[Nick7]

Chelsea's lead is effectively 3 points, would love it if Spurs pipped them to the title

how's that?

 

[top1whoisman]

how's that?

Spurs +8 goals on goal difference compared to Chelsea.

 

[roonster09]

Spurs +8 goals on goal difference compared to Chelsea.

Still it's 4 point lead. If they make 3 points on Chelsea they will still be 1 point behind.

 

[top1whoisman]

Still it's 4 point lead. If they make 3 points on Chelsea they will still be 1 point behind.

It is true. A 3.5 point lead, is that fair enough? Or from Chelsea's perspective, if they lose the 4 point gap, they'll (most likely) finish 2nd.

 

[roonster09]

It is true. A 3.5 point lead, is that fair enough? Or from Chelsea's perspective, if they lose the 4 point gap, they'll (most likely) finish 2nd.

I think you can add 1 point when lower placed team wants to catch higher placed team when higher placed team has better GD but you can never reduce 1 point as the lower team won't catch higher placed team with 1 less point.

 

[Celestiale]

If he can win back to back titles I will admit that he is a world class manager in the same bracket as Mourinho. Till then, Mourinho has shown the way to beat him.

Conte is still the better manager in this season, he has way more points then us with a squad that isn't better then ours

In that game, Rashford and Lingard showed exactly what is wrong with Martial and Shaw.

Yep. How people don't see the class of Lingard is beyond me, shows a severe lack of understanding the game. While he is surely not the best in technical aspects, he is a pressing machine in a class of his own. Only attacking player who comes close to his pressing is Sanchez. In addition superb off the ball movement, creating loads of space for other attacking players..he is at least as good as Pedro in overall play, the Pedro that was a starter in Barcelona's "century eleven". And yet still people moan about him. Rashford doesn't need any more introduction i guess, alongside Mbappe the best attacking talent on the planet. I doubt that Mbappe would have been able to terrorize the Chelsea defence in that way on his own though.

 

[BringNaniBack]

Watching the highlights back I think Courtois if playing probably saves both of our goals yesterday. The keeper was poor for both goals. Such thin lines in football. If Courtois had of played we could all be sitting here after a 0-0 draw or even a narrow loss and things would feel completely different. Thankfully it went our way this time.

Taking nothing away from our performance as we were brilliant and deserved winners but that doesn't always mean you win the game.

 

[TheReligion]

Watching the highlights back I think Courtois if playing probably saves both of our goals yesterday. The keeper was poor for both goals. Such thin lines in football. If Courtois had of played we could all be sitting here after a 0-0 draw or even a narrow loss and things would feel completely different. Thankfully it went our way this time.

Taking nothing away from our performance as we were brilliant and deserved winners but that doesn't always mean you win the game.

Are you for real?

What logic are you even using considering Chelsea didn't have a shot on target over 90mins yet had they had a different goalkeeper you fear we might have suffered a narrow loss.

 

[Catt]

Watching the highlights back I think Courtois if playing probably saves both of our goals yesterday. The keeper was poor for both goals. Such thin lines in football. If Courtois had of played we could all be sitting here after a 0-0 draw or even a narrow loss and things would feel completely different. Thankfully it went our way this time.

Taking nothing away from our performance as we were brilliant and deserved winners but that doesn't always mean you win the game.

Chelsea didn't create so how could they take 3 points?

 

[roonster09]

Watching the highlights back I think Courtois if playing probably saves both of our goals yesterday. The keeper was poor for both goals. Such thin lines in football. If Courtois had of played we could all be sitting here after a 0-0 draw or even a narrow loss and things would feel completely different. Thankfully it went our way this time.

Taking nothing away from our performance as we were brilliant and deserved winners but that doesn't always mean you win the game.

Courtois wouldn't have saved the second goal, who knows he might have messed up the Rashford chance and conceded.

 

[Freak]

Watching the highlights back I think Courtois if playing probably saves both of our goals yesterday. The keeper was poor for both goals. Such thin lines in football. If Courtois had of played we could all be sitting here after a 0-0 draw or even a narrow loss and things would feel completely different. Thankfully it went our way this time.

Taking nothing away from our performance as we were brilliant and deserved winners but that doesn't always mean you win the game.

If we had played Micky, Martial and Ibra along with Rashford we win 5-0 with or without Courtois. #logic

 

[SachinJ22]

Watching the highlights back I think Courtois if playing probably saves both of our goals yesterday. The keeper was poor for both goals. Such thin lines in football. If Courtois had of played we could all be sitting here after a 0-0 draw or even a narrow loss and things would feel completely different. Thankfully it went our way this time.

