Luke Shaw, playing at his best, is a very, very good fullback. After his horrific time with injuries and the potential he's shown previously, I think he deserves a chance to save his United career. He was very good for us before he got his big injury and hasn't really had the chance to prove himself since. I hope Jose is just doing what he did with Martial and Mkhitaryan.
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from Mourinho last week -
"But we know also that our squad has potential, our squad has good players, many of them in the best age, in age of evolution"
I think we just have to be patient with the situation. I think Mourinho is just trying to improve the mentality of 2 young players.
"But we know also that our squad has potential, our squad has good players, many of them in the best age, in age of evolution"
I think we just have to be patient with the situation. I think Mourinho is just trying to improve the mentality of 2 young players.
It's all down to him. With a bit of luck (of injuries) and hard work Phil Jones managed to take his opportunity and fight his way back in the first team. I also imagine that Mourinho took extra caution not to play him too soon because it wasn't until a while that we saw him. Luke can very well do the same if he performs because we haven't had a consistent LB all season.
We've seen this with Mkhitaryan and now Martial and it's not really a tough to grasp. If you're not giving/showing 100% of your capabilities then you won't get picked.
We've seen this with Mkhitaryan and now Martial and it's not really a tough to grasp. If you're not giving/showing 100% of your capabilities then you won't get picked.
I've said it before but Mourinho can't tolerate mistakes from his defenders. He's always been like that. He is willing to be patient with attackers but once he loses trust in a defender's defending abilities, it is extremely difficult to get him to change his mind.
I'm not saying that it is the end for Luke Shaw. He will get another chance but he really needs to concentrate on his defending first and foremost when he is back in the team. A mistake or two more is all takes for Mourinho to give up on him, at least as a starter.
I'm not saying that it is the end for Luke Shaw. He will get another chance but he really needs to concentrate on his defending first and foremost when he is back in the team. A mistake or two more is all takes for Mourinho to give up on him, at least as a starter.
You clearly missed how great he started last season before his leg break, one of the best players on the team. He also started well this season until his mistake against Watford. If he is fit, he is better than both Rojo and Blind.
Shaw's situation is completely different than Martial's. Jose is just wrong in how he treats our best LW. If he likes draws then he can continue to keep Martial on the bench. But i agree with Mourinho on his treatment of Shaw. I think he's trying to change Luke Shaw's mentality to suit his needs, and give him a chance to rehab that injury properly to avoid lingering problems. If Shaw can have enough tactical presence to know when to play more defensively vs. offensively he'd be starting every game over the likes of Blind and Rojo.
When Shaw starts in the PL, United's record is 12 wins 6 draws 8 defeats 42 points in 26 games (average fixture difficulty 7 games against Liv, Spurs, Man C, Chelsea, Ars).
When Darmian starts at left-back in the PL, United's record is 8 wins 7 draws, 31 points in 15 games.
When Daley Blind starts at left-back in the PL, United's record is 13 wins 4 draws 4 defeats, 43 points in 21 games
When Rojo starts at left-back in the PL, United's record is 13 wins 5 draws 4 defeats, 44 points in 22 games.
If you ignore Shaw's difficult first season, Shaw's record is 6 wins 2 draws 3 defeats, 20 points in 11 games.
If you ignore both Shaw's difficult first season and his post-injury form, his record is 3 wins 1 draw 1 loss, 10 points in 5 games.
Put another way, it would hardly be a great surprise if Mourinho considers Shaw to be his 3rd or even 4th best left-back. To do otherwise, you'd need to place disproportionate weight on his few super performances, while ignoring the errors this season and in previous seasons. That or take far more notice of how he performed for Southampton than for United.
I'm not sure if we should sell in the summer or take up the option on his contract and let next season play out before making a decision.
When Darmian starts at left-back in the PL, United's record is 8 wins 7 draws, 31 points in 15 games.
When Daley Blind starts at left-back in the PL, United's record is 13 wins 4 draws 4 defeats, 43 points in 21 games
When Rojo starts at left-back in the PL, United's record is 13 wins 5 draws 4 defeats, 44 points in 22 games.
If you ignore Shaw's difficult first season, Shaw's record is 6 wins 2 draws 3 defeats, 20 points in 11 games.
If you ignore both Shaw's difficult first season and his post-injury form, his record is 3 wins 1 draw 1 loss, 10 points in 5 games.
