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Tend to agree with this, would only take Coutinho from Liverpool's XI to play on the left over Martial. We are superior in every other position. Definitely Mkhi over Mane. That does compliment Klopp though given how well Liverpool are performing.
That's the crux of this! Exceptional management getting that squad playing well enough to be 2nd! Classic sum of the parts being better than the overall.
Although I still maintain at least part of their early season success was good fortunate at the time they played some of their big away games.
Arsenal 1st game of the season with half their team out for instance
 

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So according to AXVnee Utd already have ten better first team players than Liverpool. Not to forget a better squad too. And Mourinho's best effort is to be 7 points behind, 8 with goal difference. Someone needs a sacking.
 

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Well it's his first season so the players need time to adjust and gel to the way he wants them to play. They've gotten used to LVG style of play and the new guys needed time to bed in.

Klopp finished 8th in his first season and flopped 2 finals but with the same squad he inherited plus some very good additions he has improved them to be currently 2nd. If Utd are lagging behind like this next season then I will be asking questions and rightly so.

On current form yes Liverpool are better than Utd, but Liverpool are plateauing. This Utd team has a much higher ceiling I'm afraid. With time and a few more additions the team will gel and be a force in Europe.
 

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Plateauing? Really? I suppose hope is what keeps us fans going. I should know having posted on here for however many years now. :)
 

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Until you sort out your defence and goalkeeping situation, it will always be a hindrance no matter how good your attack is. Hence the plateau.

We have a much better balanced team. You guys are just further along your progression than we are. When (if) Liverpool win the title then I'll give them the credit they deserve.
 

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Until you sort out your defence and goalkeeping situation, it will always be a hindrance no matter how good your attack is. Hence the plateau.

We have a much better balanced team. You guys are just further along your progression than we are. When (if) Liverpool win the title then I'll give them the credit they deserve.
Better balance? Liverpool have conceded 3 more goals than United but have scored 17 more goals. I'd say Liverpool's balance between attack and defence is far more efficient. Indeed, the fact that Liverpool have so many goal scorers and no real stand out player is evidence of a well drilled team rather than being propped up by certain individuals. Right now I think United are more inclined to rely on one or two key players compared to Liverpool. Certainly not more balanced. Possibly in the months to come this will improve.
 

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That's the crux of this! Exceptional management getting that squad playing well enough to be 2nd! Classic sum of the parts being better than the overall.
Although I still maintain at least part of their early season success was good fortunate at the time they played some of their big away games.
Arsenal 1st game of the season with half their team out for instance
I think you might mean the opposite to this if I've followed your rationale correctly.
 

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Better balance? Liverpool have conceded 3 more goals than United but have scored 17 more goals. I'd say Liverpool's balance between attack and defence is far more efficient. Indeed, the fact that Liverpool have so many goal scorers and no real stand out player is evidence of a well drilled team rather than being propped up by certain individuals. Right now I think United are more inclined to rely on one or two key players compared to Liverpool. Certainly not more balanced. Possibly in the months to come this will improve.
A Liverpool side that Klopp has had 1 year to work with. Last year Liverpool finished 8th yet I don't think many Liverpool fans paid attention to the statistics then, it was all about progression. Utd are in a similar situation where the play is improving but the table only reflects the whole season, not just the recent improved United.

I really wouldn't take more than Coutinho, and really pushing it Matip from Liverpool for my strongest Utd XI.

- De Gea > all your keepers,
- I'm happy with Bailly, Smalling as my CB pairing. Matip is good, so maybe he has a case to partner Bailly. Valencia is better than Clyne, and Milner vs Shaw isn't even close.
- In midfield, Carrick is a better passer than Henderson, Pogba is better than any Liverpool midfielder and Herrera and Lallana is where it becomes debatable and down to personal preference.
- Up front like I said I'd take Coutinho on my left, Zlatan centrally is a no brainer and on the right Mkhitaryan is a superior player to Mane. But although Mkhi has not played much, I already know his level is above Mane's.

This isn't a combined XI btw, it's a squad comparison.

