I don't just mean last night I mean in every pre and post match interview / press conference he's had since he arrived at United - he looks thoroughly depressed. I can't remember the last time I saw him smile. Is managing United really that bad? He should be happy! Can someone really motivate players like that? What happened to the mischievous / glint in the eye Jose of old?
Why is Jose so miserable these days?
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He was the same at Chelsea last season as well. Lost his sense of humour.
Don't know what to post.. either
Because Rooney
Or
The Miserable One
Because Rooney
Or
The Miserable One
Isnt his father sick? That could be a reason.
Maybe he actually is suffering from depression.
He is definetly not in a Klopp-mood
Wouldn't you be having to shoe horn Rooney into the team... knowing full well it could cost you the job and there is nothing you can do about it.
Plus he lost to the politics at Chelsea and Madrid.
Plus he lost to the politics at Chelsea and Madrid.
That's what worries me.
As soon as he got back to Chelsea the second time I noticed he had lost his joie de vivre, i think it started when he was at Madrid. It does seem to be getting worse tho, by my calculations he'll have died from grumpiness by 2021.
Watch his interview after we beat Hull 1-0. He was elated then.
He is miserable generally though, I agree.
I don't think he looked bad before the shitshow we saw last week. Since that started he admittedly hasn't looked good but it's understandable. I think before that he had the look of a man who wanted to get on with the job and keep winning games instead of joking around.
He's been this way for a while now. Looked proper sick at times last year at Chelsea.
He's been this way for a while now. Looked proper sick at times last year at Chelsea.
That last stint at Chelsea will have been painful for someone so competitive. The only way he'll be happy again is when he's managing a winning football team. Which means we'll all be happy again too.
Yes I noticed this, he looks tired and sounds a bit down, but then I suppose I would be when the realisation of just how big the job is going to be is there before your eyes every 90 minutes when many of the players are, in no way, playing to their full potential. Also, I suppose, he can't be up and 'over the moon' when we have just beaten a League One side 3-1...it's kind of expected really with the amount we spend and our position as "richest club in the world!".
He said before he started, he knew what the fans wanted and expected - it's not really happening the way he probably planned. I'm sure he's not sleeping that well at the moment. However, win the next three home matches and he'll probably be doing interviews while doing a Fandango....as will the fans....
He said before he started, he knew what the fans wanted and expected - it's not really happening the way he probably planned. I'm sure he's not sleeping that well at the moment. However, win the next three home matches and he'll probably be doing interviews while doing a Fandango....as will the fans....
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It definitely did. The question is why it happened. I think it was easy to get players at Porto, Chelsea or Inter to run through the wall for him. There he also had full support from the management and his ego was pampered all the time by everyone around him, including the media.
Then came Madrid, a totally different animal. Initially it worked (he had full support from Perez), but eventually the high up's started asking questions, he couldn't cope with the players ego's any more and he didn't have the answer to the fact that he's not bigger then the club. After years of me myself and I it was a new situation for him. It was all a bit too much and it fecked him up.
Now he's at the club of the same stature and he watches Rooney and sees Casillas face and it's all probably coming back to him. If you want to see a happy Mourinho I think your management will have to stand by him when he decides to axe Rooney or any other player that he thinks is bringing turmoil into the dressing room. Whatever it takes, or it will slowly develop into another Madrid scenario.
Been miserable since the Madrid job, especially after the Casillas stuff.
He always had Perez' support is what I thought, even now Perez is still a fan.
I would go a step further and say hes looked miserable for 3 years now. from when he took the Chelsea job the second time around. he looks tired and battle worn. even their title winning season they limped over the line and mourinho was really defensive in the media.
I've noticed this too. Pre match, during games, post match and even in some shots on the training pitch.
I want to see the b*stard version of Mou. The one we saw at Inter and Real
I want to see the b*stard version of Mou. The one we saw at Inter and Real
He's just older now. High level/pressure management can make you age faster.
That is the general sentiment, but Real Madrid is not a one man show and there's fans who hate him with passion. Bringing him back would be setting a time bomb with a very short fuse.
Yes, very. Mourinho takes every opportunity to fly back to Lisbon to be with him. That's been going on since May 2015.
He's been like that ever since he left Madrid. Guess his ego was dented.
