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I don't understand that statement. His review is his opinion. If he doesn't like a system he can't turn around and call it good anyway. What would be the point in reviewing it if he wasn't going to give his opinion?
Maybe because his opinion shouldn't cloud his review? I dunno, but it does seem like he's missed a lot.


Thank you, and yeah... I could've probably worded stuff so it was more obvious that I was trying to ask for confirmation/new information rather than as if I'm out to talk down on the game.
And I'm not some crazed fanboy who likes this at all costs. I think I was heavily critical on here and other places of Skyward sword and got slagged to the hilt and called an Xbox fanboy loads. Can't win :lol:


I remember playing Might and Magic something something that I think had weapon degredation, but even then I could fix the stuff, I guess I'm one of those who grow fond of a weapon and want to keep and upgrade it more so than see it become a consumable, but if it works in the game I'll of course give it a chance (if i get my hands on it for a price i can accept, even if i have to wait)
It does for me, and again, I normally can't stand it. M&M being a great example!


Yeah, sorry about that one, was part of the way we got into things it seems. After all, I'm a final fantasy guy, we're not known for being the most sane people either. :lol:
Woooooah, let's not go there. You'll have you, me and @Revan going on for pages about 6 vs 7!



You, @Earthquake and @Drainy did well in explaining stuff despite my edgy way to enter the conversation, Obviously the research I had done wasn't near enough (though as i mentioned, when I see stuff universally praised i tend to look for the negatives so I don't end up jumping on the hype-train and end up dissapointed, which is why i figured this thread would be able to give me pointers on if the system was as bad as it seemed, and if so if there was any intent on fixing it.

I had a view, but my view is open to change, like how you guys have changed my view from "unplayable and won't ever buy it" to "i really want to check it out someday" with this conversation. Naturally I'll have my preferences, like loving leveling systems and grinding myself to be overpowered at some point, but I can accept that it is a different kind of game that emphases on the adventure and survival instead of the kind of play i prefer, doesn't mean i cannot enjoy it for what it is. And yes, the insane hype-trains that plague the gaming-world these years is the reason I'm entering looking for faults, because reviewers these days don't highlight it, and the only people who will tell it as it is are the players who you can have a conversation with without... Well, what we almost ended up doing, just shaming each other.
This is proper debate, and we used to have it loads on here back in the day when Weaste was around and we could all end up slagging each other off, then laughing at ourselves for it! Underneath all that we get to the point where we all have a little acceptance that we might be wrong on some things and then actually learn something. @Art Vandelay has definitely made a great case now, and one which makes me feel bad for assuming he just gave up.


My standard way of looking at games is: Trailers, look for battle systems and if it's close to those I enjoy or if it's something i can accept for the magnificence of the rest of the game, then i look at the hype and wait for player-reviews, but while i wait for those i look at standard reviewers if it is a game that gathers a lot of hype, like in this case. I was wrong with only watching lobos for half an hour though, which made me think the system of breaking weapons was so flawed, the issue was mostly with how frequent it seemed, not the basic idea of it (despite, as mentioned, preferring other systems).
Ugh, I can and have on here told some stories about trailers and all that. I still hate them and most 'pro' reviewers to this day.


The Witcher 3 really lived up to the hype for me, despite me never being able to finish the damn thing because of headaches during usage of the witcher senses. I guess the game has got me holding my ticket for hype-trains again in case some stuff comes out and does the same for me. I think we're in agreement here, but the sillyness of the overhyping everything to the next greatest thing ever is why people mostly try to shield themselves from it, and end up trying to look for negatives instead of what they can enjoy (before they buy stuff).
We are definitely. Witcher 3 is a great game, but I'm glad I didn't read into the pre-release hype. I looked on it how I saw it, I've even been a bit picked on in here for it ;) But to me, the Weapon degrading and leveling system in that game isn't a patch on Zelda, and let's not get started on the crafting/alchemy/oils side. Zelda is light years, to me, beyond what Witcher did there.



I'll just sum up that I'm convinced that I should give it a try if i get the chance (naturally i'm bound by economic limitations and already having invested in a ps4). Once I see people start to sell them for a price i can afford I definitely will check out the game as my major issues with how I've come to gather the game to be like has been sorted thanks to you guys. :)
That's the best way. For a Nintendo fanboy (apparantly), I've not once told people that the switch is a must have, in fact I believe ever time I've told people to wait until more games come out to justify it, or they have the funds. But Zelda really is, at least some point in your life, an absolute must play. There really isn't anything like it ever, and I know, I've played virtually them all :lol:
 
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Urgh. You are just such an unpleasent person.
Your first reply to him wasn't that "decent".

