[Red Dreams]

well...we were robbed.

4-1 would have been the correct score.

From those days , I hate these cnuts.

"Glad all over "

 

[Ali Dia]

Going forward we will have Miki instead of Rooney in there. There will be proper competition for places in the attack again.
Hopefully we can get someone else scoring a few goals apart from Zlatan and we are away with it once it clicks. We just need more momentum so one bad result doesn't mean it's back to square one again for the squad mentally. They are starting to believe and perform much better. We have some class players here. Glad we are finally starting to see it.

We have the makings of the first really good united team in ages and a manager who knows English and European football at the highest levels. Things are finally starting to look good again.

 

[Z_Wolf]

My point is that wether it cost us anything in the end or not, his performance should be judged the same. To flip it from the other side; Is his pass to Zlatan better because it ended up being a goal? Would it not have been just as good a pass if Zlatans shot went wide?

Clearly, you don't like Pogba. He was phenomenal today. It would have been 2 assists, had Rooney scored as well.

 

[Tincanalley]

Was a close call between Pogba and Carrick for MotM here but Pogba gets it as he got the goal and game winning assist. We were very good overall I thought, the 20 minute spell after half time until we conceded the only bad part but still dominant aside from that. Rashford I don't see the point of these days, he needs a spell out of the side. Just loses the ball every time he touches it these days. No complaints about anyone else really.

Yeah, Carrick was amazing tonight.

 

[donkeyfish]

Good points, goes a way to prove i might overemphasize his poor contributions. I still think people put too much value on the, randomly or not, match-deciding situations when considering a performance.

I agree with that, there is an "outcome bias" when judging footballers. If you make a brilliant pass that is squandered, it tends to be judged differently than if it result in a goal - even if those two hypothetically were identical. In such a situation, the passer should be judged equally regardless of what the striker does.

The same applies to defenders, a mistake leading to a big chance shouldn't be judged on whether the striker actually buries it. It is a fallacy to think like that, but its a common one imo. I frequently find myself doing the same quite often.

Lets say e.g. the Pogba/Rooney misunderstanding in the first half led to a goal, it wouldn't become worse. Its horrible in either case, and will on average lead to an opportunity for our opponent a fraction of the time.

 

[GwilDor]

The actual important thing is impact on the game, that's how you decide a motm award. its like when someone was asking should mkhi have passed instead of shooting for his goal at the weekend, the answer is no because he scored and it was a great finish but if he puts it into row Z questions get asked. If Pogba gives the ball away in genuinely dangerous positions a couple of times ( I don't think he loses it much in dangerous positions) then it goes against him, and if they score it goes against him even more. In reality his impact on the game was not particularly great pass accuracy which means very little and a goal and an assist. The pass has more of an impact because it becomes a goal but its also still a great piece of work on the ball before then but yes with the finish it becomes better as it has a larger impact on the game.

I guess we'll have to disagree. There is a difference between on the one hand,a directly match deciding involvement(like Mkhitaryan's goal), which i agree gets extra relevance for deciding a MoM award. On the other hand, it would be something else when you're judging for example a pass, which relies on what a teammate gets out of it in the end. That pass should be evaluated on basis of itself, and not what the recipient does afterwards.

Like i said though, i guess we view it differently, which is fine

For those who missed it in the match day thread,

That moment you realize Messi and Turan play for Crystal Palace...and we win!

 

[ThaReaper01]

Studs up two footed? you do.

Not without committing an actual foul. You never get a red for intent in that situation. It's not how the rule is meant to be governed.

 

[sunama]

What's interesting, is that in the match day thread, before the match, Zaha was made out to be Messi-esque.
I said I would wait until the game is over before I cast any judgement.
I do not recall Zaha doing anything special. Not even one thing during that match and cannot understand why anybody would fear him. I think some of our fans over-rate our opponents.
Cabaye on the other hand, was a nuisance. He was trying to win free kicks and help his team score.

 

[pocco]

Thought we were class in the first half. Good interplay, quick recovery of the ball high up the pitch. We just lacked a bit of cutting edge.

