We have a goal scoring problem. We don't get enough goals from those who support Ibrahimovic in attack. Its why we are still in 6th place and our goal difference is low
Goal scoring is a serious problem.
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You might be on to something there.
Hard to disagree.
Chance conversion isn't good enough.
It's why we've dropped so many silly points this season.
Chance conversion isn't good enough.
It's why we've dropped so many silly points this season.
I agree. I think it'll take time, but some of the finishing we've seen has been abysmal. 32 goals in 21 games while the teams above us have 40+ (nearly 50 in Liverpool and Arsenals case) does not look good.
Ye. Both Pogba and Mkhitaryan should have scored today.
Doesn't help that we constantly change our front three whereas the other teams don't really, unless they have an injury.
If you have Rooney playing then you have goalscoring problem. If you have Rashford, Martial, Mkhitaryan, Pogba and Mata the goals will come. Give the boys some time the goals will come.
Not easy when only Ibrahimovic and Mata seem to score goals. Pogba miss too much, should score more.
Yeah it's worrying tbh dread to think where we would be without Zlatans goals
It's sad really, as our chance creation is excellent.
We're also absolutely useless at set pieces, whether it be attacking or defending them. We must have one of the lowest percentage of goals scored from set pieces in the league.
We're also absolutely useless at set pieces, whether it be attacking or defending them. We must have one of the lowest percentage of goals scored from set pieces in the league.
I know I'll get crucified for this but...
It's clear what Ibrahimovic brings to the team. His goals have kept us going this year.
However, I don't think he is the right forward for us. When Coutinho came on as a focal point for liverpool today he looked quality. His link up and hold up play was great. He isn't clinical, but he set up a few chances.
Ibrahimovic is a big hard technical bastard. But today he had about twenty touches of the ball. He isn't mobile or tricky/pacey enough for me.
Yet today he got us the goal again. So once again I'm talking rubbish. But because he plays alone up top he automatixally becomes the focal point and I wonder if that might be holding up those around him.
It's clear what Ibrahimovic brings to the team. His goals have kept us going this year.
However, I don't think he is the right forward for us. When Coutinho came on as a focal point for liverpool today he looked quality. His link up and hold up play was great. He isn't clinical, but he set up a few chances.
Ibrahimovic is a big hard technical bastard. But today he had about twenty touches of the ball. He isn't mobile or tricky/pacey enough for me.
Yet today he got us the goal again. So once again I'm talking rubbish. But because he plays alone up top he automatixally becomes the focal point and I wonder if that might be holding up those around him.
We do a really poor job of getting numbers into the box when we get the ball wide, especially on the counter.
Not threatening on set pieces and corners either which is a major issue and uncharacteristic of a Mourinho team. For example how many goals do we have from defenders this season?
Not threatening on set pieces and corners either which is a major issue and uncharacteristic of a Mourinho team. For example how many goals do we have from defenders this season?
We need four chances to score one goal. Our rivals need two. Don't even know how one can solve it tbh.
I know what you're getting it. Felt he did sod all most of the game and was offside more often than not. All of a sudden he pops up with a winner.
We need to find a striker with that goal scoring ability but also the threat in behind.
Composure is one thing but at times it is hard not to question what we do in training.
We need a consistent front three. It's probably really hard to get going if things aren't going your way, your substitute is warming up 30 mins into the game. Have faith in Martial. He can can be the answer on the left. He, Zlatan and Mkhi should me given the next games in succession to form an attack.
Why was Rooney the problem in pogba and mhiki failing to score one on ones?
Our shooting is just terrible. We fail to even hit the target so many times.
To be fair, I thought the support he got throughout the game was awful.
We need the team to support him. It didn't help that Pogba had a shocker today.
Has anyone noticed that we get our players in the box and then the cross always end up in-swinging back away from them?
We are ranked 18th for goals scored from set pieces, 19th for penalties and 13th from corners.