The reason why this "Superiority" isn't reflected in the table is because the team hasn't the same time to gel that Liverpool has. I don't think there's been even 3 games yet where Bailly, Pogba, Zlatan and Mkhi have all played atleast 70-80 minutes together. However with time it will improve and I can see that already. In my opinion, Utd's team has a higher ceiling than Liverpool's. If the team doesn't achieve that, then questions are to be asked of Jose, but as of now the progression is pretty good. Your last point kind of supports what I'm saying... Imagine how offensively potent we'll be when we get Martial and Mkhi firing to add to Zlatan. Mkhi has been good when he has played, but Martial has looked off the pace this season which is why I'd take Coutinho over him.
 
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A Liverpool side that Klopp has had 1 year to work with. Last year Liverpool finished 8th yet I don't think many Liverpool fans paid attention to the statistics then, it was all about progression. Utd are in a similar situation where the play is improving but the table only reflects the whole season, not just the recent improved United.

I really wouldn't take more than Coutinho, and really pushing it Matip from Liverpool for my strongest Utd XI.

- De Gea > all your keepers,
- I'm happy with Bailly, Smalling as my CB pairing. Matip is good, so maybe he has a case to partner Bailly. Valencia is better than Clyne, and Milner vs Shaw isn't even close.
- In midfield, Carrick is a better passer than Henderson, Pogba is better than any Liverpool midfielder and Herrera and Lallana is where it becomes debatable and down to personal preference.
- Up front like I said I'd take Coutinho on my left, Zlatan centrally is a no brainer and on the right Mkhitaryan is a superior player to Mane. But although Mkhi has not played much, I already know his level is above Mane's.

This isn't a combined XI btw, it's a squad comparison.

The reason why this "Superiority" isn't reflected in the table is because the team hasn't the same time to gel that Liverpool has. I don't think there's been even 3 games yet where Bailly, Pogba, Zlatan and Mkhi have all played atleast 70-80 minutes together. However with time it will improve and I can see that already. In my opinion, Utd's team has a higher ceiling than Liverpool's. If the team doesn't achieve that, then questions are to be asked of Jose, but as of now the progression is pretty good. Your last point kind of supports what I'm saying... Imagine how offensively potent we'll be when we get Martial and Mkhi firing to add to Zlatan. Mkhi has been good when he has played, but Martial has looked off the pace this season which is why I'd take Coutinho over him.
My point was about balance not a top trumps of who has 'better' players. This season Liverpool have unquestionably shown a better balance. Discussing ceilings is pure conjecture and kind of irrelevant based on a million things that might or might not happen. Maybe Jose will turn United into title contenders once they 'gel'.

As for your individual assessment of Liverpool players - I just hope managers in the league are equally disregarding of this team. Staggeringly reductive evaluation of some really strong players. The Lallana Herrara comparison is my favourite - two extremely different players with different roles in that a comparison is almost redundant.
 

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My point was about balance not a top trumps of who has 'better' players. This season Liverpool have unquestionably shown a better balance. Discussing ceilings is pure conjecture and kind of irrelevant based on a million things that might or might not happen. Maybe Jose will turn United into title contenders once they 'gel'.

As for your individual assessment of Liverpool players - I just hope managers in the league are equally disregarding of this team. Staggeringly reductive evaluation of some really strong players. The Lallana Herrara comparison is my favourite - two extremely different players with different roles in that a comparison is almost redundant.
'Unquestionably better balance' - That's debatable at best.

When I said who'd I have in my United XI I was talking about overall not just based on what I've seen this season. However Liverpool fans seem to narrow on this season only because they're doing well, and ignoring the context for Utd. It's being ignored that this is Joses first season. Last year all I got off LFC fans was look at the progression, Klopps building for the future!

My point was very much about Utd having better players. That's exactly why I said I would add Coutinho to the first XI. And for what it's worth I believe we have a better squad balance too.

As for the LFC players, well it's they who have everything to prove. So far they have nothing to show for it. When they win, then they may get the credit they are due.
 

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Well it's his first season so the players need time to adjust and gel to the way he wants them to play. They've gotten used to LVG style of play and the new guys needed time to bed in.

Klopp finished 8th in his first season and flopped 2 finals but with the same squad he inherited plus some very good additions he has improved them to be currently 2nd. If Utd are lagging behind like this next season then I will be asking questions and rightly so.

On current form yes Liverpool are better than Utd, but Liverpool are plateauing. This Utd team has a much higher ceiling I'm afraid. With time and a few more additions the team will gel and be a force in Europe.
How many times have we heard that over the past few seasons :rolleyes: And Liverpool are always plateauing, or soon to drop to their 'true level', and never on an upward curve. Jeez.