Absolutey don't know what you are on about with irony here.
To you yes, because all you do is wum and troll. This isn't youtube comments section, you are called out much more for it in here.

For christ sake, you can't even understand the problem in not playing a game, going solely of being anti-review, then calling someone else a fanboy purely for liking this. But hey, I'll give you credit in here for at least sticking around and answering (not that you really are doing any kind of great job), the last time in the Witcher thread you threw around baseless assumptions you were called out on, then ran like a child.



I'm happy to debate this and any other game with you, and I'll apologise for being condescending towards you. But you've also got to actually try and debate without throwing around buzzwords you've learned off of youtube videos and understand accusing anyone who likes this game (well before I engaged with you in here) of being fanboys is just childish nonsense that doesn't belong. Talk about the games, debate, disagree all you want, that's great. But don't continue to cast aspersions just because people actually like this.


Oh, and you still are incredibly wrong about the open world stuff. Try playing any Zelda up to Skyward Sword.
 

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I don't understand that statement. His review is his opinion. If he doesn't like a system he can't turn around and call it good anyway. What would be the point in reviewing it if he wasn't going to give his opinion?
Fair point. I suppose it depends if you view the role of a professional game reviewer as being to state what their experience and views of the game are with no addition context to the review, or if they are to advise their readers on the overall quality of a game in a more objective manner.

I don't like First Person Shooters, if I were to review a FPS I would personally try to state my own experience and then frame it within the context of how they systems work, the advantages and disadvantages of the systems and whether others would like it. He doesn't like anything that adds any additional weight on player decisions basically because he likes games to be straightforward and so he allows that to bias his opinions.

The weapons system in BOTW works this way for a very good reason. The game for most people who playing will be in the 9+/10 range, because it's a top quality game.

Jim Sterling gave Sonic: Lost World a higher score than Zelda Breath of the Wild- just for context here...
 

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To you yes, because all you do is wum and troll. This isn't youtube comments section, you are called out much more for it in here.

For christ sake, you can't even understand the problem in not playing a game, going solely of being anti-review, then calling someone else a fanboy purely for liking this. But hey, I'll give you credit in here for at least sticking around and answering (not that you really are doing any kind of great job), the last time in the Witcher thread you threw around baseless assumptions you were called out on, then ran like a child.



I'm happy to debate this and any other game with you, and I'll apologise for being condescending towards you. But you've also got to actually try and debate without throwing around buzzwords you've learned off of youtube videos and understand accusing anyone who likes this game (well before I engaged with you in here) of being fanboys is just childish nonsense that doesn't belong. Talk about the games, debate, disagree all you want, that's great. But don't continue to cast aspersions just because people actually like this.


Oh, and you still are incredibly wrong about the open world stuff. Try playing any Zelda up to Skyward Sword.
The actual irony here is that you are not willing to debate. It's the greatest game ever, period. It's completely escaping you that, while it is certainly not my cup of tea, I never disputed that this is a very, very good game bringing a lot of very well thought out aspects together.
Me saying that I don't get why this game gets praise for stuff that was introduced 10 years ago (and I do not mean the whole goddamn game here, but just certain aspects of it), getting the reviews into the heights they are in is, for you, wumming and saying the game is shit.

And no, Skyward Sword isn't a true OWG either, it's just doing a very good job of keeping the illusion up it is one.

Also, not sure what you are talking about in regards to the Witcher, but you will either have me here when I have free time or not. I've got better stuff to do than to revive old threads when I eventually come back after a few days.
 

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The actual irony here is that you are not willing to debate.
Look above and read the page. You really are making a fool of yourself here, but fine, let's debate:


It's the greatest game ever, period.
Show me a single post where I've said that. I don't even think it is right now, but I'll reserve judgement whilst I actually PLAY it.


It's completely escaping you that, while it is certainly not my cup of tea, I never disputed that this is a very, very good game bringing a lot of very well thought out aspects together.
That's because all you've done is slag people off for liking it. Remember when you called everyone a fanboy for liking it? No? Here it is:

So, this is basically Nintendo fanboys getting excited about their first open world game, which essentially came 15 years too late? Alright then. And whoever posted that list ... sorry, but that list is bullshit.
That's what made me engage you in here, and frankly all you've done since is repeat that over and over. Debate? Again, you post like this is the youtube comments section. I did also ask you about that, but of course, you never answered.


