I am Roy Keane.
Roy Keane - at it again.
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We won't get 4th so how can he cringe?
I get your point.. that's a good perspective
I think with the problems we face in the next weeks, getting CL football back and the player signings that may come with it for the next season is worthy of celebration. It isn't the same as winning a title or cup, but it's something to raise a glass to in my opinion. The start of better things with mourinho ( if we lose in the Europa league but get top 4 )
Top 4 would be a success. Mourinho has to build a team it won't be done in a season especially with so many average players in the team.
Keane has to realise United are not the same team they were under Fergie and have to change their expectations accordingly.
Keane has to realise United are not the same team they were under Fergie and have to change their expectations accordingly.
Why are people getting upset over harmless comments like these? Grow up.
If we were running away with the title and playing great football you'd never hear from Keane. He's still bitter at being bombed out by Fergie and just likes to keep his name out there every now and then by talking bollocks.
Bingo.
Jack Dee is funny though. He's just a miserable sod, and he doesn't recognise that things have changed, he played at a time without the billionaire sugar daddies, so much tougher now the financial landscape has changed.
Exactly sometimes I think I'm reading the daily mail comments when I come in and see the rage some posters get in over a throwaway statement that in all honesty is more or less true anyway
As for celebrating too four I don't know if I'd pop the champagne if we did it this season but they way we have played id certainly heave a sigh of relief .
He still won trophies and had more balls than every player we currently have. Honestly can't see how these harmless comments offend anyone, he said the same about Arsenal 3 seasons ago and we all lapped it up. It wasn't a dig at United specifically, just a general statement anyway.
Yes agree about what he won, but he tarnishes his legacy by being a miserable old extremely bitter cnut, that his ex tea mates despise. He was kicked out for a good reason, great record as a player but comes across as a massive cnut now.
Hasn't tarnished any legacy, deserved to get the boot and he was by his best as a player then anyway but easily a United legend. You must be a very sensitive chap to get so worked up over his opinions, none of which are anti United imo.
He's a massive cnut these days about the club and players, disagree that it isn't negative about the club. So it sounds like you don't think he's tarnished his legacy by his behaviour, I disagree. Personally, being the sensitive soul I am I don't hold him in the same regard as other player legends, basically they aren't massive twats like him.
What behaviour tarnished his legacy?
I would love for Keano to be playing with those guys that we have in the team today, I think the side would show more spirit, a better work ethic and he would for sure not let many of them get away with putting in half hearted displays. Keano was used to a very high standard and would never give up like shown in the famous semi final games against Juventus. We badly lack people with half his hunger and desire.
If we get top 4, my celebration will be to see one of City or Liverpool to play in Europa League next season. Not celebrating our top 4.
I don't see anything good for top 4. If we want CL ticket we can win the mickey mouse trophy (Europa League) means celebrating for a trophy.
I'm fine with this, someone's got to be holding the club's standards up (even though those standards haven't been the same since before Fergie left in truth), may as well be ex-players doing that side of it, since most of us (myself included) will see top 4 as a relief (and something we'll now need some real luck to secure).
The funny thing about this is that Rio got way more flack than the likes of Fletcher in that rant.
The equivalent today would be Pogba.
Just saying.
There's too much emphasis in the media on the shallow thoughts of former players and unemployed managers. Their views are consistently outdated, biased and insular.
He doesn't change does he. I never hear ex players who were as good or better saying things of that nature. He was lucky that he played in a team where his statements now were valid but the present Liverpool and United teams are a mile off the teams of the past. I like Roy and his openness. He doesn't mind being blocked after he has had his say
Did any of you cnuts actually read the article and what he said?
Shove it up your bollocks you bitter feck.
Fits. Until his recent injury Pogba was the most criticized on this forum. And people forget a young Rio had the same more flash than substance critique Pogba gets now.
We won't get top 4, joke's on him.
And we can still win a trophy that will get us CL so jokes on him again.
He's a weird one - always like to have 'controversial' opinions.. if he wasn't thrown out - Id call him attention seeking, but it feels very much as what he says he truly means.
I think he really craves to stand out in whatever he does - rarely sees things in context - just walking in his own bubble all the time, which is why he will never be a top manager.
I think he really craves to stand out in whatever he does - rarely sees things in context - just walking in his own bubble all the time, which is why he will never be a top manager.
He's not actually said anything controversial if you read the article. It's his usual style of going over the top and saying we're celebrating 4th place which is bizarre because we haven't even been in the top 4 for ages but the actual point he's making is absolutely true.
Yes. This is directly what he says:
""When I see clubs like Liverpool and Manchester United celebrating getting into the top four, I cringe at it, I really do."
"Any of these big clubs - do you think that Real Madrid and Barcelona would be celebrating getting fourth? Come on, get a grip."