Put another way, it would hardly be a great surprise if Mourinho considers Shaw to be his 3rd or even 4th best left-back. To do otherwise, you'd need to place disproportionate weight on his few super performances, while ignoring the errors this season and in previous seasons. That or take far more notice of how he performed for Southampton than for United.
I'm not sure if we should sell in the summer or take up the option on his contract and let next season play out before making a decision.
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Did you not read my other posts, when Van Gaal got him fit he was great, it's getting the lad in the condition needed that's the problem.
Hope that clears that up for you. I think I make a fair case in my argument, that's if you bother to read all of my posts in the thread.
But they don't, do they?
Mourinho said that he chose Darmian because he can play both sides and emergency CB. So can Blind.
So if I am putting together the puzzle correctly, Shaw won't get even on the bench until he's a first choice. And the only way is if he keeps working. Probably him and Mourinho came to terms and if he achieves what has been asked from him he will get into the first 11.
This is how I interpret this article.
Nope. People were slow to criticise because his pre-injury form had done so much for his status but if we're honest he's been average to poor in every appearance this season. Which is no big deal. Was always a good chance he'd take several months to get up to speed again. Might even take this whole season.
I agree it would be good to give fringe players some match practice for the stiffs. Although I think Van Gaal's obsession with giving first teamers reserve games has coloured opinions a bit. Fergie often had players who didn't feature for the reserves at all, then become a first team player overnight when the player ahead of them got dropped/injured. By all accounts, training games are very competitive and every player in our squad should be exceptionally physically fit, whether or not they recently played a game for the reserves.
The fat ass will leave us, either this summer or next year. Its baffling to see the support he gets because he is home grown. Both Rojo and Blind are better than he is.
Id be surprised if most of the people who rate him aren't based in the UK.
Id be surprised if most of the people who rate him aren't based in the UK.
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Mou's comments on Martial seem to suggest that corner has been turned and his comments on Shaw are also positive.
Shaw needs that one great performance for his confidence.
Shaw needs that one great performance for his confidence.
I dare you to make a poll. Its just a theory i have anyway. I have seen him play for us and i have searched videos on you tube. I found nothing extraordinary. I actually thought CBJ was a far more hotter prospect than him based on performances alone.
A poll of what exactly?
a) I am UK based and I rate Luke Shaw.
b) I am UK based and I don't rate Luke Shaw.
c) I am not UK based and I rate Luke Shaw.
d) I am not UK based and I don't rate Luke Shaw.
e) boue
It's people like you who took away poll posting privileges from people like me!
Thats right. Eboue is always a poll option.
I think that the bromance problem is not with you and Luke but between him and Memphis - Shaw just hasn't been the same since Memphis left...We need to back the club and the manager. Not individual players. Jose has his way of getting the most out of his players. I would think that he knows a thing or two more than us.
One of the few posts that is just plain stupid in every sentence
And why is that mate? Have you ever watch him play? Didn't our current manager say he did not want him at Chelsea because he was not value for money, even if the fatass was a boyhood Chelsea fan? Is he worth 30 million pounds? Do you find it normal to be overweight as a teenager when you are an "athlete"?
And one last question to fit in into your profile. Are you an avid virtual soccer manager player ?
Has Kevin strootman been the same player since his injury? Or Falcao ? Or Kurt Zouma? I expected shaw to struggle initially for 6- 8 months since his comeback from injury, also he has tendancy to put on weight like rooney. Shaw will also comeback with hard work on the training pitch. You can not expect a player instantly picking up the same form since a potentialy career ending injury.
He's having his best season. Your point stands though. Everyone reacts differently to injuries.
well to address your car crash of a post......And why is that mate? Have you ever watch him play? Didn't our current manager say he did not want him at Chelsea because he was not value for money, even if the fatass was a boyhood Chelsea fan? Is he worth 30 million pounds? Do you find it normal to be overweight as a teenager when you are an "athlete"?
And one last question to fit in into your profile. Are you an avid virtual soccer manager player ?