Me saying that I don't get why this game gets praise for stuff that was introduced 10 years ago (and I do not mean the whole goddamn game here, but just certain aspects of it), getting the reviews into the heights they are in is, for you, wumming and saying the game is shit.
Two seperate things actually, you are obviously wumming for a start. Secondly, you said repeatedly that it should have been made 10 years ago and nonsense about it finally being open world 10 years later than others. You quite clearly don't understand what open world is and means.


And no, Skyward Sword isn't a true OWG either, it's just doing a very good job of keeping the illusion up it is one.
I never said it was. I said up to. Seriously dude, what is up with you?


Also, not sure what you are talking about in regards to the Witcher, but you will either have me here when I have free time or not. I've got better stuff to do than to revive old threads when I eventually come back after a few days.
Shock. Horror.
 

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Look above and read the page. You really are making a fool of yourself here, but fine, let's debate:




Show me a single post where I've said that. I don't even think it is right now, but I'll reserve judgement whilst I actually PLAY it.




That's because all you've done is slag people off for liking it. Remember when you called everyone a fanboy for liking it? No? Here it is:



That's what made me engage you in here, and frankly all you've done since is repeat that over and over. Debate? Again, you post like this is the youtube comments section. I did also ask you about that, but of course, you never answered.




Two seperate things actually, you are obviously wumming for a start. Secondly, you said repeatedly that it should have been made 10 years ago and nonsense about it finally being open world 10 years later than others. You quite clearly don't understand what open world is and means.




I never said it was. I said up to. Seriously dude, what is up with you?




Shock. Horror.
I still think that list is utter bullshit. There are games in there which wouldn't even make most people's top 100. Suoer Mario Galaxy for Wii? Seriously? I have played that, it's nice and all, but come one.
"I did also ask you about that, but of course, you never answered." About what exactly?
"You quite clearly don't understand what open world is and means." Well from my point of view, same can be said about you.
"I never said it was. I said up to. Seriously dude, what is up with you?" This could be understood both ways man. Just don't include it and we avoid missunderstandings. What do you include in that anyway? Do you include stuff like Phantom Hourglass although it is on DS? Which of them is an OWG for you, because I honestly don't really see one in the series up to now.
 

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I still think that list is utter bullshit. There are games in there which wouldn't even make most people's top 100. Suoer Mario Galaxy for Wii? Seriously? I have played that, it's nice and all, but come one.
What's that got to do with this game??? Seriously man, sort yourself out.


"I did also ask you about that, but of course, you never answered." About what exactly?
Sigh. Again, Shock. Horror.


"You quite clearly don't understand what open world is and means." Well from my point of view, same can be said about you.
Ahh, the old brush off. Great debate! Seriously, I mean this, thumbs up to you, you win this one hands down.


"I never said it was. I said up to. Seriously dude, what is up with you?" This could be understood both ways man. Just don't include it and we avoid missunderstandings. What do you include in that anyway? Do you include stuff like Phantom Hourglass although it is on DS? Which of them is an OWG for you, because I honestly don't really see one in the series up to now.
Look above. You win, clearly I'm the one who doesn't understand the concept of an open world game.


Though, I would love to hear your definition and why this is one but it stops, say for example OoT, from being one. Go ahead, enlighten us all.
 

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Fair point. I suppose it depends if you view the role of a professional game reviewer as being to state what their experience and views of the game are with no addition context to the review, or if they are to advise their readers on the overall quality of a game in a more objective manner.

I don't like First Person Shooters, if I were to review a FPS I would personally try to state my own experience and then frame it within the context of how they systems work, the advantages and disadvantages of the systems and whether others would like it. He doesn't like anything that adds any additional weight on player decisions basically because he likes games to be straightforward and so he allows that to bias his opinions.

The weapons system in BOTW works this way for a very good reason. The game for most people who playing will be in the 9+/10 range, because it's a top quality game.

Jim Sterling gave Sonic: Lost World a higher score than Zelda Breath of the Wild- just for context here...
Maybe fcb and Jim are one and the same?

No wait, Jim plays games...


Sorry fcb, and I do mean that, I just couldn't resist!
 

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Suoer Mario Galaxy for Wii? Seriously? I have played that, it's nice and all, but come one.
It's a fantastic fecking game and the second is even better. They're argely regarded as the best 3D Mario platformers and stand out games of the last generation. But I guess since it's a Wii game it should be disregarded?

I mean Colin Moriarty is kinda infamous for being anti Nintendo at this point. But even in his latest salty rant he acknowledged Mario galaxy's critical reception was more than deserved.

A poster earlier in the thread scoffed at it being one of the highest rated games of all time. Ya'll really need to play it without bias preconceptions.
 