Don't forget Klopp didn't buy one player in his first transfer window and spent 'net zero' in his second. United on the other hand have spent a gazillion this Summer and now have the most expensive team ever assembled. You can't put the first half of the season down to simply 'needing time to bed in'. Some of those players are simply overrated (not that most on RC will admit to that, especially not you who seems to think only Coutinho from Liverpool's squad would deserve a place in a combined team) and Mourinho is definitely at fault for not finding the tactics and formations to suit them, earlier. One could argue he still hasn't.
 

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Until you sort out your defence and goalkeeping situation, it will always be a hindrance no matter how good your attack is. Hence the plateau.

We have a much better balanced team. You guys are just further along your progression than we are. When (if) Liverpool win the title then I'll give them the credit they deserve.
Ridiculous. A team has to win the title to be given credit ? If we finish higher than you (4th and United 5th) then credit is still due. As far as the defence is concerned you are just repeating the mantra, seems you haven't actually been paying any attention to the facts given in this and the Klopp threads.
 

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I really wouldn't take more than Coutinho, and really pushing it Matip from Liverpool for my strongest Utd XI.

- De Gea > all your keepers,
- I'm happy with Bailly, Smalling as my CB pairing. Matip is good, so maybe he has a case to partner Bailly. Valencia is better than Clyne, and Milner vs Shaw isn't even close.
- In midfield, Carrick is a better passer than Henderson, Pogba is better than any Liverpool midfielder and Herrera and Lallana is where it becomes debatable and down to personal preference.
- Up front like I said I'd take Coutinho on my left, Zlatan centrally is a no brainer and on the right Mkhitaryan is a superior player to Mane. But although Mkhi has not played much, I already know his level is above Mane's.
This is so full of bias it is a joke, totally ignoring how the players have actually performed this season. Luckily most United fans are not so blinkered as the Sky Team of the Season (so far) and other recent threads show. Most having it around 6-5 in United's favour.
 

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As for the LFC players, well it's they who have everything to prove.
Unlike this current crop of United players who have done nothing but excel over the past 3 1/2 seasons so are rightfully judged as being about 95% better in terms of player-for-player comparisons.
 

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How many times have we heard that over the past few seasons :rolleyes: And Liverpool are always plateauing, or soon to drop to their 'true level', and never on an upward curve. Jeez.

Don't forget Klopp didn't buy one player in his first transfer window and spent 'net zero' in his second. United on the other hand have spent a gazillion this Summer and now have the most expensive team ever assembled. You can't put the first half of the season down to simply 'needing time to bed in'. Some of those players are simply overrated (not that most on RC will admit to that, especially not you who seems to think only Coutinho from Liverpool's squad would deserve a place in a combined team) and Mourinho is definitely at fault for not finding the tactics and formations to suit them, earlier. One could argue he still hasn't.
Have you been watching Liverpool over the last few seasons? You've won nothing, finished mostly 7th/8th (usually miles behind a mediocre United), and completely fluffed the one 'good' season.

Your reputation for failure and not winning stuff is well earned. You make it sound like we've been wrong all these years to take a realist approach to your side when usually the caf calls it pretty spot on.
 

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Unlike this current crop of United players who have done nothing but excel over the past 3 1/2 seasons so are rightfully judged as being about 95% better in terms of player-for-player comparisons.
have won more than you have though, innit?

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Unlike this current crop of United players who have done nothing but excel over the past 3 1/2 seasons so are rightfully judged as being about 95% better in terms of player-for-player comparisons.
Finished above you the last 2 seasons and won more than you. We've been mostly shite and yet we've still had a better time of it than you.
 

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I was once again looking at the League Table with regard to the goal difference thing - attack ability vs defence ability

Liverpool just have to improve the defending to stay in the race or they have to be scoring even more goals - however, if they are in touch with 9 games left, I would expect them to win it. What a staggeringly easy run-in (on paper).

If the Chelsea defence holds up (so few conceded since September it's ridiculous) - it won't even be close.

The other 4, I just can't see it atm, Utd are the only one coming into form as it stands just now. 3rd is ON !!!

All conjecture, opinion & bullshit, I'm afraid. Not claiming flawless empirical analysis on this.
 

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It's almost as if Liverpool fans think that because they're 2nd that Utd fans should be clamouring over themselves to proclaim how great they are!

