United Airlines forcibly remove passenger from overbooked flight

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In an off-loading you aren't given a choice. Different airlines have different off-loading policies and that obviously is something that can they can look at. But once you are listed for off-loading you need to get off, period.

The bloke I was replying to was apparently astonished at the concept of over-booking itself and thinks it should be done with, not this particular incident as such.
Yeah, I mentioned in an earlier post that we basically check in twice before boarding so it's surprising that it came to this. The damning part for United is that they didn't ask their staff flying for free or at discount rates to deplane. Those passengers should be the first to go.
 

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Except that the ratio of people getting fecked to those flying normally everyday is below negligible. No one is going to let go of a huge amount of revenue because one guy in a rare incident was asked to travel the next flight, sorry to disappoint you. Common sense should dictate that.

Unless you happen to be that guy, i find your attitude to small groups or individuals not mattering as long as the numbers look good a bit of a worrying trend
 

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Unless you happen to be that guy, i find your attitude to small groups or individuals not mattering as long as the numbers look good a bit of a worrying trend
I've been there, too, more than once. You haven't, so let's not play that card. Your idealism isn't gonna get any attention here especially when I've tried to explain the rationale behind the process multiple times.
 

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I've been there, too, more than once. You haven't, so let's not play that card. Your idealism isn't gonna get any attention here especially when I've tried to explain the rationale behind the process multiple times.
How do you know where I've been :lol:
 

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Yeah, I mentioned in an earlier post that we basically check in twice before boarding so it's surprising that it came to this. The damning part for United is that they didn't ask their staff flying for free or at discount rates to deplane. Those passengers should be the first to go.
Perhaps, but it depends whether that staff was on official duty or using benefits for a personal trip. If it's the latter then United didn't do themselves any favour.
 

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The US Marshalls are a lot less trigger happy than your average US law enforcement officer.
You still don't disobey their orders. Why do people think there would be a different outcome? Honest question.
 

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But if you're a massive pussy when demanding your rights you'll be laughed out of the room.
You can be the biggest "pussy" as you want to be, at least you're alive to be a pussy.
 

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I think the technical term is doormat.
That's the way it is. There is no way that you are getting the better of a police officer when they ask you to do something. It's better being a "doormat", a "pussy" or whatever you want to call it. It's better than being six feet under.
 

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That's the way it is. There is no way that you are getting the better of a police officer when they ask you to do something. It's better being a "doormat", a "pussy" or whatever you want to call it. It's better than being six feet under.
Mate, Marshalls are not trigger happy individuals, especially on a plane full of people with an unarmed "suspect". Your concerns are definitely applicable in your everyday traffic stop or other general law enforcement engagement, on a plane its a lot different.
 

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Mate, Marshalls are not trigger happy individuals, especially on a plane full of people with an unarmed "suspect". Your concerns are definitely applicable in your everyday traffic stop or other general law enforcement engagement, on a plane its a lot different.
On a plane you will just get dragged off by the Marshalls.
 

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Mate, Marshalls are not trigger happy individuals, especially on a plane full of people with an unarmed "suspect". Your concerns are definitely applicable in your everyday traffic stop or other general law enforcement engagement, on a plane its a lot different.
We are seeing the results in this video
 

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Refusing to leave a plane upon being told to is a pretty stupid thing to do. Doesn't take a genius to work out what will happen next. Not like planes and airports have a reputation for being easy-going when it comes to rules and security.
:lol: Tongue in cheek comment no? Very good.
 

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Jackie Chiles would take UA down in court.

Only once was my seat double-booked, and despite seating first I offered my seat to the other person knowing full well something better would be on offer (and tbf, the guy was a bit of jerkoff "my seat! my seat"). The airline gave me a first class seat in lieu of bumping me off/offering me a voucher plus funds.

I have witnessed a few double-bookings, the most recent being an international flight from Atlanta to Stuttgart in 2015. The poor lady couldn't speak English (seems she was speaking German from what I could tell) and was just beside herself, frantic to a point. I tried to tell her in my native English to remain calm and a crew member would help shortly. I don't know what happened ultimately as a crew member whisked her to another area, presumably to another seat although perhaps she got the boot.
I had no idea US airlines do this on international flights too, that's scary.
 

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His legal case against the overbooking, I agree his chances are slim. Now with being removed by force....yeah he still has the same case against the overbooking, but the question is does he have a different case for being forceably removed? Probably does.
I would think not, the pilot/airline gets final say and I don't think passengers can disagree.
 

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On what grounds?
Assault at a stretch, and probably because the longer the case stretches in the courts the more bad press for the airline. I wouldn't be surprised if a deal is made before it gets to that.
 

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I haven't read all the details but such force seems a bit over-the-top to me?
 

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Why do people get refunds on no-shows? In India, most airlines take your complete fare (minus taxes) for no show.
 

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On the grounds that UA doesn't want this on the news for a protracted amount of time. Quickest settlement you could hope for.
That's for the airline to offer, the passenger has nothing on which he can take any action against them. This won't stay on media for long either ways.

Assault at a stretch, and probably because the longer the case stretches in the courts the more bad press for the airline. I wouldn't be surprised if a deal is made before it gets to that.
Firstly it wasn't an airline official who handled him as far as I saw in the video, secondly the security personnel would be permitted to use those means in the case of non-co-operation. So again, the bloke only has the media to put his "million dollar lawsuit" hopes on, and hope the airline care enough, which in general cases, they don't, in far worse incidents than these. As if people would suddenly stop using United to fly as long as they are competitive in the market and providing the fares they want.
 

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That's for the airline to offer, the passenger has nothing on which he can take any action against them. This won't stay on media for long either ways.


Firstly it wasn't an airline official who handled him as far as I saw in the video, secondly the security personnel would be permitted to use those means in the case of non-co-operation. So again, the bloke only has the media to put his "million dollar lawsuit" hopes on, and hope the airline care enough, which in general cases, they don't, in far worse incidents than these. As if people would suddenly stop using United to fly as long as they are competitive in the market and providing the fares they want.
This has grabbed a lot of peoples attention, and that guarantees clicks and an incentive for news outlets to keep publishing.
 

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Just another American airline that's absolutely fecking shit, what else is new?
 

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It's bullshit to sell the same product twice when you can only provide it once. I've still yet to hear a convincing argument as to why this is allowed to happen besides 'Well, the airline don't want to make less money...'
 

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Assault at a stretch, and probably because the longer the case stretches in the courts the more bad press for the airline. I wouldn't be surprised if a deal is made before it gets to that.
Well who did the "assaulting" UA or a law enforcement official? Not that UA might now want to just settle anyways, for the bad press reason.
 

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This has grabbed a lot of peoples attention, and that guarantees clicks and an incentive for news outlets to keep publishing.
It's fresh right now, there'll be an expected hue and cry about the poor guy kicked out of a plane, and to be honest he did the best he could be getting dragged out and getting it filmed for his own position, but legally that still gives him no more grounds to sue anyone that he would have otherwise. It all boils down to how much the airline feels the media pressure if this goes further, which I wouldn't be banking on personally. For one, the video is already out there, whatever 'damage' was to be done has already been done and there's nothing more he can add to it, there won't be any million dollars going anywhere. In fact, far bigger airlines than United would make a person even with this mileage work hard to get the basic compensation for his 'inconvenience'.