Part of the problem I think is that he just isn't as successful as he was back in the days. Mourinho was at his best from 2003 until 2012, he was this mr. perfect (or special one) who lost very very few games and had this insane record where he didn't lose a single league game at home between February 2002 and April 2011. Since then he's become more and more human, he lose a lot more games nowadays, and he isn't as great tactically anymore, probably because football has become more attacking since his glory days, where a lot of top matches were overly tactical games that usually finished 0-0 or 1-0 to one of the teams.
People making big deal of Mourinho's non-presser last night - United also promised herrera to the press but pulled that one as well.
Sounds like they just wanted to get out of there
Sounds like they just wanted to get out of there
You have to to remember that there was no part of him that was inclined to return to Chelsea. It was a marriage of convenience. He was convinced that he was going to be Ferguson's successor - weren't we all? I'd imagine it's rather difficult to pick yourself up and go again in a job that you'd sooner not have taken. Particularly after a bruising time at Real Madrid.
By all accounts he isn't miserable. I imagine he's just feeling the pressure. And maybe self-doubt has crept in. Perhaps this is a bigger task than he first thought. Our shortcomings have also been exacerbated by City going off like a train. He knows he can't afford for this to get away from him. If (when?) we see an upturn in form and United genuinely look capable of winning every game they play, I expect we'll see a more relaxed Mourinho.
Everyone involved needs time and stability. Champions League football would help too.
I'd imagine it's to do with some sort of personal/family issues outside the game. That or he only found out about the clause in Rooneys contract that means he has to play every game after he had already agreed to be our manager.
He's just bored of the games with the press I think.
He's lost some battles over the years which is inevitable and it's made him think twice about being so cocky again.
A bit wiser to it all I guess.
He's lost some battles over the years which is inevitable and it's made him think twice about being so cocky again.
A bit wiser to it all I guess.
As mentioned above, his father is very ill which I would of thought is the main reason.
Also, Jose is at his best when he is winning, his last season at Chelsea was a disaster and we have hardly started on fire - why would he be happy? I would be worried if he was - just managing Man Utd isn't enough for him.
Also, Jose is at his best when he is winning, his last season at Chelsea was a disaster and we have hardly started on fire - why would he be happy? I would be worried if he was - just managing Man Utd isn't enough for him.
I remember Moyes always smiling after defeats. Now that was one happy man
Number of reasons..
1) Father being ill - been mentioned already but his dad has had brain surgery and this has then been followed by a pnuemonia setback. for any person who is close to their parents this is a devastating blow.. but for a guy like Jose, his career is non existent without his father's influence.
2) Hasn't won the champions league in 7 years and not likely to for some time..
For a guy who has had the ambition of being the best manager of all time, it must be a huge blow to not have made the three cup mark yet and a greater blow still to see someone like Carlo get to the three cup mark first.
3) Deification of Pep - Mourinho always had something against Barca, but Pep has become the human symbol for all his hatred for Barca and then some. It must irk him hugely to know that Pep is combining both winning/beautiful football, is adored by the media, is possibly tactically ahead of him as a coach and could win more CL's than him. Until he is vanquished.. no way can Jose be happy.
4) Marital frustrations/location issue.. we know he has had affairs in the past. Being away from the missus and cooped up in a hotel, his family all the way in London. I am doing the same thing, am in London with family back in Birmingham and it does eat away at you.. you don't feel settled. He needs to get his wife to come to Manchester.
5) Hasn't had full control of a team since Inter - this is a big one, arguably the biggest one that has wore him down. He's gone from total control at Porto, strong control at Chelsea (although this wasn't quite complete control - he must have thought it was an anomaly), total control at Inter.. to barely any control at Madrid (you can't ever get total control at a club like that) and then to another lack of full control situation at Chelsea (where incidentally, I don't think he actually wanted to be there.. it was the United job he really wanted). It must irk him that being such a proven manager when he is given full control, that at this stage of his career he still has to fight to be given full control.
6) The Rooney situation/squad situation - No doubt that he is fully aware of this situation but he must be annoyed that he is having to be political and play a game. Contrary to beliefs, whilst Jose is a master at playing mind games and getting what he wants eventually.. in reality, he is a simple guy and very meritocratic. He just wants to be able to pick what he considers the best XI for United. If he feels his hands are tied in any way, which they are currently.. he will feel aggrieved.