It has felt like watching united of old recently, and i honestly didn't think I'd say that any time soon. The players look up for the fight now and Mourinho deserves a lot of credit for sorting us out.

 

[Tincanalley]

Hahaha

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Fake, surely

 

[Runner]

I'm just relieved we didn't draw. Not a perfect performance but we got the much needed win.

 

[attack attack]

Not without committing an actual foul. You never get a red for intent in that situation. It's not how the rule is meant to be governed.

Yes you do. A jump tackle is deemed reckless and out of control. It was a red all day long. If the palace player hadn't hurdled the tackle he would have caught him.
Rojo is playing better but he is still a liability an a red card waiting to happen. Could have lost us the game with that stupid tackle today.

 

[sunama]

Public transport fail
Madness.

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That's normal for London. In fact, that's pretty good. Has Andy Mitten even travelled on London trains?

 

[GwilDor]

Clearly, you don't like Pogba. He was phenomenal today. It would have been 2 assists, had Rooney scored as well.

Oh, i don't mind Pogba at all, i think he is brilliant at times. But i do think i judge performances a bit different than many, be it his performance, or any other of the team.

 

[Irrational.]

Cabaye is a diving little b!tch. Should have been yellow carded twice for his theatrics.

He was also happy to go clattering into our players at will. He's a sly cnut of a player.

 

[Irrational.]

Hahaha

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All this media outrage, the insistence on denigrating our victories and performances by any which way possible is evidence that we are doing the right things and going the right way.

 

[OzKangarooney]

,
I do not recall Zaha doing anything special. Not even one thing during that match and cannot understand why anybody would fear him.

He was one of their most dangerous looking players to be honest, most of their counter went to Zaha and then he ran at our defenders with mixed results, he skinned Carrick multiple times and could of easily had Rojo sent off

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Clearly, you don't like Pogba. He was phenomenal today. It would have been 2 assists, had Rooney scored as well

in all honesty, 'phenomenal' is a ott reaction. For the money spent, this is what I expect from Pogba in general.

 

[Bobcat]

Hahaha

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Is this supposed to be a joke? We had a goal wrongly called offside and was denied a clear cut penalty and created plenty of decent chances. Palace had one chance which they scored on and a good shot from outside the box

 

[Cathy Ferguson]

Imagine this team without Pogba, Zlatan, and De Gea. All three of them are world class. What a save from De Gea, and what a finish from Zlatan.

Our form is improving and we showed that killer instinct tonight, despite some really poor refereeing.

I hope we can build on this and win our next 3-4 games.

 

[horsechoker]

"MARCOS!"

"ROJO!"

 

[GwilDor]

I agree with that, there is an "outcome bias" when judging footballers. If you make a brilliant pass that is squandered, it tends to be judged differently than if it result in a goal - even if those two hypothetically were identical. In such a situation, the passer should be judged equally regardless of what the striker does.

The same applies to defenders, a mistake leading to a big chance shouldn't be judged on whether the striker actually buries it. It is a fallacy to think like that, but its a common one imo. I frequently find myself doing the same quite often.

Lets say e.g. the Pogba/Rooney misunderstanding in the first half led to a goal, it wouldn't become worse. Its horrible in either case, and will on average lead to an opportunity for our opponent a fraction of the time.

Exactly,I agree with all of this! It is easy to draw focus to the actual match deciding situations, we all do it to a degree i guess

 

[Ban]

There was a robbery all right. We were robbed for a pen and a goal.

 

[El Zoido]

Hahaha

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Hope it's real. Stick it on the dressing room wall.

 

[Bobcat]

Going forward we will have Miki instead of Rooney in there. There will be proper competition for places in the attack again.
Hopefully we can get someone else scoring a few goals apart from Zlatan and we are away with it once it clicks. We just need more momentum so one bad result doesn't mean it's back to square one again for the squad mentally. They are starting to believe and perform much better. We have some class players here. Glad we are finally starting to see it.