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Mario Galaxy is a great and fun game, but it should never be rated that high. At all.
Why not? Perfect and precise controls and platforming, brilliant level design, fantastic sound track. Name a better 3D platformer that isn't Mario 64?
 

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What's that got to do with this game??? Seriously man, sort yourself out.




Sigh. Again, Shock. Horror.




Ahh, the old brush off. Great debate! Seriously, I mean this, thumbs up to you, you win this one hands down.




Look above. You win, clearly I'm the one who doesn't understand the concept of an open world game.


Though, I would love to hear your definition and why this is one but it stops, say for example OoT, from being one. Go ahead, enlighten us all.
What the feck man, you are bringing something up you apparently asked me while not pointing out what it was, then I ASK YOU ABOUT WHAT IT WAS and this (Sigh. Again, Shock. Horror.) is your answer??? Yeah, great debate for sure. Wow. Amazing.

Yes, Ocarina of time is as close as technology got to an OWG back then. It's actually quite good, I played it because I felt I needed to play it because of all the praise and got a friends N64 (and the game) to do it. But for me, that game is as much an OWG to me as Pokemon Silver is. So yeah, probably my definition is pretty strict. But there is no definite answer to that, it's a question of perception. But please, "enlighten me" with your ultimate, universally accepted definition of what an OWG is.
 

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Why not? Perfect and precise controls and platforming, brilliant level design, fantastic sound track. Name a better 3D platformer that isn't Mario 64?
I, of course, am talking from a personal perspective.

I much prefer both Mario64 and I do actually prefer Sunshine too. However, isn't that list about top scoring games and not just 3D platformers??
 

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What the feck man, you are bringing something up you apparently asked me while not pointing out what it was, then I ASK YOU ABOUT WHAT IT WAS and this (Sigh. Again, Shock. Horror.) is your answer??? Yeah, great debate for sure. Wow. Amazing.

Yes, Ocarina of time is as close as technology got to an OWG back then. It's actually quite good, I played it because I felt I needed to play it because of all the praise and got a friends N64 (and the game) to do it. But for me, that game is as much an OWG to me as Pokemon Silver is. So yeah, probably my definition is pretty strict. But there is no definite answer to that, it's a question of perception. But please, "enlighten me" with your ultimate, universally accepted definition of what an OWG is.
So you don't know. I thought so.


BTW, don't you think you are missing out on some great stuff and enjoyment by basing your opinions on praise of what other people think? Maybe this is your problem, you are so lead by review scores that you want to rebel. Hence why you talk about Zelda one way, then Mass Effect the other. Fascinating!
 

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I, of course, am talking from a personal perspective.

I much prefer both Mario64 and I do actually prefer Sunshine too. However, isn't that list about top scoring games and not just 3D platformers??
Using gamerankings as a metric to compare games in the first place is a mistake.

But they are both widely regarded as brilliant games amongst reviewers and over on Neogaf the usually polarising board come into agreement on it.

It's critical reception is deserved. The gameranking site aggregates reviews for video games.

For reference both Mario Galaxy games also sit at 97 metacritic ratings.
 

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Using gamerankings as a metric to compare games in the first place is a mistake.

But they are both widely regarded as brilliant games amongst reviewers and over on Neogaf the usually polarising board come into agreement on it.

It's critical reception is deserved. The gameranking site aggregates reviews for video games.

For reference both Mario Galaxy games also sit at 97 metacritic ratings.
I think you get me wrong here, I was coming down to his level and judging on personal opinion. My list changes virtually daily, for example :lol:

Mario Galaxy is great, I'm looking at my copy right now and I played 2 again recently actually, even on my Wii and not Wii-U because I'm a tart like that :lol: Absolutely outstanding games. However, neither would be in my top 10, and probably would be a fair bit further down than that if we are talking all time greats.
 

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So you don't know. I thought so.


BTW, don't you think you are missing out on some great stuff and enjoyment by basing your opinions on praise of what other people think? Maybe this is your problem, you are so lead by review scores that you want to rebel. Hence why you talk about Zelda one way, then Mass Effect the other. Fascinating!
You don't either. There is no definite answer to what an OWG is. My definition is a vast 3D world, preferably without loading screens, and largely non linear storyline. I also prefer if a world feels "alive", but the last point is up to personal opinion really.
 

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You don't either. There is no definite answer to what an OWG is. My definition is a vast 3D world, preferably without loading screens, and largely non linear storyline. I also prefer if a world feels "alive", but the last point is up to personal opinion really.
Ahhhh, finally we are getting somewhere.

Actually I do know, at least I know the standard accepted definition. Google it if you want, but I don't care about that.

