Yeah i agree with that and ive made more or less the exact post previously.
I don't think there have been any coherent alternatives to the Government's plan advanced by any of the opposing parties or rebellious Tories. It doesn't get reported so heavily, but the SNP has looked particularly daft at times too.
> implying that the Government's plan is coherent.
In terms of what choices he had during the week of the vote, he had two choices, both of them bad. However his lack of decent choices came as a result of months of poor leadership and worse communication.
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The immigration mugs are stacked in the dishwasher and Angela Eagle is ready to pop down the shops to grab the Finish Powerball Tabs the second he stands down.
As much as I've grown tired of Corbyn I do think there's a danger we're forgetting how largely useless most of the party has been in recent years. There's a reason Corbyn won, after all.
Couldn't get the article associated with the tweet but Corbyn is/was always obviously BREXIT for various old school Labour reasoning.
Perhaps, but certainly not for anything to do with immigration. He's about as pro-immigration as you can get.
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Can he arrange a Broken Skull Challenge or Ninja Warrior UK special, with the Labour leadership on the line, before he stands down? WrestleMania is just around the corner too.
Tbh I reckon total wipeout would probably be the most realistic game-show for Labour at the moment.
I wouldn't be shocked if McDonnell ran, but it'd surely spell the end of the current Labour party. Corbyn's obviously a highly unpopular leader but at least comes across as a decent enough guy; McDonnell's been a lot more confrontational, and open in some of his...eh, dodgier views. Corbyn's been able to form some semblance of a shadow cabinet, even if it has evaporated into actual, literal shadows over time, but McDonnell would probably have...eh, Abbott and Corbyn, and maybe one or two more. It'd probably prompt a full-on split.
Two of my options end with the losers getting Stone Cold Stunners though.
Politicians in a major Western country would never receive a Stone Cold Stunner, don't be ridiculous.
Clive Lewis is also seen as a potential future leader... and one school of thought is that labours future is appealing to the 48% who voted remain...it's hard to take the politics out of politics!
Ha i second that. One of the most vile big mouthed Labour MPs out there, can't stand her
I don't think the resignation itself will harm him too much. Whipping the vote will probably damage his favourability though as he'll have lost support from his base. Its a plus for Labour i think so he's fallen on his sword in a sense.
McDonnell can't get enough nominations, so it won't be him unless there's a rule change.
Cowardly to be honest, she should have voted the way her constituency wanted. She represents them before Corbyn.
This article in the new statesman makes for a decent read on why Corbyn went for the 3 line whip.
Yeah Ive heard speculation about this, that he hoped people would resign over it to save him from a difficult decision on deselections.
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Not suprising as i said above he's fallen on his sword in a way with the direction he's taken Labour over A50, his base strongly disagree with him.. The alternative was Labour to take the hit by being seen to block it.
Very true. Could be a masterstroke for Labour if they could pull it off.
They've really misjudged Labour voters and crucially Labour activists. There was a good pieice by John Curtice pointing out that although a majority of Labour constituencies voted Leave, even within those constituencies 60+% of Labour voters supported Remain
To be fair there is a better reason than that. If he gives up the leadership and a Blairite or other centrist (what he would call Red Tory) replaces him they will change the rules again, get rid of the "one member one vote" rule that lies that the root of this whole fiasco and the left of the party will be back out in the cold, and you can be damn sure they will never get another chance like this to take the party back.
Id say so what to that really. Its more about Labour not losing any other demographics and winning back those that have already left for UKIP.
I really don't think that glumly accepting we had no choice but to trigger A50 is going to win back many UKIP voters tbh.
It won't you're right but the opposite would lose voters in a significant number and push some away forever.
I mean to be fair to Labour, the only economic advice the government is currently getting is the sound of Brexiters with their fingers in their ears chanting "Will of the people"I had recently the pleasure to attend a speech of Ann Pettifor. She is a a british economist, who is part of the Economic Advisory Committee. They are imo not really particularly important and don't meet at the moment due some resignations. Anyway. The economic ideas that she voiced were truely terrifying. She ended up frequently refering to China as example as an example of how some policies should be done.
Q: How do you make sure that capital is simply not leaving the uk?
A: Well, capital controls. China can do it.
Q: Really? China's capital controls don't work particularly well. (ignoring the elephant in the room that China is an autoritarian dictatorship)
A: yeah, but they could do it.
Q: How?
A: I don't know but they could do it. There are a lot of smart heads out there who could figure it out.
If thats the level of economic advise, that the current labour party is getting, they better shut down the whole opperation.