As for the guy who can't stop quoting me, I already have explained that I wasn't saying it based on current form. I was talking about which Liverpool players I'd bring into my squad and based on what I consider my strongest Utd XI, I believe only Coutinho would offer an improvement over Martial, hence why I'd take him. In fact I agreed with one of the fans who proposed a mixed team based on current form. But for me the Utd team is stronger (and balanced) all around than Liverpool's. Milner has been better than Shaw this season, but go ahead and ask the 'non-biased' Utd fans, if they would replace Shaw with Milner going forward... They'd be laughed at. Now apply this to the rest of the squad, at most I see the majority of people would only add 2-3 players from the Liverpool squad to the current strongest Utd XI. Not a chance of 5 or 6.

I've given Klopp his credit already for ascending what I consider an inferior team to very high level. However LFC fans can't seem to accept that every new squad is hailed as the new 'balanced squad, or most exciting attack in the league'. I heard this all before, especially in the Suarez days. Yet after 2 and a half decades of this they have nothing to show for it. Of course Utd fans like myself are going to be reluctant to go along with this PR, until Liverpool actually win the league. For what it's worth, Utd has finished above Liverpool for 2 of the last 3 seasons, and many more before that. They also won the FA Cup, whilst Liverpool lost 2 finals.

If I asked at the end of last season to LFC fans, which squad they'd rather have of Utd or themselves, many would point to their own despite finishing 3 places lower and not winning a trophy.
 

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Check out his goals against Norwich, City, Chelsea, Swansea, Burnley and tell me he isn't a footballer.

Pogba cost a world record sum, respectfully speaking I don't think he is worth even half of what you paid (won't even get into his wages), and this shouldn't even be a debate.

To date Henderson has:
Made the most passes
Had the most touches
Has made the 2nd most amount of tackles
Covered the second most amount distance
 

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It's almost as if Liverpool fans think that because they're 2nd that Utd fans should be clamouring over themselves to proclaim how great they are!

As for the guy who can't stop quoting me, I already have explained that I wasn't saying it based on current form. I was talking about which Liverpool players I'd bring into my squad and based on what I consider my strongest Utd XI, I believe only Coutinho would offer an improvement over Martial, hence why I'd take him. In fact I agreed with one of the fans who proposed a mixed team based on current form. But for me the Utd team is stronger (and balanced) all around than Liverpool's. Milner has been better than Shaw this season, but go ahead and ask the 'non-biased' Utd fans, if they would replace Shaw with Milner going forward... They'd be laughed at. Now apply this to the rest of the squad, at most I see the majority of people would only add 2-3 players from the Liverpool squad to the current strongest Utd XI. Not a chance of 5 or 6.

I've given Klopp his credit already for ascending what I consider an inferior team to very high level. However LFC fans can't seem to accept that every new squad is hailed as the new 'balanced squad, or most exciting attack in the league'. I heard this all before, especially in the Suarez days. Yet after 2 and a half decades of this they have nothing to show for it. Of course Utd fans like myself are going to be reluctant to go along with this PR, until Liverpool actually win the league. For what it's worth, Utd has finished above Liverpool for 2 of the last 3 seasons, and many more before that. They also won the FA Cup, whilst Liverpool lost 2 finals.

If I asked at the end of last season to LFC fans, which squad they'd rather have of Utd or themselves, many would point to their own despite finishing 3 places lower and not winning a trophy.
Being completely fair, it's hard to disagree with any of that from my point of view.

I think the smart thing to do is to wait and see what happens. We've been in promising positions before and seen Liverpool fall apart. Klopp's been doing brilliantly with a squad I didn't think would finish top four at the start of the season, but there's still more than half of the season left and none of this (scoring goals, being second at Christmas etc) means anything if we end up 6th and without any silverware in May. That's a very real possibility when you look at the other sides in the top six.

I like Klopp and the work he's done so far has been excellent, but we're yet to actually achieve anything which is why I'm hesitant to disagree with the more sceptical United fans in this thread.

Give me top four and a trophy and I'll be delighted.
 

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Your league position supports hardly anything you have put down. If your squad is so much better how comes we are second and you are sixth? You are going by reputation and not form and
you are also comparing player for player and like for like which is fine up to a point but neglects numerous factors such as tactics, formation and set-up, the team aspect, the manager and so much more.

