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David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I find it hard to believe Moyes has been right about anything in the last 4 years.
He said Sunderland are a-bit shit, I guess he was right about that but he also ignored his own shitness while making that statement.
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Football genius.
"We need to stop losing and start winning" - why didn't anyone ever think of that?
He has definitely pin-pointed where they are going wrong. Well done Dave, i'm sure he's drawing up 4-5 year plans to rectify that as we speak.
David Moyes, sharing legendary traits with other British managerial greats.
"I’m a firm believer that if the other side scores first, you have to score twice to win.” Howard Wilkinson
"I’m a firm believer that if the other side scores first, you have to score twice to win.” Howard Wilkinson
Dino Moyes.
Hes an experiment parody manager thats been put here to see how people react to his nonsense.
Hes an experiment parody manager thats been put here to see how people react to his nonsense.
Rashford, Michael Keane, Lingard all England internationals. Tuanzebe could be another. Anyways obviously the whole youth system needed revamping but was probably nowhere near as bad as Moyes made out. It's not like we've suddenly become the main academy powerhouse in the academy leagues with all the new foreign kids coming in. We are replacing local talented kids who are getting snapped up by other clubs and replacing them with more foreign talented kids. But for sure in a few years the academy will hopefully start bearing fruit from the overhaul but we've a long way to go.
David donkey moyes, i suspect he thought he would have got sacked and had another bumper compensation package before the season was out. Turned out sunderland were too skint to even pay compensation so cant sack him. We'll see how he does in the championship. If he cant even fashion a decent side to challenge for promotion that will probably be the end of his career and hopefully we dont have to be reminded of this retarded loser again.
It's weird how I feel zero pity for him. He has this weird persona that just repels any empathy and comes out with such ridiculous comments.
If ever there was a scapegoat for those that criticize the managerial merry-go -round, it is David Moyes.
If ever there was a scapegoat for those that criticize the managerial merry-go -round, it is David Moyes.
Has been charged by the FA over the comments made to the female reporter.
"It's alleged the Sunderland manager’s remarks were improper/threatening and/or brought the game into disrepute."
"It's alleged the Sunderland manager’s remarks were improper/threatening and/or brought the game into disrepute."
His defence will probably be he didn't think his mouth would make those kind of mistakes and say things like that.
And she was asking for a slap by getting above her station anyway, and at the end of the day he was being a gentleman by not actually slapping her but merely threatening her with one.
He'll ask for more time to answer the charges. 
Absolutely ridiculous but can you really expect a realistic and rational decision from FA these days..? So bloody equal..
He did say that Sunderland fans should not expect dramatic change in their luck just because they have got Moyes and should still expect relegation battle.
He said that just couple of weeks into the job.
TBF, you could add Lingard (who for some reason he didnt wanna play despite being one of the better players in pre-season) and Januzaj (who he kinda burned out imo).
If anything, given he was new, he really should have relied more on youth as they would have been more willing to play to his methods (rather than questioning it).
They don't half like their obliques and and/ors do the FA. I doubt there is an FA rule that doesn't include an and/or or two.
He signed Fellaini who seems to be a big favourite of our current manager so he deserves some praise for that.
He uses him because he is there, if we had not have signed him he wouldn't be able to. Jose also plays Young, Darmian and even Rooney.
He uses him a lot. He's had 2 transfer windows to get rid of him if he didn't rate him.
You see, give him time and he starts working things out...
Genuine question - all those calling for the guy to stay longer at Utd, how do they feel now? That's a genuine question, interested if any still feel he would've turned it around here, cuz there were plenty at the time still in that camp.
I doubt anyone with a functioning brain still thinks he would have turned it around at United. His last two jobs have really exposed his limitations.
To be fair we sold two midfielders in the last few months. Fellaini is our only cover, Jose couldn't have sold him in January even if he had wanted to. Though he does seem to like Fellaini.
I was in that camp a long time but saw the writing on the wall before he actually did get sacked. (I was also very strongly opposed to him being made manager in the first place).
I doubt if anyone who wanted Moyes to stay are still hanging around here
I was opposed to appointing him too. And I cringed every time they showed the "Chosen One" banner. Whoever came up with idea had a bit of brainfeck.
There had been a lot of threads about the eventual succession going back years before SAF actually announced he was going, talking about Guardiola vs Mourinho, talking about Klopp, talking about various other less glamorous options like Moyes. I dont think I ever thought Moyes was a serious option until that morning I learned SAF had announced he was leaving and the media were heavily speculating it would be Moyes. So in my memory of it at least the two things are bound up together - the bombshell that he was going and the follow-up that it actually may well be - probably would be - Moyes. It was surreal. It was like rubbing salt into a wound.