The fat ass will leave us, either this summer or next year. very disrespectful to a player who suffered one of the most serious injuries a footballer can suffer in a match for us
Its baffling to see the support he gets because he is home grown. a ridiculous notion to label United fans this way - I can't think of a single United player in all honesty who has received preferential treatment because of their country of origin - fan favourites over the last number of years include well known Mancunians Ander Herrera, Patrice Evra, Carlos Tevez, Juan Mata etc.... This is the club who sang "You can stick your f@#&king England up your arse" regarding the treatment of Beckham
Both Rojo and Blind are better than he is. Anyone who has watched Rojo and Blind at left back and thinks they are better than Shaw needs their head checked.
Id be surprised if most of the people who rate him aren't based in the UK. Again this is just a brainless opinion suggesting that United fans like him as he is English.
Overall the post was one of the worst I've read for a while and I think a majority of United fans would share my opinion. We are talking about a player who actively worked hard to improve his fitness under Van Gaal by hiring personal trainers to work over the Summer, resulting in him being in great shape. A player who started last season superbly before that terrible injury that could have easily ended a players career. A player who I would argue, like Mhiki and Martial, has been unfairly treated in some attempt to motivate him through tough love by being publicly criticised by Jose. I'm not a fan of that management approach and it has resulted in our best left back, left winger/attacker and number 10/RW missing a number of games. Had Shaw, Mhiki and Martial played more regularly I'd say we'd be close to Chelsea. Mourinho himself has told Shaw to keep working hard and be patient, hardly an indication that 'fatass' will be on his way. We are talking about a player fighting his way back from injury, with rumours of dealing with depression and your response is to label him 'fatass'.
Your post was petty, immature, uninformed, ridiculous and quite frankly I regret dedicating the 2 minutes I have in replying to it and your follow up post.
Why don't you look up what it means to be a supporter.
In this case, allow me to explain:
How many times have you seen Shaw, for us or Sotton, doing what Valencia does on the right game in game out? That danger he creates, that buzz when he starts running. Where is the disrespect towards a guy who doesn't even know i exist. We are on a football board. Has this disrespect, by any chance, affected you? So you felt angry i disrespect Shaw but in the same time regret spending 2 minutes for replying to an opinion that was not adresed to you personally? Get your priorities straight mate or try to understand them.
Rojo is a versatile cocky defender. Costed much less than Shaw and also doesn't make a fuss if he is not playing. #rojoisred or pictures with his mother in law. Doesn't matter. He's a good squad player who knows his place.
Both are much better in these circumstances than your protegee. If you would have read my last 2-3 posts you would have found out i rated CBJ much more than Shaw. He showed us more at a similar age and he did not cost 30m. I suspect he was sent on loan and because he did not cost 30m. CBJ was also there when we needed him coming from playing in front of nobody to playing in front of 78k and delivering what was required of him.
The season he started superbly meant 4 games of some runs on the left? What has he done so amazing before that injury?
With Mkhi it was a matter of months not years. Mikhi did not grow a fatass during these months. Martial is a great talent but he is disapearing in games and we do have 22 players who want to play. You are telling me a manager who did not want him in the first place is criticizing him for his own good and even today, almost a year since he has returned hasn't even included him in the squad for the EL game tomorrow?
Depression? Are they running a nursery there? Or is it a fecking football club who wants to go back at the top? Is our leftback position depending on the mind fragility of a 21 year old? It shouldn't!
Lame excuses you are mumbling, no doubt about that.
I'm not from the UK. I follow (because this is the term that describes what i'm doing) this team for more than 15 years. I have paid subscriptions to low quality streams to watch them play when nobody was broadcasting the PL over here. I have come to know the league, the other teams and their rivalries, their history while watching United play. I got official merchandise spread over my house and every time i'm washing my dishes i have a red plaque with the stadium address in front of my eyes. But it stops there. I think life, family, friends, career is far more important than any football team. United loosing or winning never really changed my day. I give them my time when i read the daily sports news, i give them time when i watch the games every week, and i give them time while i read these forums and i enjoy this time spent. And I think that's enough from my side.
As far as i know joint/articulation injuries are the worst injuries, easy to understand why. He's had a broken (bone) leg at 19. In my book that is a serious injury for a guy like me, who plays Friday after work football. He is a professional athlete, who costed a shitload of money and who is making more money per day than what i do in one year. You are overreacting, obviously because you like the guy. . He has been shite since he came here. In case you don't know, fullbacks need to defend properly and needs to cross (clear facts adressed by LVG at the time), things he does not master. He costed 30 million because he's a young guy who can run?
