Well, Keane knocked him down, Parker called him a coward and Gaz gave him the cold shoulder when the two met in the United vs Shitty game. Is that all a coincidence?
Roy Keane KO'D Heinze
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Pretty sure that was just Neville trying to "look like business" - you could almost see him suppress a smirk.
That's not how former teammates act. I met Gaz a couple of times and I assure you he doesn't act that way. He's one of the nicest people in football, in terms of being a gentleman he's the Messi of football.
Didn't hit that prick hard enough.
Gary used to barely acknowledge Phil when he used to play against us for Everton.
I didn't say that being a prick makes a good captain or player, just that some of the qualities that makes him a prick also heavily influenced his immense quality as a player and leader i.e. stubbornness, determination, will to win. He's far from perfect which is why SAF cut his ties with Keano, along with him, as a presence, becoming a liability.
Who would have won out of Shearer v Keane?
Clough knocked him down and he said nothing about it. Seriously guys, do you think that a captain should act that way?
Phil you are right about but Nicky was a double hard cnut off the pitch as well as on it.
You can have all that without being mental. I don't think that ruling with fear is what push the club to glory and I believe that SAF learnt that the hard way with Keane
I agree a captain shouldn't act that way, I just disagree with you making out that Keane was soft.
Heinze should have farted in his face tbf.
I reckon Shearer would have more knockout power than Keane so I'd say him.
Typical hardman, Its obvious that Keane would have been a nobody if it weren't for his physical talents, lacking in the brains department. Still one of the best midfielders we've had at the club.
Of all the talk of being the Manager on the pitch, Fergie is far more intelligent and better with people. Keane failed as a manager because belittling others is not effective management and getting stuck in is not a tactic.
Of all the talk of being the Manager on the pitch, Fergie is far more intelligent and better with people. Keane failed as a manager because belittling others is not effective management and getting stuck in is not a tactic.
I don't think Keane would have ever reached the level he did as a footballer if he didn't have his exact mentality. He was absolutely determined to become a serial winner. Nothing would stop him. Everyone is person manages their frustration and determination differently.
Now you're getting overboard. I never said that he was soft. All I am saying is that he's not the 'Wolverine' like Brute who would go head long against anyone and anything. He picks his opponents well and he knows how to keep his fists down if he wants to (ex he didn't hit Clough back because he was his manager and hitting him would ruin his career). His list grew bigger and bigger the more he felt influential. He overstepped with Queroz though, a man he was confident to bully down (assistant manager) which starting the beginning of the end of his United career
I wonder if all the Premier Leagues made up for him never winning that coveted box of Cornflakes.
Keane. No question. Apart from the fact he's a terrifying fecking psycho he was a talented amateur boxer so knows how to throw a punch. As far as I know Shearer's never been taught to fight in any discipline.
Damn, thought I'd edited it before anyone would get the chance to quote.
Here we go again, people downplaying how important Keane was to us.
I fecking hate these threads about our legends.
I fecking hate these threads about our legends.
Of course not. Sure people would have a different opinion of this if he had KO'd Scholes for example rather than Heinze. But as daft as it sounds, that was Keane, and whether he was captain or not he would of acted in the same manner. In that '94 team I imagine things like this happened a LOT more than we ever heard about, simply as it was a team of real hard characters who all had a will to win, Keane just didnt adapt his character as things changed around him.
Be hilarious if he went up against Zlatan, could imagine Zlatan doing the hold the head thing while Keane swings again and again 
There's absolutely nothing to be proud of being a bully which it's very clear Roy is.
There's absolutely nothing to be proud of being a bully which it's very clear Roy is.
or he's just a sociopath. He's my favourite footballing sociopath though, so props to him.
I don't by out Keane is mental thing. We're talking about a man who shrewdly avoided sending an application to United because he thought he wasn't good enough to play there. Instead he went with a lesser club knowing that he could work his way up. That does sound a good plan of a well balanced and mature man. At Forest, he handled his transfer request only to be punched by Clough. A man man would have beaten Clough to a pulp. Instead Keane closed an eye to it, knowing that hitting a living legend would end his career as a footballer.
So, in my opinion, Keane knew exactly what he was doing. He picked the fights he knew he can win and stirred away from people who could ruin him. Take a look at his bully list. Heinze, Schmeichel, the Nevilles, Pally, Queroz all were all people with equal/less standing to him. He didn't try to mess around SAF, Cantona or Sir Bobby because he knew that he would have been shown the door. Which suggest that he was nothing but a big bully who wanted things done his way. He's a great player but not a great man let alone captain
No one is saying the captain should act in that way. He didnt react when Clough hit him, but thats a good thing right. What do you want him to do hit an older guy then label him a coward for hitting middle aged people. Are people on here trying to say that Keane was soft and that he wasnt the driving force behind our sustained success.
Guy is a legend, alongside Cantona easily our must influential player in the past 20 years
Had a nasty habit of using his elbows, usually not seen by any official nor television camera.
Keane had his faults, lots of them, but personally wouldn't change how he was as a player at all. Magnificent influence on the pitch and terrific player. I'd not recommend any current player to follow his example.
Don't see why people are reflecting on how should behave, when it's all in the past. He'll always be remembered as a winner and a leader. Leave it to opposition fans to be bitter about the times he took things too far.
I'm no psychiatrist but Keane is clearly...not right.
pls read my previous post
If you don't think that Keane was a great captain then I'm afraid there's not much to discuss here.
and you're....not wrong !
That sentence makes absolutely no sense given he clearly was a good captain.
And by all accounts, Keane was a tough guy even though many are tempted to pay it down (maybe to appear above such things/snobbishness?). It takes immense toughness to be as good a captain as he was, and as aggressive as he was.
I don't think he is. A good captain would lead by example. Take Cantona as an example. He was a martial artist and the personification of all that is United. Yet he never hit or badmouthed any player. He was the first to come to training, the last to leave and he would never leave the Cliff without signing every single paper or shirt given to him by fans. I can make an endless list of people like him from Baresi to Maldini. When his time was up he retired rather then be a burden or blame his age on everyone.
I criticize the Nevilles alot but I can confirm that Gaz was also a decent captain for us.
So you think that good captains should knock their teammates around?
Did you start supporting United recently or something?
Whether a captain should be behave that way is a matter that's up for debate. What isn't is that he was a great leader of a great football team that won shitloads, and that he was indeed a very dominant, aggressive and intimidating personality which permeated on to the pitch as well.
Did he try to mess with SAF?Did you start supporting United recently or something?
Hasn't SAF himself spoken about Keane's fury in the past?
No idea why he'd mess with Sir Bobby.
And he clearly was a great captain.
Devilish being Devilish.
No idea why he'd mess with Sir Bobby.
And he clearly was a great captain.
Devilish being Devilish.
It's no suprise that it's that same poster involved here again, who happens to 'love the class of 92, our ex players, having met a few of them before and thinks they are 'great lads' etc, but takes great pleasure in putting them down whenever he can. It's getting really tedious tbf.
No I think that Roy Keane was a great captain let alone a good one. It has nothing to do with what he should do. Get the difference?
Serious question. Did you watch United when Keane played? The difference between the quality of the team when he played and when he didn't was night and day. I've never seen another player who had as much influence on the level of performance of his teammates.
Fergie didn't "allow" Keane to act that way. He encouraged it. Keane was the extension of Fergie on the pitch. That's why Keane feels so betrayed by how things ended. Fergie adapted, Keane didn't but that takes nothing away from how effective Keane was.
Re Beckham, yes a genuine mistake for which Fergie apologised and all was forgotten . . . . . until he sold him off the first chance he got.