But then I thought it is what it is and we have to support him. I went into "the decision-makers at United know better than me" denial mode. It was a thoroughly miserable season, supporting someone who I didnt really support out of a misplaced sense of duty and "fairness".
But yeah, by the end his position had become completely untenable. I dont know how right RA is that there were plenty of people still supporting him at the end, I felt like I hung on longer than most but by the time he was sacked it felt like a mercy killing. I can think of one or two specific posters who thought he should be given that summer to put things right but not many at all. But maybe there were more, I try not to think about that time to be honest.
Would he have been charged if he said that to a male reporter?
I heard the audio and both seemed to be joking with each other.
I heard the audio and both seemed to be joking with each other.
Jesus, how did they take so long to decide to charge him? This was weeks and weeks ago 
I was in this mode initially. Don't exactly remember when, sometime after December I guess, I felt that all players were genuinely underplaying and then realized he has lost the dressing room. And there was no comeback. Even at that point, I wanted to give him little benefit of doubt, but soon realized he was clearly out of his depth in everything.
I still don't really believe it actually happened...
Cmon, we're living in a simulation and some dickhead got into the control booth or something.
Moyes, Trump, Foxes winning PL, crazy religions still existing, Farage not being a fictional character - simulated reality, surely.
Newcastle at home. He was a definite gonner in my eyes after that.
Yes, but he could have sold Fellaini instead of the other two midfielders. He didn't because he seems to really rate him. Let's credit Moyes with a good signing here.
In fact, given how well Mata has done you'd have to say Moyes was pretty fantastic in the transfer market for us. 100% success rate on his major signings.
Yes, Moysey was a genius in transfer market.
I am just happy that they are going down. Still remember their reaction when Aguero scored that damn goal.
That's his go-to line. I remember him saying the same when he managed us.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26795961
That was around the time I snapped.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26795961
That was around the time I snapped.
The facts speak for themselves.
Good post, insightful and interesting.
For me, I couldn't ever get on board with it. Have supported United since just before Fergie took over, and after about a month of Moyes I found myself starting to want him out because I knew how it was gonna play out (ok, I didn't actually know, but I felt very sure).
I felt sorry for him toward the end, with the plane banner and all that. I didn't like how you could see the stress was just flattening him.
That said, if I'm honest, I started to feel an actual resentment toward the club for making such a fecking idiotic decision - I felt, for the first time, that Utd was an out of touch institution that had become so bloated and detached from reality that it (the club itself) deserved the shit results and the embarrassment. Sounds bitter, but at the time that's how I felt.
I knew that the club needed to learn from it, and I wanted that to happen (the learning).
The pity you talk about was definitely there for me too, in my case it may have slightly prolonged my support for him in a roundabout way. What I mean is that, in here specifically, I thought a lot of the abuse he got was OTT. Its a delicate thing because a lot of it was completely deserved, he was out of his depth, he was shit, he was maddening. So it was completely justified and natural that there was a cacophony of anti-Moyes sentiment. Very occasionally it spilt over into territory that was undeserved. I am thinking in particular of the baying abuse he got after every single interview he did, when every word he said, and every facial gesture, was twisted and used as evidence that he was a loser. I think in retrospect I concluded more of it was undeserved than actually was. Some of those comments and facial gestures DID show he was a loser. (And my eureka moment, or one of them, was mentioned above, when he said even SAF would have been in the same situation he was, in March, when we were 7th. At which point there was no defending the shit he was coming out with.)
But that isnt the biggest part of it. The biggest part of it was just that I thought - my God, how many times have I typed this sentence over the past few years, especially the first few after SAF left, but even in the years before he left - any manager following SAF was destined to fail. In the short term at least. So maybe fail is the wrong word: struggle. I was (and to some extent still am) a fully signed up believer in the Poisoned Chalice Theory. So I thought his struggles were inevitable, and therefore it was a question of fairness that he be allowed to ride it out.
To qualify the above, I think with someone like Mourinho the poisoned chalice thing wasnt actually inevitable. But we needed someone bloody strong to come in and quite honestly I dont know how many other people could have done it, regardless of ability. It really was a bloody difficult job coming here after SAF, I know some people still think this is bollocks and everything was set and all it took was someone competent to keep things as they were but I will never agree with that. The difference is, a better manager would (maybe, we will never know) have managed our decline a little better, contained it. I think the pressure of it destroyed Moyes and the situation was made worse than it had to be - for him and for us - because he was so far out of his depth. So yes, I do and did feel some pity for him, but he has been a graceless prick since he left and he was a deeply uninspiring candidate in the first place.