How many times have you seen Shaw, for us or Sotton, doing what Valencia does on the right game in game out? That danger he creates, that buzz when he starts running. Where is the disrespect towards a guy who doesn't even know i exist. We are on a football board. Has this disrespect, by any chance, affected you? So you felt angry i disrespect Shaw but in the same time regret spending 2 minutes for replying to an opinion that was not adresed to you personally? Get your priorities straight mate or try to understand them.
It is baffling to see a vital part (the fullback position) of the team continuously defended based on bad performances or excuses. I couldn't come with any other reason on why is that happening and the only logical conclusion i could draw is that his supporters are either football manager fanbois who lost the scent of reality or some enthusiastic Englishmen who need an idol on the left. Our problem is that i think he is shite, always has been and for some reason you think he is very good. I hear he is the future captain, i hear he will be the best fullback in the world. Baffling indeed based on the fecking facts. The bold statement is just bullshit meant to make you feel good with your Mancunian knowledge. The guy is not playing for fecks sake. The guy is not receiving preferential treatment. The coaches also think he is shite. You won't hear it, because they paid 30 million for him and they want some of that back. What was the way i "labeled" the United fans? Was it something bad? Did it make you feel bad?
Blind is a highly intelligent and versatile footballer who costed half the value of the most expensive teenager in the world at that time. He has a good cross, his shooting is nowhere near Shaws pathetic efforts (if he ever tried shooting) he is providing assists and sometimes he also scores goals. He also knows his place and is not thinking he should start. In all, one of the best buys these years.
Rojo is a versatile cocky defender. Costed much less than Shaw and also doesn't make a fuss if he is not playing. #rojoisred or pictures with his mother in law. Doesn't matter. He's a good squad player who knows his place.
Both are much better in these circumstances than your protegee. If you would have read my last 2-3 posts you would have found out i rated CBJ much more than Shaw. He showed us more at a similar age and he did not cost 30m. I suspect he was sent on loan and because he did not cost 30m. CBJ was also there when we needed him coming from playing in front of nobody to playing in front of 78k and delivering what was required of him.
I admire the PL. I think is much better than Primera for example,always has been. The tradition, the direct style of playing, the history,the culture surrounding everything football related. But i think there is a high degree of delusion when it comes to British players. The sums involved when it comes to people like Andy Carroll, going with forwards like Emile Heskey at the World Cup, loosing to Iceland or other minows so many times is just laughable. The buzz before a major tournament, the talks of winning the damn thing and then the bitter results. One of the biggest mysteries in football if you'd ask me: England national team in tournaments. This is what i meant, this unexplainable delusion when it comes to judging your homegrown players.
I don't think hiring personal trainers in his situation is something extraordinary, i think it was something made in the spirit of common sense. Nobody said the guy does not desire, i said he lacks quality.
The season he started superbly meant 4 games of some runs on the left? What has he done so amazing before that injury?
With Mkhi it was a matter of months not years. Mikhi did not grow a fatass during these months. Martial is a great talent but he is disapearing in games and we do have 22 players who want to play. You are telling me a manager who did not want him in the first place is criticizing him for his own good and even today, almost a year since he has returned hasn't even included him in the squad for the EL game tomorrow?
Depression? Are they running a nursery there? Or is it a fecking football club who wants to go back at the top? Is our leftback position depending on the mind fragility of a 21 year old? It shouldn't!
Lame excuses you are mumbling, no doubt about that.
I'm not from the UK. I follow (because this is the term that describes what i'm doing) this team for more than 15 years. I have paid subscriptions to low quality streams to watch them play when nobody was broadcasting the PL over here. I have come to know the league, the other teams and their rivalries, their history while watching United play. I got official merchandise spread over my house and every time i'm washing my dishes i have a red plaque with the stadium address in front of my eyes. But it stops there. I think life, family, friends, career is far more important than any football team. United loosing or winning never really changed my day. I give them my time when i read the daily sports news, i give them time when i watch the games every week, and i give them time while i read these forums and i enjoy this time spent. And I think that's enough from my side.