Meanwhile, Liverpool are first (16 goals via set pieces) including the most penalty goals in the league and 2nd from corners. They really do make set pieces count and that is whee I feel we are falling short. We're pretty good at creating chances from open play though.
It's Firmino who is the direct comparison for Zlatan and I agree. Zlatan is a throwback whereas Firmino is the type of forward you need in big high tempo games as he is very elusive and can help a side dominate the ball.
Our corner takers are poor (especially if it's Rooney) but that's still ridiculous given the height and strength that's now in the team.
Since Beckham left we have been shite for some reason bar 2012/13 when we had RvP and Rooney taking the corners.
Agreed, martial was out of form at the start and mhiki likewise both for separate reasons.
Pogba has hit the woodwork I feel 5-6 times!
We almost needed to teach the team how to attack again after moyes and lvg, our attack has been and will continue to improve as long as (as you said) that front 3 is given time to form a partnership
Considering our height, that is fecking woeful.
I think the 'problem', although it's totally understandable are Mourinho's tactic and instructions. We're far too defensive and risk adverse.
With the quality, strength and recovery pace we have, we can afford to be more 'reckless' and push up higher and attack at intensity.
At the moment, it's clear we have a game plan to nullify certain things during the game and are aware of things tactically. That's good and can only be good in the long term but we're more than good enough to let teams start to worry about our one touch play and ability to drive at them relentlessly.
With the quality, strength and recovery pace we have, we can afford to be more 'reckless' and push up higher and attack at intensity.
At the moment, it's clear we have a game plan to nullify certain things during the game and are aware of things tactically. That's good and can only be good in the long term but we're more than good enough to let teams start to worry about our one touch play and ability to drive at them relentlessly.
Agree we miss too many chances, there has to be more goals from elsewhere in the team. Also if you go into a season thinking Wayne Rooney is going to contribute much you are asking for trouble.
Good 10 behind our opposition.
Going into the game, I knew you were on a run. But I hadn't watched any of your games.
I asked my fellow reds if you were blowing teams away. If you had fast fluid attacking football. If the answer was yes I'd be worried.
But they said no. They said you were winning games 2-1 2-0 etc. But you weren't exactly exciting too watch. So perhaps goal scoring is an issue. But like I say. You've been winning games playing the way you have been playing. It's hardly something that's been holding you back
I asked my fellow reds if you were blowing teams away. If you had fast fluid attacking football. If the answer was yes I'd be worried.
But they said no. They said you were winning games 2-1 2-0 etc. But you weren't exactly exciting too watch. So perhaps goal scoring is an issue. But like I say. You've been winning games playing the way you have been playing. It's hardly something that's been holding you back
Oh for a Ronaldo or a Stevie Bruce in defence.
No I wouldn't crucify you with that opinion. The problem is when he has an off day he is really poor and quite frustrating to watch but he stills pop up with a goal and delivers 9 times out of ten.
The caveat is it always leaves you with the what if questions. You wonder if we would be more fluid with Rashford up there but then risk taking out a man who always pops up with a goal and when he has a good game he is unplayable. Fact is the man is delivering goals and assists week in week out and at the end of the day those are the numbers that matter.
If ibrahimovic is the problem then we have a more serious one than that as he is the only one delivering on the goal scoring stakes but I can sort of see your line of thinking.
It isn't that we lose many, look at City, we have the same losses as Chelsea. It is the turning draws into wins. We need another 20 goal a season striker to contribute. Yet Ibra plays every game and deserves to. It is the goals from his supporting artists that are lacking.Good 10 behind our opposition.
I'm particularly mystified by Zlatan,if we have 50 corners and 30 free kicks he doesn't ever connect with, much less score any. He's actually the last person I expect to score aerial balls,especially set pieces
Yup. It's not like Ruud in 2006 (and let's be honest this ended up being in hindsight than forethought).