So.. Whats your point?
Barcelona players did celebrate getting 4th under Rijkaard the season before they started playing amazing football with Ronaldinho. Just saying that the previous years put a different perspective. Although he is making a good point that our ambition should be higher, it is what it is.
I DID read the article. And I do think its controversial / over the top to say stuff like that. The point he is always trying to make is how high standards Roy Keane himself has, how eveeeerything would be better if we all had the Roy Keane old fashioned way of mindset and then its the usual statement of how things are shite. There's no context to the shit we've been facing, or the fact that we're just not Barca/Real level and the fact that there's suddenly 6 good clubs in the league. He speaks as if we're not allowed to celebrate any progress - its like he thinks we're still the team we were under Fergie.
He said what he said about not just us but also Arsenal and Chelsea. It's all about the standards these clubs should set for themselves. It has nothing to do with Keane himself given he didn't play for the other 2 clubs and given our standards were the same even after he left the club.
"When I see clubs like Liverpool and Manchester United celebrating getting into the top four, I cringe at it, I really do."
You made me open the article again, as Keane would said, shame on you!
We're all just Roy Keane's clickbait puppetsYes
, always thought he goes over the top intentionally to ensure he's noticed.These days I celebrate when we put a decent cross in.
You're talking about the guy who fell out with manager and missed World Cup the biggest tournament of his life because he thought Ireland weren't preparing for the highest standards like Germany or Brazil. So I don't think we should be surprised he talks like that.
And I don't like him as a pundit but for the first time in a very long time I agree with him. For the past 4 years our goal has been top 4 and we are satisfied with a CL spot. We're the biggest club in England, we should compete for titles. Our standards have lowered a lot after Fergie. That's what Keane means. I mean I get the situation we're in but it's just sad.
And I don't like him as a pundit but for the first time in a very long time I agree with him. For the past 4 years our goal has been top 4 and we are satisfied with a CL spot. We're the biggest club in England, we should compete for titles. Our standards have lowered a lot after Fergie. That's what Keane means. I mean I get the situation we're in but it's just sad.
I´d rather have someone like Keano who say´s things like they are rather than former players pretending everything is ok. Today mabye 2 players De Gea and Pogba would be able to get into the top teams in Europe. When Keano was playing we had players like this:
1999-2000 team: Schmeichel,G.Nev,Stam,Johnsen,Irwin,Beckham,Keano,Scholes,Giggs,Cole,Yorke and Sheringham,Solskjaer,Butt,P.Nev,Blomqvist on the bench.
2003 team: Barthez,G.Neville,Rio,Blanc,Silvestre,Beckham,Scholes,Keano,Giggs,Nistelrooy,Solskjær and Butt,Forlan,Fletcher,Brown,Veron,Phil Nev on the bench.
We also had a great team in the 2007/2008 season with: Van der Saar,G.nev,Rio,Vidic,Evra,Ronaldo,Carrick,Scholes,Giggs,Rooney,Tevez with Hargreaves,Park,Heinze,Nani,Pique,Fletcher,Silvestre,Saha on the bench.
If you compare those squads with the squad we have today there is one glaring fact, we have a squad much weaker than in the past. Of the players we have today, how many would get into the squads here above? At best De Gea and Pogba. Back in the day most teams in Europe would have like a big chunk of your players.
1999-2000 team: Schmeichel,G.Nev,Stam,Johnsen,Irwin,Beckham,Keano,Scholes,Giggs,Cole,Yorke and Sheringham,Solskjaer,Butt,P.Nev,Blomqvist on the bench.
2003 team: Barthez,G.Neville,Rio,Blanc,Silvestre,Beckham,Scholes,Keano,Giggs,Nistelrooy,Solskjær and Butt,Forlan,Fletcher,Brown,Veron,Phil Nev on the bench.
We also had a great team in the 2007/2008 season with: Van der Saar,G.nev,Rio,Vidic,Evra,Ronaldo,Carrick,Scholes,Giggs,Rooney,Tevez with Hargreaves,Park,Heinze,Nani,Pique,Fletcher,Silvestre,Saha on the bench.
If you compare those squads with the squad we have today there is one glaring fact, we have a squad much weaker than in the past. Of the players we have today, how many would get into the squads here above? At best De Gea and Pogba. Back in the day most teams in Europe would have like a big chunk of your players.
I don't see anything wrong with what he has said. But I also I don't see the team or manager celebrating 4th? Keane does love to have a dig so he is probably conjuring up an image of Mourinho, running down the line knee sliding on the final day of the season to secure that 4th spot and he is livid. Rightly so in his imaginary scenario.
My point is he's right and yet we get the usual 'Keane is a bitter cnut' reaction on here. Its pure bollox. We should be cringing at the fact we are scraping around for top 4.