What you said about "needing time to gel" is nonsense, look at Chelsea who are top; new manager, new players (Kante, Alonso, Moses), a new system (wingbacks and three at the back), a club legend having his longest absence out of the first team.

Your post at #2368 is so biased I don't even know where to begin.
"Herrera and Lallana is where it becomes debatable" don't make me laugh! If you total goals and assists together only Costa and Sanchez are higher that Lallana so I don't know where you got that one from.
Shaw is a massive let down. Poor player who is, like so many in your squad, living off reputation. Mourinho doesn't even like him by the sounds of things. Overpaid and overhyped.

Our forward line works as a unit; four players pressing high up the pitch all moving in different directions where as you are being carried by a 35 year old who is being run into the ground by a clueless, whining, whinging manager. Zlatan has been excellent though ill say that much.

"Carrick is a better passer than Henderson" I posted on Henderson's stats above, so won't repeat them again, they are colossal. Seen Henderson's goal against Chelsea? I don't even think Carrick can kick it that far and he hasn't had an assist in the league either for all his passing abilities. If he is such an accomplished passed how comes Mourinho waited so long to gel him into your side?

You are paying some outrageous transfer fees and wages in the process.
It's almost as if Liverpool fans think that because they're 2nd that Utd fans should be clamouring over themselves to proclaim how great they are!

As for the guy who can't stop quoting me, I already have explained that I wasn't saying it based on current form. I was talking about which Liverpool players I'd bring into my squad and based on what I consider my strongest Utd XI, I believe only Coutinho would offer an improvement over Martial, hence why I'd take him. In fact I agreed with one of the fans who proposed a mixed team based on current form. But for me the Utd team is stronger (and balanced) all around than Liverpool's. Milner has been better than Shaw this season, but go ahead and ask the 'non-biased' Utd fans, if they would replace Shaw with Milner going forward... They'd be laughed at. Now apply this to the rest of the squad, at most I see the majority of people would only add 2-3 players from the Liverpool squad to the current strongest Utd XI. Not a chance of 5 or 6.

I've given Klopp his credit already for ascending what I consider an inferior team to very high level. However LFC fans can't seem to accept that every new squad is hailed as the new 'balanced squad, or most exciting attack in the league'. I heard this all before, especially in the Suarez days. Yet after 2 and a half decades of this they have nothing to show for it. Of course Utd fans like myself are going to be reluctant to go along with this PR, until Liverpool actually win the league. For what it's worth, Utd has finished above Liverpool for 2 of the last 3 seasons, and many more before that. They also won the FA Cup, whilst Liverpool lost 2 finals.

If I asked at the end of last season to LFC fans, which squad they'd rather have of Utd or themselves, many would point to their own despite finishing 3 places lower and not winning a trophy.
 

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Your league position supports hardly anything you have put down. If your squad is so much better how comes we are second and you are sixth? You are going by reputation and not form and
you are also comparing player for player and like for like which is fine up to a point but neglects numerous factors such as tactics, formation and set-up, the team aspect, the manager and so much more.

What you said about "needing time to gel" is nonsense, look at Chelsea who are top; new manager, new players (Kante, Alonso, Moses), a new system (wingbacks and three at the back), a club legend having his longest absence out of the first team.
Okay mate, where did Klopp finish last season? :rolleyes:

where as you are being carried by a 35 year old who is being run into the ground by a clueless, whining, whinging manager
The Wumming is getting tedious now.
 

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So now we have Dembele, Alli and Hendo la' all better than Pogba? :(

What were the world XI people thinking, they don't watch the PL?
 

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It takes incredible levels of delusion to believe Henderson could somehow be better than pogba and also a better passer than Carrick. Blows my mind.
 

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So now we have Dembele, Alli and Hendo la' all better than Pogba? :(

What were the world XI people thinking, they don't watch the PL?
I don't think anyone's said that Henderson is a better player. We all know Pogba has more ability and talent than Henderson ever will.

The point being made is that Henderson might have had a better season than Pogba has so far. Pogba has been easing himself into the Premier League and getting better as the season has gone on. Henderson has been playing at a consistently decent level since the third game of the season. As far as this season goes I think it's open to debate as to who has been playing better but I'm sure we can all agree that Pogba has a much higher ceiling. That's never been a doubt.
 