So you don't think OoT fits your criteria, but Botw does? Can you please explain why?
 

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Ahhhh, finally we are getting somewhere.

Actually I do know, at least I know the standard accepted definition. Google it if you want, but I don't care about that.

So you don't think OoT fits your criteria, but Botw does? Can you please explain why?
Would be very interested where you think you found that definition. Apart from some absolute basics, there is none.
OoT is just a sequence of levels you can switch through, with a few dungeons thrown in the mix. Those levels don't interfere with each other, there are pretty clear boundaries. Hence the comparison to Pokemon Silver.

Also, I'm not missing out on anything. I'm usually waiting for a long, long time until I actually buy a game because I'm not interested to keep my system up to date to be able to play any new game. So usually I am 2-3 years late and can orientate on reviews pretty well. That's also why I'm so against all the overhyping/slagging of games based on initial reviews and preview copys.
 

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@Redlambs But his opinion is his review. If he doesn't like a thing and then tells you it's good anyway that's not a review, it's a sales pitch.
Fair point. I suppose it depends if you view the role of a professional game reviewer as being to state what their experience and views of the game are with no addition context to the review, or if they are to advise their readers on the overall quality of a game in a more objective manner.

I don't like First Person Shooters, if I were to review a FPS I would personally try to state my own experience and then frame it within the context of how they systems work, the advantages and disadvantages of the systems and whether others would like it. He doesn't like anything that adds any additional weight on player decisions basically because he likes games to be straightforward and so he allows that to bias his opinions.

The weapons system in BOTW works this way for a very good reason. The game for most people who playing will be in the 9+/10 range, because it's a top quality game.

Jim Sterling gave Sonic: Lost World a higher score than Zelda Breath of the Wild- just for context here...
I just expect them to tell us what they thought of it and give a score based on their time playing it. If they don't like it then say why, if they do like it then say why. Jim said he liked it, 7 isn't a bad score, but he also said why he didn't like certain aspects of it and how they affected his enjoyment of the game. If he was to say all that and then still slap a 9 or 10 on it it wouldn't ring true. It would be like when we used to get entire reviews slagging off a game only for it to have an 8 or 9 slapped on at the end because it was a big name.

Why would you be expected to say if you thought others would enjoy an FPS if you yourself don't like them? It would be without context. For me, the only thing that should matter in you reviewing a game is what you thought of it and how you enjoyed it. If you gave an FPS a bad review and said you don't like FPS games then fair enough. Personally I don't care if people are giving Zelda and Horizon 10's, for me Zelda is an 8 so far and Horizon a 7. I'd just be lying if I let other people thinking they were better influence that.

To be honest though I find the whole system of game reviews to be broken and borderline corrupt. Everything below an 8 is a disaster, not giving a game a good score upsets publishers and gamers, things get glossed over or broken parts never mentioned. It's better now than it used to be, but I think the damage has been done and everything is on an 8 or above scale. 7 should never be viewed as a bad score.
 

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Probably the greatest game of all time for me

Anyway what have I missed in the thread?
In summary, looks like a total meltdown by the Barca guy who's never played the game but is criticising the reviews.
 

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Would be very interested where you think you found that definition. Apart from some absolute basics, there is none.
You know far less about games than you think you do. Just because people want to lump all games of a certain basic type under one genre or nothing, that doesn't say that there aren't clear and defined boundaries. Same as music, same as film.


OoT is just a sequence of levels you can switch through, with a few dungeons thrown in the mix. Those levels don't interfere with each other, there are pretty clear boundaries. Hence the comparison to Pokemon Silver.
You've never played it have you? If you have, you've never gone more than a few hours and best.


Also, I'm not missing out on anything. I'm usually waiting for a long, long time until I actually buy a game because I'm not interested to keep my system up to date to be able to play any new game. So usually I am 2-3 years late and can orientate on reviews pretty well. That's also why I'm so against all the overhyping/slagging of games based on initial reviews and preview copys.
You said, and again I'll quote:

So, this is basically Nintendo fanboys getting excited about their first open world game, which essentially came 15 years too late? Alright then. And whoever posted that list ... sorry, but that list is bullshit.
Then everything you said since goes bang against what you've just said to me.


Now, finally, do you see the irony I've been suggesting all along? Please tell me you do and you realise why this is futile, I'm beginning to like you!
 

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@Redlambs But his opinion is his review. If he doesn't like a thing and then tells you it's good anyway that's not a review, it's a sales pitch.
Sorry matey, I really wasn't asking that as a question, more just a thought as to why.