7) Not knowing if he still has it - this must also be playing on his mind. In his heart of hearts, he probably believes in point 5, that he hasn't been given a proper chance for a long while to build his own team with his type of characters/players. That said there must be that element of fear that maybe the problem is him and not the situations he finds himself in. He can't afford to think like that, because then he basically isn't the special one anymore.
1) Father being ill - been mentioned already but his dad has had brain surgery and this has then been followed by a pnuemonia setback. for any person who is close to their parents this is a devastating blow.. but for a guy like Jose, his career is non existent without his father's influence.
2) Hasn't won the champions league in 7 years and not likely to for some time..
For a guy who has had the ambition of being the best manager of all time, it must be a huge blow to not have made the three cup mark yet and a greater blow still to see someone like Carlo get to the three cup mark first.
3) Deification of Pep - Mourinho always had something against Barca, but Pep has become the human symbol for all his hatred for Barca and then some. It must irk him hugely to know that Pep is combining both winning/beautiful football, is adored by the media, is possibly tactically ahead of him as a coach and could win more CL's than him. Until he is vanquished.. no way can Jose be happy.
4) Marital frustrations/location issue.. we know he has had affairs in the past. Being away from the missus and cooped up in a hotel, his family all the way in London. I am doing the same thing, am in London with family back in Birmingham and it does eat away at you.. you don't feel settled. He needs to get his wife to come to Manchester.
5) Hasn't had full control of a team since Inter - this is a big one, arguably the biggest one that has wore him down. He's gone from total control at Porto, strong control at Chelsea (although this wasn't quite complete control - he must have thought it was an anomaly), total control at Inter.. to barely any control at Madrid (you can't ever get total control at a club like that) and then to another lack of full control situation at Chelsea (where incidentally, I don't think he actually wanted to be there.. it was the United job he really wanted). It must irk him that being such a proven manager when he is given full control, that at this stage of his career he still has to fight to be given full control.
6) The Rooney situation/squad situation - No doubt that he is fully aware of this situation but he must be annoyed that he is having to be political and play a game. Contrary to beliefs, whilst Jose is a master at playing mind games and getting what he wants eventually.. in reality, he is a simple guy and very meritocratic. He just wants to be able to pick what he considers the best XI for United. If he feels his hands are tied in any way, which they are currently.. he will feel aggrieved.
7) Not knowing if he still has it - this must also be playing on his mind. In his heart of hearts, he probably believes in point 5, that he hasn't been given a proper chance for a long while to build his own team with his type of characters/players. That said there must be that element of fear that maybe the problem is him and not the situations he finds himself in. He can't afford to think like that, because then he basically isn't the special one anymore.
Wow, great response! I didn't know about his Dad so that must be part of it
Although, all this makes me wonder if we made the right appointment as we must have known all this at the time - hopefully he can turn it around
He lost at Chelsea because he was shit
People reading too much into it... You could have bet no one thought of this before the derby... He was always saying and doing the right things according to the caf and one bad week, everyone is like now a mentalist!!!!
Definitely appears jaded to me, hopefully it'll pass with the continued support of the fans.
He's lost the arrogance, confidence and swagger he had at Chelsea. He no longer speaks his mind, and what we're essentially seeing is a watered down, sedated, child-friendly PG version.
Sad to see, but I have faith in him to turn it around.
He's lost the arrogance, confidence and swagger he had at Chelsea. He no longer speaks his mind, and what we're essentially seeing is a watered down, sedated, child-friendly PG version.
Sad to see, but I have faith in him to turn it around.
@Raees Surely he has more control at United than he is ever likely to get anywhere else? Surely this should be a reason for him to feel relatively satisfied?
To be fair, a lot of people mentioned this during his very first press conference - before a ball had been kicked. So it's a valid question.
This.
We aint winning the title this year, no doubt.
If he was laughing and joking we would all say "he's laughing whilst we are shit, he's taking the piss"
I nearly made this thread last night after looking back at some of his old press performances when at Chelsea the first time. I guess it's just a sign of getting older, we all get more miserable 