Taking nothing away from our performance as we were brilliant and deserved winners but that doesn't always mean you win the game.

He could have maybe save the first goal but not the second goal. He is Courtios, he is not The Flash. Even DDG wouldn't have saved the second goal.

 

[gerdm07]

I was so impressed with the ability of Ashford and lingard to hold up the ball.

In first half Pogba was too much for kante. Second he sort of faded but if he can get to that level consistently the future is bright.

Herrera mom for me

 

[Gasolin]

I have to admit, I didn't expect much when I saw the line up. Was a tactical masterclass by Jose. Herrera and Rashford were awesome.

Loved the badge pumping as Jose walked off at the end.

Chelsea's lead is effectively 3 points, would love it if Spurs pipped them to the title

Effectively 3? Why?

 

[Gasolin]

Watching the highlights back I think Courtois if playing probably saves both of our goals yesterday. The keeper was poor for both goals. Such thin lines in football. If Courtois had of played we could all be sitting here after a 0-0 draw or even a narrow loss and things would feel completely different. Thankfully it went our way this time.

Taking nothing away from our performance as we were brilliant and deserved winners but that doesn't always mean you win the game.

How would Courtois save a shot from Rashford that went on the other side of the net? And how does he stop a deflection?

 

[Philadelphian]

Yep. How people don't see the class of Lingard is beyond me, shows a severe lack of understanding the game. While he is surely not the best in technical aspects, he is a pressing machine in a class of his own. Only attacking player who comes close to his pressing is Sanchez. In addition superb off the ball movement, creating loads of space for other attacking players..he is at least as good as Pedro in overall play, the Pedro that was a starter in Barcelona's "century eleven". And yet still people moan about him. Rashford doesn't need any more introduction i guess, alongside Mbappe the best attacking talent on the planet. I doubt that Mbappe would have been able to terrorize the Chelsea defence in that way on his own though.

Lingard is as good as Pedro now? He's looking good the past couple of games but come on.

 

[Alanxyz]

JT obviously not impressed with the way things are going after yesterday, so he's announced he's leaving at the end of the season. The timing of his announcement seems odd.

 

[Celestiale]

Lingard is as good as Pedro now? He's looking good the past couple of games but come on.

Not now, but for a good one and a half seasons. He also had a lot of good games before, if you "just watch football with a pint of beer" you won't be able to recognize it though, because his skills are not as apparent as the one's from one Hazard or Pogba to name one of our own players.

 

[dirkey]

How would Courtois save a shot from Rashford that went on the other side of the net? And how does he stop a deflection?

The Rashford one - he possibly didn't need to advance as quickly as he did, and he also narrowed the angles really badly. If you look at where the ball finished up, it was more towards the middle of the goal as it crossed the line than the side. He left a lot to hit at. The deflection he could do nothing about, correct.

 

[P-Nut]

Being analysed now on MNF

 

[arthurka]

For those still trying to tell you that it was a clear handball..

Here are the rules

Handball

The following must be considered:

• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement

So there you have it like the commentators on NBC said live that it wasn't handball you can clearly say that its not clearly a handball.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

For those still trying to tell you that it was a clear handball..

Here are the rules

Handball

The following must be considered:

• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement

So there you have it like the commentators on NBC said live that it wasn't handball you can clearly say that its not clearly a handball.

There are rules and then you have the refs interpretation of said rules. For handball, the real question is actually about intent (and the notion of your hand in an unnatural position).

If you stand with your hands spread wide, and the ball hits your hand, it would be deemed a deliberate handballl because your hand would have been judged to be placed in an unnatural position to make your body bigger (even if your hands were stationary and your were standing very close when the ball was kicked).

Herrera's hand was away from his body and it is up to the ref to judge if it was intentional or not.

 

[arthurka]

There are rules and then you have the refs interpretation of said rules. For handball, the real question is actually about intent (and the notion of your hand in an unnatural position).

If you stand with your hands spread wide, and the ball hits your hand, it would be deemed a deliberate handballl because your hand would have been judged to be placed in an unnatural position to make your body bigger (even if your hands were stationary and your were standing very close when the ball was kicked).

Herrera's hand was away from his body and it is up to the ref to judge if it was intentional or not.

Then again you have the distance from the ball to the player.. The ball is kicked a short distance up to his hand and he tries to pull it back.. The ref clearly saw it and ruled it as ball to hand.. Like I said its not a clear handball by the rules so its up to interpretation from the ref.

There was still much left to do and Herrera and Rash did it beautifully.

 

[Ban]

I really like Lampard as a pundit. He remains relatively unbiased and he has a good understanding of the game.