For the record, I'm not against opinion in reviews. Either for or against a game based on anything other is dodgy and untruthful. However, when I review a game, I try to look at why I don't like a certain aspect, or indeed do and try to figure out why. I think that isn't done enough, I also think people trying to make money off of that will either go with the flow and out praise each other creating the effect @fcbforever is against, or alternatively going against it completely but failing to properly explain why (because they genuinely don't know).


That's why I chuckle at all this stuff about journalistic integrity lately in the gaming sphere. Either way, good or bad, there just isn't any.
 

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You know far less about games than you think you do. Just because people want to lump all games of a certain basic type under one genre or nothing, that doesn't say that there aren't clear and defined boundaries. Same as music, same as film.




You've never played it have you? If you have, you've never gone more than a few hours and best.




You said, and again I'll quote:



Then everything you said since goes bang against what you've just said to me.


Now, finally, do you see the irony I've been suggesting all along? Please tell me you do and you realise why this is futile, I'm beginning to like you!
It pretty much does not. And so, there is no irony for me. The statement you just qouted is pretty coherent to what I stated today, I absolutely dislike hyping games like it has been done here based on the very first hours and/or pre release reviews.
At the point I made that statement the thread title already literally included "probably best game ever" or some bullshit and there were a lot of posters in here promoting that narrative. Saying "Game of the year" after 2 hours of playing this game (when there's still 10 moe month to go) IS bullshit.
And I also stand by the statement that Nintendo continues to get praise for stuff that should have been taken for granted. That's not just Zelda though, that's Nintendo in general.

I played through OoT btw, it still doesn't fit my definition of an OWG. In an OWG, for me, it needs to be possible to reach any point in the world by, well, foot without having to follow a certain route. You can't do that in OoT because its not a real OWG. If you want to go from the wasteland to that castle, it's mandatory you cross other maps. It did a good job for its time and system, it's still not GTA San Andreas (GTA 3 is pushing my definition to the limit as well btw, I know that. They had to hide their map borders in uncrossable water and bridges to really make it work)
 

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It pretty much does not. And so, there is no irony for me. The statement you just qouted is pretty coherent to what I stated today, I absolutely dislike hyping games like it has been done here based on the very first hours and/or pre release reviews.
At the point I made that statement the thread title already literally included "probably best game ever" or some bullshit and there were a lot of posters in here promoting that narrative. Saying "Game of the year" after 2 hours of playing this game (when there's still 10 moe month to go) IS bullshit.
And I also stand by the statement that Nintendo continues to get praise for stuff that should have been taken for granted. That's not just Zelda though, that's Nintendo in general.
FFS :lol:


I played through OoT btw, it still doesn't fit my definition of an OWG. In an OWG, for me, it needs to be possible to reach any point in the world by, well, foot without having to follow a certain route. You can't do that in OoT because its not a real OWG. If you want to go from the wasteland to that castle, it's mandatory you cross other maps. It did a good job for its time and system, it's still not GTA San Andreas (GTA 3 is pushing my definition to the limit as well btw, I know that. They had to hide their map borders in uncrossable water and bridges to really make it work)
So you think it's about loading times? Fine, let's try this again.

Can you explain to me about why these matter and are criteria for you? Can you tell me what an open world game you actually consider to be one does differently here and why?


As for OOT, where can you not go from the start if you choose and why is that different to not being able to access certain place in something like Skyrim, or Witcher?
 

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FFS :lol:




So you think it's about loading times? Fine, let's try this again.

Can you explain to me about why these matter and are criteria for you? Can you tell me what an open world game you actually consider to be one does differently here and why?


As for OOT, where can you not go from the start if you choose and why is that different to not being able to access certain place in something like Skyrim, or Witcher?
I think you do not get what I mean here.
But for the sake of the argument, I will explain it using Pokemon Silver (since I know that world just way, way better, it's been almost 10 years since I played OoT and I didn't even nearly invest as much time into it) and the Witcher.

Yes, certain aspects of the game are blocked in the Witcher from the start for the sake of storytelling. Same for Silver by the way, but we need to talk about the games in a state where you've finished them to get my point. Let's say, you want to get to Cerulean City from Pallet town. What do you do? You cross Viridian and Pewter City and you are there. There just isn't really another way to do this. For going from New Bark town to Viridian City for example, there is literally just one way. No, flying does not count, fast travel is cheating in this case. And OoT is build in a similar way. Just on a more capable platform so it looks nicer.
Now, I want to go from Oxenfurt to Novigraad in the Witcher. There are literally unlimited options to do so. And thats not taking into account there are no loading screens in there as well.
 