Ibra's style might well be not suited to our best possible football. However, right now, nobody else can bloody finish chances so I can't focus on him except being grateful he's on the pitch to score chances he does get.
You'd need to check out the delivery though. I can't remember all the free-kicks but feck me our corner takers are diabolical at times.
How often did Poga hit the woodwork this season? Sooner or later he will start scoring more goals from distance. I am optimistic about that, it won't solve our general problem though.
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1 x Blind
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I think only two, right?
1 x Smalling
1 x Blind
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Imo we have 3 big issues and 1 smaller issue concerning goalscoring
1: Midfield is not contributing enough to scoring goals
Normally in a 4-2-3-1
You should be counting on something like 10 goals from your attacking midfielder (nr10) and atleast 5-8 goals scored between your central midfielders.
You should be couting on atleast 10-15 goals from each wing
Zlatan is playing as main striker and has 14 goals out of 20 games but it feels like he is hardly contrubting to our game and chance creation. It very often feels like he is hardly involved at all and actually playing a bad game as he seems to be waiting for his time to knick a goal. He is very good at doing that, getting his goal but his contribution for the rest is very poor. I like to see a striker weighing on a defence, creating spaces not just for himself but also for his teammates and getting goals. With Zlatan it just feels he is getting goals but not doing any of the other stuff. In the ligue 1 his goals would have been enough to win most games but here in the PL he needs to do more to win us games. Zlatan gets his goals but I feel he somehow hinders the fluidity in our attack, like when Rashford plays as a striker I feel that our attack is actually better altough he doesn't score as much goals as Zlatan. The worrying thing about this is that Mourinho is playing Zlatan in every match all the time and that isn't changing any time soon nor will Zlatan's playing style.
4: We are not getting goals from set pieces (minor)
I think we should be getting more goals from free kicks and especially from corners.
1: Midfield is not contributing enough to scoring goals
Normally in a 4-2-3-1
You should be counting on something like 10 goals from your attacking midfielder (nr10) and atleast 5-8 goals scored between your central midfielders.
- Pogba has 4 goals in the PL
- Rooney has 1 goals in the PL
- Herrera has 0 goals in the PL
- Fellaini has 0 oals in the PL
- Carrick has 0 goals in the PL
You should be couting on atleast 10-15 goals from each wing
- Mkhitaryan has 2 goals in the PL
- Martial has 2 goals in the PL
- Mata has 4 goals in the PL
- Rashford has 3 goals in the PL
- Lingard has 0 goals in the PL
- Memphis has 0 goals in the PL
Zlatan is playing as main striker and has 14 goals out of 20 games but it feels like he is hardly contrubting to our game and chance creation. It very often feels like he is hardly involved at all and actually playing a bad game as he seems to be waiting for his time to knick a goal. He is very good at doing that, getting his goal but his contribution for the rest is very poor. I like to see a striker weighing on a defence, creating spaces not just for himself but also for his teammates and getting goals. With Zlatan it just feels he is getting goals but not doing any of the other stuff. In the ligue 1 his goals would have been enough to win most games but here in the PL he needs to do more to win us games. Zlatan gets his goals but I feel he somehow hinders the fluidity in our attack, like when Rashford plays as a striker I feel that our attack is actually better altough he doesn't score as much goals as Zlatan. The worrying thing about this is that Mourinho is playing Zlatan in every match all the time and that isn't changing any time soon nor will Zlatan's playing style.
4: We are not getting goals from set pieces (minor)
I think we should be getting more goals from free kicks and especially from corners.
Shit at corners, penalties, free kicks plus not converting chances and some of the players needing to deliver more. If everything clicked, we would be in the title race and didnt draw so many games and also won some other games that we won by larger margins.
Was thinking something along those lines. While he is a class player, he doesn't give defenders a hard time at times. But he had no support today, didn't get the ball played to him enough, yet he scored another important goal.
We're far too reliant on Zlatan though, it's a concern. The other attacking player really need to step up their game