Jesus....what another awful post - you are referring to a double fracture of the leg as a not a serious injury.....unbelievableIn this case, allow me to explain:
As far as i know joint/articulation injuries are the worst injuries, easy to understand why. He's had a broken (bone) leg at 19. In my book that is a serious injury for a guy like me, who plays Friday after work football. He is a professional athlete, who costed a shitload of money and who is making more money per day than what i do in one year. You are overreacting, obviously because you like the guy. . He has been shite since he came here. In case you don't know, fullbacks need to defend properly and needs to cross (clear facts adressed by LVG at the time), things he does not master. He costed 30 million because he's a young guy who can run?
How many times have you seen Shaw, for us or Sotton, doing what Valencia does on the right game in game out? That danger he creates, that buzz when he starts running. Where is the disrespect towards a guy who doesn't even know i exist. We are on a football board. Has this disrespect, by any chance, affected you? So you felt angry i disrespect Shaw but in the same time regret spending 2 minutes for replying to an opinion that was not adresed to you personally? Get your priorities straight mate or try to understand them.
It is baffling to see a vital part (the fullback position) of the team continuously defended based on bad performances or excuses. I couldn't come with any other reason on why is that happening and the only logical conclusion i could draw is that his supporters are either football manager fanbois who lost the scent of reality or some enthusiastic Englishmen who need an idol on the left. Our problem is that i think he is shite, always has been and for some reason you think he is very good. I hear he is the future captain, i hear he will be the best fullback in the world. Baffling indeed based on the fecking facts. The bold statement is just bullshit meant to make you feel good with your Mancunian knowledge. The guy is not playing for fecks sake. The guy is not receiving preferential treatment. The coaches also think he is shite. You won't hear it, because they paid 30 million for him and they want some of that back. What was the way i "labeled" the United fans? Was it something bad? Did it make you feel bad?
Blind is a highly intelligent and versatile footballer who costed half the value of the most expensive teenager in the world at that time. He has a good cross, his shooting is nowhere near Shaws pathetic efforts (if he ever tried shooting) he is providing assists and sometimes he also scores goals. He also knows his place and is not thinking he should start. In all, one of the best buys these years.
Rojo is a versatile cocky defender. Costed much less than Shaw and also doesn't make a fuss if he is not playing. #rojoisred or pictures with his mother in law. Doesn't matter. He's a good squad player who knows his place.
Both are much better in these circumstances than your protegee. If you would have read my last 2-3 posts you would have found out i rated CBJ much more than Shaw. He showed us more at a similar age and he did not cost 30m. I suspect he was sent on loan and because he did not cost 30m. CBJ was also there when we needed him coming from playing in front of nobody to playing in front of 78k and delivering what was required of him.
I admire the PL. I think is much better than Primera for example,always has been. The tradition, the direct style of playing, the history,the culture surrounding everything football related. But i think there is a high degree of delusion when it comes to British players. The sums involved when it comes to people like Andy Carroll, going with forwards like Emile Heskey at the World Cup, loosing to Iceland or other minows so many times is just laughable. The buzz before a major tournament, the talks of winning the damn thing and then the bitter results. One of the biggest mysteries in football if you'd ask me: England national team in tournaments. This is what i meant, this unexplainable delusion when it comes to judging your homegrown players.
I don't think hiring personal trainers in his situation is something extraordinary, i think it was something made in the spirit of common sense. Nobody said the guy does not desire, i said he lacks quality.
The season he started superbly meant 4 games of some runs on the left? What has he done so amazing before that injury?
With Mkhi it was a matter of months not years. Mikhi did not grow a fatass during these months. Martial is a great talent but he is disapearing in games and we do have 22 players who want to play. You are telling me a manager who did not want him in the first place is criticizing him for his own good and even today, almost a year since he has returned hasn't even included him in the squad for the EL game tomorrow?
Depression? Are they running a nursery there? Or is it a fecking football club who wants to go back at the top? Is our leftback position depending on the mind fragility of a 21 year old? It shouldn't!
Lame excuses you are mumbling, no doubt about that.
I'm not from the UK. I follow (because this is the term that describes what i'm doing) this team for more than 15 years. I have paid subscriptions to low quality streams to watch them play when nobody was broadcasting the PL over here. I have come to know the league, the other teams and their rivalries, their history while watching United play. I got official merchandise spread over my house and every time i'm washing my dishes i have a red plaque with the stadium address in front of my eyes. But it stops there. I think life, family, friends, career is far more important than any football team. United loosing or winning never really changed my day. I give them my time when i read the daily sports news, i give them time when i watch the games every week, and i give them time while i read these forums and i enjoy this time spent. And I think that's enough from my side.