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I think you do not get what I mean here.
But for the sake of the argument, I will explain it using Pokemon Silver (since I know that world just way, way better, it's been almost 10 years since I played OoT and I didn't even nearly invest as much time into it) and the Witcher.

Yes, certain aspects of the game are blocked in the Witcher from the start for the sake of storytelling. Same for Silver by the way, but we need to talk about the games in a state where you've finished them to get my point. Let's say, you want to get to Cerulean City from Pallet town. What do you do? You cross Viridian and Pewter City and you are there. There just isn't really another way to do this. For going from New Bark town to Viridian City for example, there is literally just one way. No, flying does not count, fast travel is cheating in this case. And OoT is build in a similar way. Just on a more capable platform so it looks nicer.
Now, I want to go from Oxenfurt to Novigraad in the Witcher. There are literally unlimited options to do so. And thats not taking into account there are no loading screens in there as well.
But they are blocked, no? How is it you remember Silver so much, but forgot Oot? It's not even close to being an apt comparison, it just proves you've not played it. What about A link to the past, or Majora's Mask, have you played those? Twilight Princess even?


FFS didn't we go over this already?
Probably. I'm bored now in any case.
 

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Using gamerankings as a metric to compare games in the first place is a mistake.

But they are both widely regarded as brilliant games amongst reviewers and over on Neogaf the usually polarising board come into agreement on it.

It's critical reception is deserved. The gameranking site aggregates reviews for video games.

For reference both Mario Galaxy games also sit at 97 metacritic ratings.
Not for Nintendo games usually, they have an almost unconditional love for all things Nintendo no matter how average or dull on the Gaf.
 

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But they are blocked, no? How is it you remember Silver so much, but forgot Oot? It's not even close to being an apt comparison, it just proves you've not played it. What about A link to the past, or Majora's Mask, have you played those? Twilight Princess even?




Probably. I'm bored now in any case.
As I've stated, I only ever played OoT.
And well, I remember Silver more because I have a combined 500 hours of gameplay in silver and crystal. Approximately. And sorry, the level design (apart from one being 3D of course) is pretty much the same. It larger maps connected by tunnels and corridors.

Some areas being blocked doesn't have anything to do with OWG for me by the way. It's a technique, not more. A pretty unnecessary one in the Witchers case. Not sure why they went for that.
 

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As I've stated, I only ever played OoT.
And well, I remember Silver more because I have a combined 500 hours of gameplay in silver and crystal. Approximately. And sorry, the level design (apart from one being 3D of course) is pretty much the same. It larger maps connected by tunnels and corridors.
You haven't a clue, and you've demonstrated that rather nicely.


Some areas being blocked doesn't have anything to do with OWG for me by the way. It's a technique, not more. A pretty unnecessary one in the Witchers case. Not sure why they went for that.
Basically, your opinion of an OWG is just going to change depending on your argument. You haven't played anywhere near enough games to make the judgement on this you have, you haven't even played this one. You are just not liking the review scores so are calling everyone who likes this a "fanboy" completely ignoring the chance it could actually be that great.

Obviously, as in the ME:A thread, you haven't either the knowledge nor experience to debate what you are. So for that reason, I'm out. Enjoy your hypocrisy and close mindedness, I'll enjoy this great game and all the others I'll play before judging.


Before I go, let me remind you of your first 4 of 21 posts in this thread:

So, this is basically Nintendo fanboys getting excited about their first open world game, which essentially came 15 years too late? Alright then. And whoever posted that list ... sorry, but that list is bullshit.
Oh of course you have played other Open World Games, this is just the first Zelda Open World.

I'm sorry, I'm just done with Nintendo rehashing the same 5 games since the late 90's.
And this is just same. I'm not saying it's a bad game, it's not for sure, but it's the same Zelda formula with mechanics new for the series itself, but otherwise outdated by 5 years. There's nothing ground breaking, nothing new.

Top 5 of all time? Never.
It's pretty much love it or hate it at this point. If I want to play a Zelda, I will play the 90's Ocarino of time, the rest is just all the same.
And the world wasn't that appealing to me in the first place.
Oh, you are right. Still GTA produced two standout titles, III and IV.
Most Elder Scrolls are a good game, the standout is still Skyrim.
Because those games are special.

What's special about this Zelda? It's the same old story, the same old mechanics on a subpar console with (sorry) horrible graphics. I can live with another "style", it can be very cool, but this is just a lazy excuse for lacking hardware.