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It takes incredible levels of delusion to believe Henderson could somehow be better than pogba and also a better passer than Carrick. Blows my mind.
Henderson had good season so far for Henderson level, it wasn't long ago when he was mocked for his atrocious performance against Burnley.

If Pogba plays like Henderson then people will say he is having average season as expectations on him are very high.
 

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Henderson better than Pogba. Based on the table,based on anything.:nervous::lol:
And look at the caf dippers going all defensive. I guess like Glaston you're satisfied with being above United,it fills you with pride.
Also among other great stuff we can read that Shaw who is 21, a poor player,lives of his reputation.
I repeat, 21 year old is living of his reputation. Brilliant.
 
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It takes incredible levels of delusion to believe Henderson could somehow be better than pogba and also a better passer than Carrick. Blows my mind.
It also takes incredible delusion to call Henderson a non footballer, which is pretty much the post that triggered the ensuing discussion. Liverpool fans daring to opine that Henderson has had a better four months than Pogba. Hardly controversial.
 

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Henderson better than Pogba. Based on the table,based on anything.:nervous::lol:
And look at the caf dippers going all defensive. I guess like Glaston you're satisfied with being above United,it fills you with pride.
Also among other great stuff we can read that Shaw who is 21, a poor player,lives of his reputation.
I repeat, 21 year old is living of his reputation. Brilliant.
Tbf it's not all of them, but from the majority I've conversed with the tone I've been getting is "How dare you have the audacity to question the great Liverpool!". It's like they can't fathom a Utd fan on a Utd forum might suggest they're not all they're claiming to be.

The last part of the bolded rings so true. This sums it up perfectly (May I remind you they are currently 2nd):

If we finish higher than you (4th and United 5th) then credit is still due.
 

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My Liverpool/United team would be (based on performances this year)..

DDG
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Pogba
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Tbf it's not all of them, but from the majority I've conversed with the tone I've been getting is "How dare you have the audacity to question the great Liverpool!". It's like they can't fathom a Utd fan on a Utd forum might suggest they're not all they're claiming to be.

The last part of the bolded rings so true. This sums it up perfectly (May I remind you they are currently 2nd):
What gets me is the guy who brought up "the last 3 1/2 years"... Yeah, we aren't satisfied with the last 3 1/2 years, like they've outperformed us or something.
 

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My Liverpool/United team would be (based on performances this year)..

DDG
Valencia Bailly Matip Milner
Henderson Herrera
Pogba
Mane Firmino Coutinho
Replace Herrara with Lallana and you have a team.
 

Klopper76

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Why are so many people saying that Liverpool fans have said Henderson is better than Pogba, when that hasn't been said at all?

The debate is who has had the better season (or four months). Even if the answer is Henderson, that doesn't make him the better player. It's like Vardy having a better season than Costa last year. We all knew and know now that Costa has always been better than Vardy, with a much higher ceiling.
 

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And just to think... Fergie passed up on Hendo :(

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Indeed. I think Ferguson has been proven incorrect regarding his verdict of Henderson in his book. He did get things wrong at times. Just to be clear, are we all still operating under the notion that Jordan Henderson is a poor footballer?
 

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Don't forget Klopp didn't buy one player in his first transfer window and spent 'net zero' in his second.
Oh God not this again. You got rid of players this summer who have cost you over £70m for a total of £70m. Then you went out and spent another £70m. Lets not act like your low net spend was a result of anything apart from clearing out awful spending of the past.

If over the next 9 months we get rid of Schneiderlin, Fellaini, Rooney, Schweinsteiger, Darmian, Memphis for £90m it won't be an achievement to buy Griezmann and defend Mourinho saying "negative net spend"!
 

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No Ibrahimovic?!
No because Firmino might not get on the scoresheet as much but the guy is pivotal to the free-flowing style of attack you have. End of the day, you guys are much better going forwards in the first half of the season than we have been (you're comfortably higher up the league than us) so it would be unfair to pick Zlatan, when your front three has been sensational and very difficult to keep quiet.

@PickledRed

Reason why I went Herrera is for balance, but also he's almost been our player of the season.. I watch all Liverpool and United games, and Lallana has been brilliant but for me Herrera does an incredible amount of heavy lifting for our side, whereas Lallana has much more support in that free flowing side which makes him look better than what he is (which is still a good player).

Herrera for me is up there with best CM's in the EPL, a guy who can stand on his own two feet and impose himself on any given game of football.
 
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