We have the makings of the first really good united team in ages and a manager who knows English and European football at the highest levels. Things are finally starting to look good again.

Hopefully he is back soon without any nasty suprises. Rooney/Zlatan/Mata has plenty of talent but really lacks pace and it was painfully evident at times today

 

[Acole9]

Aside from the horrific showing from the referee and his assistants (which both sides can have their grievances about) I think we definitely deserved the win tonight. I don't think we played as well as we could've but Pogba and Zlatan were the big difference for us.

 

[El Zoido]

The Palace goal really was fantastic. Credit where due on that.

 

[Dobba]

Just caught a bit of Jose's press conference on Sky Sports News and his answer to one of the parasites...sorry, journalists questioning Rojo's tackling was almost perfect. Basically along the lines of "I didn’t discuss Rose on Mkhitaryan or Luiz on Fellaini, so he won’t discuss Rojo’s tackle".

Only downside was that he missed Barry on Ibra, Adrian on Ibra and Lee on Bailly and didn't point out that the media didn't discuss any of those either. He's getting there though.

 

[fanutd]

Hope it's real. Stick it on the dressing room wall.

Excellent. I was thinking the same. We have a rock solid, us against the world, siege mentality being instilled.

 

[Ali Dia]

Hopefully he is back soon without any nasty suprises. Rooney/Zlatan/Mata has plenty of talent but really lacks pace and it was painfully evident at times today

I said this in another thread earlier on. The one thing I think Jose could be doing is trying to play another striker into some moderate form at very least. If anything happens to Ibra everyone else is woefully out of form right now.

Edit- we've not been winning games by clear enough margins to take huge risks at the minute. I understand the team needs a good run as a whole rather than any one particular position

 

[Tincanalley]

Has the United game been on MOTD yet?#

 

[oz insomniac]

Sometimes you have to shake your head at how the press enacts. Sitting here in Sydney, the Daily Mail has Chelski swatting aside Sunderland 1-0 at home, and the headline is Man Utd struggle to a 2-1 away win at Palace

That's the price of past success and the obvious dislike of Jose by the London press

How long will Rooney remain in the side, poor again tonight, Lingard just doesn't do it. As has been said, it will take a couple of transfer window to sort th team out.

 

[Adzzz]

Excellent. I was thinking the same. We have a rock solid, us against the world, siege mentality being instilled.

We should maintain it at all times, SAF did it perfectly. Hated, adored never ignored. Once we get all elements working in tandem, well... We dominate

 

[MZX7]

Not going to follow the game via the Matchday Thread again. Some of the stuff spouted in there tonight was embarrassing.

Good win at a tough ground! Two in a row. Keep going lads!

I'm sure you will though.

 

[Z_Wolf]

Oh, i don't mind Pogba at all, i think he is brilliant at times. But i do think i judge performances a bit different than many, be it his performance, or any other of the team.

How do you judge performances? and Who do you think played better than him?

 

[SamVimes]

Not without committing an actual foul. You never get a red for intent in that situation. It's not how the rule is meant to be governed.

It was a ridiculous tackle, the second week in a row. It was a two footed lunge and a red card every time. Luckily the ref was having a stinker.

 

[fanutd]

We should maintain it at all times, SAF did it perfectly. Hated, adored never ignored. Once we get all elements working in tandem, well... We dominate

Agreed. You can see now clearly that the heads don't drop. Yes, we feck up occasionally but there clearly is a belief and unity now. All the players, the manager they all care and are united. Honestly, this could be sensed by the interview of the players (Carrick talking about start of something new) and general effort and work ethic. I hope it grows from strength to strength.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Only Utd could be denied a stonewall penalty and have a goal wrongly ruled out for being offside and still get accused of being lucky.

I'd like to actually have a game where we have some luck without getting fecked over 20 minutes later.

 

[Raoul]

For those who missed it in the match day thread,

That moment you realize Messi and Turan play for Crystal Palace...and we win!

 

[The Brown Bull]

Good win, class from Pogba and Ibra.Drive on chaps.