Zero, since I sure as hell won't buy another Nintendo console I'll never use. But please don't try to tell me the gameplay is so much better better and different when you play it yourself then when you have watched around 6 hours of gameplay on stream and YouTube. It just doesn't interest me in the slightest and it seems I'm not alone

Yeah. You clearly know what you are talking about, and you hate people judging games based on preconception.
 
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You haven't a clue, and you've demonstrated that rather nicely.




Basically, your opinion of an OWG is just going to change depending on your argument. You haven't played anywhere near enough games to make the judgement on this you have, you haven't even played this one. You are just not liking the review scores so are calling everyone who likes this a "fanboy" completely ignoring the chance it could actually be that great.

Obviously, as in the ME:A thread, you haven't either the knowledge nor experience to debate what you are. So for that reason, I'm out. Enjoy your hypocrisy and close mindedness, I'll enjoy this great game and all the others I'll play before judging.


Before I go, let me remind you of your first 4 of 21 posts in this thread:










Yeah. You clearly know what you are talking about, and you hate people judging games based on preconception.
No, the fundamental difference between us is just that OWG for me is about the WORLD, while for you it seems to be about MISSIONS. Hence you dislike the blocking of areas, which isn't an issue for me. But yeah, this has been annoying.
Your elitist approach which hasn't been backed up by anything factual is tiresome.

I know I'm prone to belittle people in political discussions, but that's usually down to the fact they get very fundamental facts wrong and I can't stand that. You? That's a different level. You have just decided your opinion is better than mine and then went on trolling. And yeah, not explaining the subject while wirting "Shock. Horror", that's trolling.
 

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Nearly every single Zelda game is a solid 9 or 10 out of 10. Why is it so hard for people to believe that this one is just following that pattern of excellence?
 

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No, the fundamental difference between us is just that OWG for me is about the WORLD, while for you it seems to be about MISSIONS. Hence you dislike the blocking of areas, which isn't an issue for me.
My word, you are delusional. If that's what you took from this! You absolute idiot :lol:


But yeah, this has been annoying.
Good.


Your elitist approach which hasn't been backed up by anything factual is tiresome.
If you wasn't so arrogant and keen to slag off everyone who liked this game, despite not knowing a thing about it, maybe I'd have let you get away with it. But no, I've called you out and you've made a right mug of yourself.


I know I'm prone to belittle people in political discussions, but that's usually down to the fact they get very fundamental facts wrong and I can't stand that. You? That's a different level. You have just decided your opinion is better than mine and then went on trolling. And yeah, not explaining the subject while wirting "Shock. Horror", that's trolling.
That's because I DO know more than you. You HAVE got fundamental facts wrong, congratulations, you've become what you hate. Look back in the ME:A thread, you haven't a clue what you are talking about regards to animation, yet there you are trying to twist and turn on the factual things I'm telling you. It's like me arguing in the current events forum on political issues that people know way more about than me. There's a difference between asking questions, getting involved and learning than flat out making statements you have no idea about.


Yeah, I'll admit I have been winding you up a little. That's because you are so arrogant in everything you discuss on this forum, knowledge or not, that when you come into an area where people are are so much more invested than you, it's hard not to let you make a fool of yourself. Which you have. You've demonstrated time and again you really don't know what you are talking about, you haven't even played the game, yet you are talking and talking and talking. You know not a single thing about game development and motion capture, yet there you were talking and talking. Frankly, if I didn't have somewhere else to be tonight, I'd have happily strung you along more. Simply because you represent the very worst of youtube commenters, and that's fine...on youtube...but not here where you have to back it up or will just get called out.


So let's both do everyone else a favour and stop now. You can go back to hating anything that's popular and that you don't understand, anonymously slagging off youtube videos and the like, and I'll go back to enjoying this wonderful game.
 

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Bolded part seems to me like a big positive, not a negative. Seems like great weather effects.
I'd agree but for whatever reason its raining about 90% of the time for me.
Unless im on the side of a volcano or a desert then im almost certainly dealing with rain and it gets tiresome.
Just seems to be spectacularly bad luck

Very likely that he was very early on, he had posted his 1st part up until the point he saw the temple of time i think, and then lost his rusted sword, then it popped up that he was streaming so he was likely very early in the game.
The low level weapons break far, far faster than later ones. Its excessive really but i guess sets the tone in a way

I didn't / dont mind it. I quite like it actually but i've just found a really, really nice spear from the shrine of courage and im basically afraid to use it because i dont want to lose it.

They put you back at your final save before last boss

But they put a star next to your file to indicate you have completed and as I was saying some completion stats show up too
Cool, thanks.
Still only got 2 divine beasts but might give it a go for shits and giggles regardless.
I figure i've got enough health etc to explore the area a bit anyway