This is from the match report which gives you an indication about Shaw's form and fitness pre-injury
"It is such a saddening thing for Luke Shaw because he has been absolutely outstanding from Manchester United's point of view," Yorke said.
There were question marks about his fitness, about his commitment to being one of the top players but he has come back and proven himself to a lot of people this season.
"This [is] a massive blow not only for Manchester United but for England as well. This is a terrible thing to happen to the young lad."
The England international had been one of United's standout players this season after spending the summer getting himself into peak physical condition.
Read the rest of your post and you are either on the windup or there's a few sandwiches missing from the picnic amigo - its all sorts of shit with a large dollop of nonsense.... and I dont care how much merchandise you buy or how many dodgy streams you watch - it doesnt make your opinion any more valid
What I will agree on is that this is enough from your side
Dwight Yorke is working for the club. You must be joking. When the fatass will be sold im going to pm you. And i'm going to ask again the same question.
Do you play any form of football manager?
Do you play any form of football manager?
Shaw's thread will turn out just like Herrera's, just like Pogba's and just like Miki's.
It's only a matter of time imo. Too good a prospect to not 'succeed' at Utd if given a chance (like those mentioned).
It's only a matter of time imo. Too good a prospect to not 'succeed' at Utd if given a chance (like those mentioned).
No offence but I think you can easily make whatever point you are trying to make without sounding so childish. It is taking away from whatever point you are trying to make.Dwight Yorke is working for the club. You must be joking. When the fatass will be sold im going to pm you. And i'm going to ask again the same question.
Do you play any form of football manager?
Great post. I disagree about the tough love management, which I think can work, but agree with everything else. Well made points. I'm glad you took the two minutes to reply and tear apart that pile of trash post you were quoting.
Same here- the boy is still very young in footy terms and you want to think he can turn his fortunes around. There's always been a Stuart Pearce feel about him and it would be nice to see him progress
Agreed. Mata has made himself difficult to ignore, no matter how much any manager may dislike him. Across the city, the neighbours had a worse situation with Yaya Toure and agent v manager; in the end bringing him back into their team has transformed their fortunes. There are certain players who are just too good to leave out and Mata is that in my opinion
good post - indeed, the problem Luke has now is how to displace someone in a winning team because managers rarely want to change a winning team. If it ain't broke........
Theres literally no evidence supporting the opinion that Shaw is a better LB than Blind.
Absolutely none.
Blind has had way better performances at LB than him and they both joined in the same summer. That is a fact.
Absolutely none.
Blind has had way better performances at LB than him and they both joined in the same summer. That is a fact.
Shaw in the first 8 games of last season before his injury was way better than Blind has ever been at LB. Everyone on here was raving about him.
He was the second best player in the team after De Gea, but people can only think back to the last game. Same shite was posted about Mkhitaryan, 1 person posted that he was the worst player he had seen, I hope he realizes what a stupid comment that was.
Thats complete rubbish.
Blind at LB against City, Spurs, Liverpool, etc in that amazing run under Van Gaal was way better than Shaw. Hes kept pacey wingers and big physical strikers quiet when none of the pundits or media were giving him a chance! This season when hes played, hes also been better than Shaw ever was.
Luke Shaw has to be our most overrated player. An absolute dud of a signing and how long is it before people stop making excuses for him? He cost us 30 million and some of the lads I play sunday league with look to be in better shape than him. No excuses.
He's a brilliant player in horrendous physical condition, that's why he isn't playing first team football. I suspect we will find out more when he moves on from United, were hardly going to tell everyone he's in terrible physical state are we.
It could be the case (hopefully is) that we don't feel Shaw is needed, can improve the team, right now therefore he's actually being given time to get physically and mentally ready.
It wouldn't necessarily be the worst thing in the world for all parties to write off the rest of the season, more or less, and judge him after a rigorous pre-season.
I'd be happy to see him given a bit of game-time here and there, to slowly build back up, without immediately being under pressure to perform to a sufficiently high level and save his United career.
It wouldn't necessarily be the worst thing in the world for all parties to write off the rest of the season, more or less, and judge him after a rigorous pre-season.
I'd be happy to see him given a bit of game-time here and there, to slowly build back up, without immediately being under pressure to perform to a sufficiently high level and save his United career.