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Anyway, congratulations Patriots, that was ridiculous, I hate you.
 

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Yep pretty much agreed with these statements
NFL changed the OT rules recently to make it "slightly more fair" but doesnt mean its totally fair.
Its been argued many times that the current iteration still could use tweaking.
The tweaking was to negate game winning field goals to prolong the games - not out of some admission that coin flips were unfair.
 

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Imagine if we applied that to all rules, laws, etc.

Besides that, as previously stated, the NFL has changed rules before.
That's a part of the game though. The rules committee can change the rules next year and I would be ok with that. The point is everyone knows the laws of the game before playing and should amend their game plans accordingly. Don't want to lose a Super Bowl in OT ? Then do whatever you have to to win it in regular time.
 

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Main thing is the NFL needs to stay away from the idiotic college OT rules where they do away with 3/4 of the field and start you off in scoring position. Talk about being unfair to half the players.

Love sudden death, nothing more exciting.
 

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So then on the flip side, you're saying white guys aren't athletic enough to play WR or RB... after a game where Edelman made one of the best catches in Super Bowl history, Danny Amendola scored a TD, and both are playing for a team that produced Wes Welker.

Sure, there are trends as to how many people of an ethnicity go into playing a certain position, but those trends have more to do with who kids look up to when they're just learning to play the game than they do with how well (if at all) a certain ethnicity is biologically predisposed to playing a certain position.

Let's not forget... the College National Championship was won by a black QB throwing a TD pass to a white WR. And the losing team was also QB'd by a black guy.
I didn't say that about WR or RB either. Twisting my words. Extremely athletic positions just happened to be predominantly black guys. Of course people of other races can be successful there, but it's not as common. If you want to talk about people's descents and their relation to athleticism, then make a thread out of it. I was simply answering a poster's question. So chill out.

Btw, your point about the Clemson game goes hand in hand with what I've been trying to say.
 

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That's a part of the game though. The rules committee can change the rules next year and I would be ok with that. The point is everyone knows the laws of the game before playing and should amend their game plans accordingly. Don't want to lose a Super Bowl in OT ? Then do whatever you have to to win it in regular time.
I agree with you here, the Falcons should have had much different offensive play calling in the 2nd half, imo.
 

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I didn't say that about WR or RB either. Twisting my words. Extremely athletic positions just happened to be predominantly black guys. Of course people of other races can be successful there, but it's not as common. If you want to talk about people's descents and their relation to athleticism, then make a thread out of it. I was simply answering a poster's question. So chill out.

Btw, your point about the Clemson game goes hand in hand with what I've been trying to say.
You went about making your point in a very odd way.
 

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I agree with you here, the Falcons should have had much different offensive play calling in the 2nd half, imo.
Or run it on 3rd and 1 in FG range. That was such a bad call to put it into Matt Ryans hands.
And then for him to not throw it away and take the sack. Wow.
 

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Or run it on 3rd and 1 in FG range. That was such a bad call to put it into Matt Ryans hands.
And then for him to not throw it away and take the sack. Wow.
Yep. Ryan definitely should have gotten the ball out of his hands there. I just look at the play calling though and think that Shanahan's youth and inexperience in big games got to him. He got greedy and it bit him and then he didn't know how to respond to get the game back under control.
 

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Any truth to the rumour that superfan Mark Wahlberg left when the Patriots were 25 points down and missed the greatest Superbowl Comeback of all time?
 

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You went about making your point in a very odd way.
Well I'm sorry it came off that way. The poster asked a question and I answered it as best as I could without being too verbose, as I'm doing this off my phone rather than my laptop. Just trying to provide some insight to someone who needed help understanding some aspects of the game and I get flamed for doing so.
 

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Or run it on 3rd and 1 in FG range. That was such a bad call to put it into Matt Ryans hands.
And then for him to not throw it away and take the sack. Wow.
Such simple logic, yet flies over the head of a professional play caller. Mind boggling.
 

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In fairness, there were about a dozen things that could've gone wrong for the Pats on their final two regular time TD drives, including Brady almost gettings sacked at his own goal line, numerous tips that could've been picked off, the Edelman catch, etc. In fact, the Falcons could've got a pick on the play before the final play of the game. It was just the Pats night.
 

