuanzebe
MF: Carrick, Schneiderlin, Herrera, Schweinsteiger, Fellaini, Pogba
Attack: Ibra, Rooney, Rashford, Mata, Mkhitaryan, Lingard, Martial, Depay, Young
Which is 25 outfield players and 3 GK
I think Jose doesn't like the look of Schweinsteiger, Jones and Rojo in his team and all 3 of them might still be going either on permanent deals or on loans. I also think José still wants to sign another experienced CB and that will most likley be Fonté. Which is exactly 23 outfield players and 3 goalkeepers
Which would give the following team selection:
A-squad
---------------------------DDG----------------------------
Valencia----------Bailly--------Smalling-----------Shaw
----------------Fellaini----------Pogba-------------------
Mkhitaryan--------------Mata-----------------Martial
-------------------------Ibrahimovic-------------------
B-squad
-------------------------Romero-------------------------
TFM-------------Fonté----------Blind------------Darmian
---------------Schneiderlin----Herrera-------------------
Lingard------------------Rooney--------------Depay
--------------------------Rashford-------------------
Reserve: Johnstone, Tuanzebe, Carrick, Young
With ofcourse alot of versatility:
-TFM can also play CB or CDM
-Blind can also play LB orCDM
-Darmian can also play as RB
-Pogba can also play as CAM
-Rooney can play as striker or CM
-Mkhitaryan can also play as CAM
-Mata can play as RW
-Young can play as LW/RW/CAM
-Rashford can play as RW
-Depay can play as CAM
-Lingard can play as LW/CAM
-Martial can play as striker
Which looks to be a very good team selection with quality options, a good mix between experience and youth and a variety of player profiles.
Jose told in one of his pressers that the ideal size of his team would be 23 field players and 3 goalkeepers
Wilson is loaned to derby
Januzaj is loaned to Sunderland
McNair and Love have been sold to Sunderland
CBJ is very close to a loan to wolves
Blackett is close to a permanent transfer to Reading
Will keane has been told he is up for sale for £1m
Pereira has been told he has a United future but Mourinho wants to loan him out this season
So I'd say we currently have the following selection of players:
GK: DDG, Romero, Johnstone
DEF: Valencia, Darmian, Shaw, Rojo, Jones, TFM, Bailly, Smalling, Blind, Tuanzebe
MF: Carrick, Schneiderlin, Herrera, Schweinsteiger, Fellaini, Pogba
Attack: Ibra, Rooney, Rashford, Mata, Mkhitaryan, Lingard, Martial, Depay, Young
Which is 25 outfield players and 3 GK
I think Jose doesn't like the look of Schweinsteiger, Jones and Rojo in his team and all 3 of them might still be going either on permanent deals or on loans. I also think José still wants to sign another experienced CB and that will most likley be Fonté. Which is exactly 23 outfield players and 3 goalkeepers
Which would give the following team selection:
A-squad
---------------------------DDG----------------------------
Valencia----------Bailly--------Smalling-----------Shaw
----------------Fellaini----------Pogba-------------------
Mkhitaryan--------------Mata-----------------Martial
-------------------------Ibrahimovic-------------------
B-squad
-------------------------Romero-------------------------
TFM-------------Fonté----------Blind------------Darmian
---------------Schneiderlin----Herrera-------------------
Lingard------------------Rooney--------------Depay
--------------------------Rashford-------------------
Reserve: Johnstone, Tuanzebe, Carrick, Young
With ofcourse alot of versatility:
-TFM can also play CB or CDM
-Blind can also play LB orCDM
-Darmian can also play as RB
-Pogba can also play as CAM
-Rooney can play as striker or CM
-Mkhitaryan can also play as CAM
-Mata can play as RW
-Young can play as LW/RW/CAM
-Rashford can play as RW
-Depay can play as CAM
-Lingard can play as LW/CAM
-Martial can play as striker
Which looks to be a very good team selection with quality options, a good mix between experience and youth and a variety of player profiles.
If you want to control possession, play like Barca, Bayern and PSG, don't hire Mourinho.We've got our man, he's off to a good start doing his usual thing, asking for a possession game now is mental.
I know its not popular here. But I hope Jones is given this season to prove he can be valuable to us.
Jose can play possession football. He served his apprenticeship at Barca after all, but he is also very much horses for courses in his approach and if the match dictates he cedes possession in order to win, he will. It's nothing different to Fergie's later sides from 2005 onwards, tbh.
Wanted by Stoke. He's on his way out IMO, him and his fellow nuthead Rojo who actually seems to be ahead of Jones in the pecking order
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...anchester-united-transfer-news-stoke-11778371
I hope im wrong in this case but I'm still not convinced that Mourinho will put a lot of faith in a young striker to lead the line. I feel like Zlatan will extend for one more season and when he does leave Mourinho will buy another experienced striker for the main number 9 spot.
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