Agree. Liked him as a player, like him as a pundit too.

 

[robinrooney]

how's that?

Effectively 3? Why?

Because if Spurs make up 4 points, Spurs will be top due to their goal difference

 

[Siorac]

This was a Fergie performance, pretty much: utterly baffling team selection followed by a zealous display of great counter-attacking, in which the team was far more than the sum of its parts, something we rarely achieved this season.

I feared the worst after seeing the starting line-up but this was great. Now let's hammer Anderlecht.

 

[Siorac]

Because if Spurs make up 4 points, Spurs will be top due to their goal difference

Which means their lead is 4 points. Not "effectively 3".

 

[Nick7]

Because if Spurs make up 4 points, Spurs will be top due to their goal difference

So the difference is still 4. If Spurs gain 3 points, they will still be 1 point behind, thus they need to gain 4 points. It's simple math.

 

[dirkey]

So the difference is still 4. If Spurs gain 3 points, they will still be 1 point behind, thus they need to gain 4 points. It's simple math.

Yeah. The "effectively 3 points" is one of the stranger claims I've seen on the caf

 

[stepic]

Because if Spurs make up 4 points, Spurs will be top due to their goal difference

Maths ain't your strong point is it buddy

 

[Sereques]

Chelsea didn't create so how could they take 3 points?

You are missing the point. Courtois will counter all alone and get a goal by himself.

 

[IRELANDUNITED]

What a game. What a performance. Every player was 10/10. This game gives me great hopes for the rest of the season.

Balls, i gave Darmien a 7.

 

[Eli Zee]

Are you for real?

What logic are you even using considering Chelsea didn't have a shot on target over 90mins yet had they had a different goalkeeper you fear we might have suffered a narrow loss.

To be fair, any little thing changes the complexion of the whole game. Let's say Pogba chooses a longball pass instead of a short pass to a teammate, the whole game is different after that compared to what it would be had he made the short pass.

 

[The BlackGaijin]

Just like at Madrid, Mourinho has struggled with playing an attacking minded sort of football because he knows people expect it at United.

However, this time he threw caution to the wind and reverted to his Inter and Chealsea Form. Hard working players preffered ahead of talented players and with winning as the only objective and it was surprisingly exciting. I love Martial, Shaw and Mikhi but I don't mind them sitting out if Jesse, Young and Fellaini continue to play like that.

 

[Robertd0803]

Chelsea have a 4 point lead. Simple as that. When Spurs bottle it against Arsenal they will be even further ahead.

 

[Kostur]

Just like at Madrid, Mourinho has struggled with playing an attacking minded sort of football because he knows people expect it at United.

However, this time he threw caution to the wind and reverted to his Inter and Chealsea Form. Hard working players preffered ahead of talented players and with winning as the only objective and it was surprisingly exciting. I love Martial, Shaw and Mikhi but I don't mind them sitting out if Jesse, Young and Fellaini continue to play like that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011–12_Real_Madrid_C.F._season

Just like at Madrid?

 

[Treble_Winning]

Agree. Liked him as a player, like him as a pundit too.

The day will come when Giggs/Neville will manage United, Lampard/Terry will manage Chelsea, and Gerrard/Carragher will manage Liverpool, all at the same time. They won't be so chummy when that day comes. Probably will be taking jibes at each other on a weekly basis.

 

[marlowe78]

Being optimistic I saw us nicking a win or getting another hard-luck draw but I didn't expect such a comprehensive win like this at all. Every player was good to excellent, with Herrera edging Rashford for MOTM. Mourinho got his formation, tactics, and substitutions absolutely spot on, it was at the level I expected from him when he signed here.

We had a good deal of luck with the goals in a handball being overlooked and a wild deflection (both involving Herrera, fittingly enough) but Chelsea deserved absolutely nothing from the game. While they were themselves largely poor, our defending was excellent, Rojo and Bailly were rock-solid. Valencia was his usual energetic self and Darmian was surprisingly good in the few times he needed to do something. Hazard and Costa were frustrated throughout and posed little danger.

I think it's our most important win under Mourinho to date, outside of winning the League Cup. The only other game that IMO comes close to this level of performance against a top 6 opponent was our game against Spurs. This is a huge psychological boost for the team and very important when we go up against the other top sides before this season ends.

On my 10 scale, I'll give us an 8. Jose gets 10 for planning and organization. This coming from a past detractor of his.

 

[The United Irishman]

Like I was saying, Kanté can eat Herrera's dick.

It would break his teeth!

 

[royboy16]

Anyone know where I can watch some extended highlights of the match ?
Thanks