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http://www.espn.com/nfl/game?gameId=400927752

At 0:00 in the 4th quarter, ESPN had the win probability at 50% for each team. After a 6 yard gain on first down, the Patriots had a 61% chance to win. Basically the team who wins the coin toss is 10% more likely to win without either team having stepped on the field in overtime. That's pretty much the definition of unfair.
 

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In fairness, there were about a dozen things that could've gone wrong for the Pats on their final two regular time TD drives, including Brady almost gettings sacked at his own goal line, numerous tips that could've been picked off, the Edelman catch, etc. In fact, the Falcons could've got a pick on the play before the final play of the game. It was just the Pats night.
Yup it was a game of inches out there.
 

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Teams winning the toss in OT only win around 52% of the time. About 75% of the time both teams have at least one possession. Not a huge advantage.

Even in a both team guaranteed possession scenario it is not balanced because the pressures faced by each team when offense or defense could be different. Team on defense first is not facing sudden death. Team on defense 2nd will be facing sudden death if their offense has not scored a TD. Each team should be faced by sudden death in OT.
 

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Many people will point to deflategate and spygate, but that doesn't really bother me so much. It's the fact that Brady is one of the biggest crybabies in the whole league. Whines to the refs like his family's been weonged every time he takes a good hit. Also, him along with Belichick are notorious for playing for the pass interference calls in order to get the first down or big yardage. They did at the end of the game to set up the first and goal. Fitting. Aside from that, I'm a Denver fan and there is a success-based rivalry between the two teams. So yeah, Brady. One of the greatest for sure, but a total feckhead if you ask me. Good riddance once he retires.
:lol: how immature.
 

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I wonder how many of the cry babies in this thread (ironic really, as you are whining because the guy you detest for whining won, lol) would be mentioning anything about OT had the Falcons won the toss and scored.

Statistically the team who receives in OT wins just over 50% of the time. But let's ignore that and call it a colossal advantage.

Honestly, some of you are quite simply embarrassing to be honest. Gone from genuinely being a decent thread to talk NFL to being like a RAWK thread.
 

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http://www.espn.com/nfl/game?gameId=400927752

At 0:00 in the 4th quarter, ESPN had the win probability at 50% for each team. After a 6 yard gain on first down, the Patriots had a 61% chance to win. Basically the team who wins the coin toss is 10% more likely to win without either team having stepped on the field in overtime. That's pretty much the definition of unfair.
:lol: the most ridiculous and stupid analysis of all time.

After a 6 yard gain :lol: what an absolute muppet you are.

Surely the statistic to check is how often a team who wins the coin toss and receives wins? Which is at about 52%. So yeah, "huge" advantage.
 

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And @Raoul is correct in what he is saying to be honest.

Does the rule need changing? Possibly. But the same guys claiming how much of a huge advantage we had are the same who'd be telling us to get on with it if the Falcons won the toss and won.
 

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It's hilarious how Patriots fans react to anyone who disagrees with them. I like Tom Brady, I've liked him since he was at Michigan and he looked like Lloyd Christmas. I won $125 on a superbowl square thanks to the overtime rules today. I think Belichick is the greatest coach of all time. I've always defended him even back to that 4th and 2 at his own 30 in Indianapolis so many years ago, before half the die hard Patriots fans on this forum knew what the NFL was.

But if I say something that isn't OMG BRADY #GOAT, it's because I am a muppet and a crybaby.
 

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It's hilarious how Patriots fans react to anyone who disagrees with them. I like Tom Brady, I've liked him since he was at Michigan and he looked like Lloyd Christmas. I won $125 on a superbowl square thanks to the overtime rules today. I think Belichick is the greatest coach of all time. I've always defended him even back to that 4th and 2 at his own 30 in Indianapolis so many years ago, before half the die hard Patriots fans on this forum knew what the NFL was.

But if I say something that isn't OMG BRADY #GOAT, it's because I am a muppet and a crybaby.
Except that isn't true, is it? I picked up on your incredibly flawed analysis. if you can't handle the facts, perhaps you shouldn't post shit. And just like you're entitled to come up with whatever youw ant to explain why Brady isnt the GOAT, or why Patriots shouldn't have won etc. etc., i'm allowed to share my opinion on what i think of what you're saying. If you have an issue with it, tough luck.
 
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