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€70 million so more like £60 million but yeah that's a lot of money for a LB.Seventy million for a fecking left back, why not? What price Paolo Maldini in today's market? Or Bertie Carlos?
€70 million so more like £60 million but yeah that's a lot of money for a LB.Seventy million for a fecking left back, why not? What price Paolo Maldini in today's market? Or Bertie Carlos?
He'll play as a wing back which mitigates the price just a little, but yeah. These fees are the future, man.Seventy million for a fecking left back, why not? What price Paolo Maldini in today's market? Or Bertie Carlos?
A lot? It's insane. Juve will sell for 70mE and replace him for 15mE, and probably look no worse for it. He's not even THAT good.€70 million so more like £60 million but yeah that's a lot of money for a LB.
WrongA lot? It's insane. Juve will sell for 70mE and replace him for 15mE, and probably look no worse for it. He's not even THAT good.
Which part dingus? The insane fee, Juve effectively replacing him and still being as good, or him not being good enough to warrant a discussion at 70m?Wrong
Worth it for one of the top 2 players in the world in the position. If a club can afford it and it will help then achieve their goals then it's worth it. Wish we showed some initiative and upgraded our Conference level LB's with him.A lot? It's insane. Juve will sell for 70mE and replace him for 15mE, and probably look no worse for it. He's not even THAT good.
Probably only Marcelo that's better than Alex Sandro. Even then, Marcelo is a liability defensively at times. Which other LB's are better than Alex Sandro? You can make an argument for Felipe Luis but he's 31 and doesnt have room to get even better like Sandro does.A lot? It's insane. Juve will sell for 70mE and replace him for 15mE, and probably look no worse for it. He's not even THAT good.
Priceless.Seventy million for a fecking left back, why not? What price Paolo Maldini in today's market? Or Bertie Carlos?
In addition to Marcelo and Luis, cases might be made for Alaba, Guerreiro, Mendy, Emerson.Probably only Marcelo that's better than Alex Sandro. Even then, Marcelo is a liability defensively at times. Which other LB's are better than Alex Sandro? You can make an argument for Felipe Luis but he's 31 and doesnt have room to get even better like Sandro does.
He's better than all of them bar Marcelo.In addition to Marcelo and Luis, cases might be made for Alaba, Guerreiro, Mendy, Emerson.
Juve won't sell for €70M unless the player forces the moveWhich part dingus? The insane fee, Juve effectively replacing him and still being as good, or him not being good enough to warrant a discussion at 70m?
Fair enough, that's a point of view. Sandro is very good and I think most people would rightly have him somewhere in the top 5 for the position.He's better than all of them bar Marcelo.
Conference level LBs. This post and the transfer forum; a match made in heaven.Worth it for one of the top 2 players in the world in the position. If a club can afford it and it will help then achieve their goals then it's worth it. Wish we showed some initiative and upgraded our Conference level LB's with him.
There's no real appreciable difference between him and Alaba for example. Minute ones. I can see someone paying 40m for him in today's market, but at 70m you've just got to walk away. They only signed him for 26m two years ago. Buyers would be better off doing a bit more scouting.Probably only Marcelo that's better than Alex Sandro. Even then, Marcelo is a liability defensively at times. Which other LB's are better than Alex Sandro? You can make an argument for Felipe Luis but he's 31 and doesnt have room to get even better like Sandro does.
Which says everything about what is crazy in the market. If a foreign club had come in and bid 63m quid for peak Evra - as much as I love that magnificent little man - I'd have endorsed the club selling him, making a huge profit, and finding an excellent replacement.Juve won't sell for €70M unless the player forces the move
It's been widely reported that we'll be signing 6 new players so we'll address other needs as well. Our new Nike deal kicks in 1 week from today I believe and apparently well start announcing players then. Starting with Bakayko and hopefully Alex Sandro.Conference level LBs. This post and the transfer forum; a match made in heaven.
There's no real appreciable difference between him and Alaba for example. Minute ones. I can see someone paying 40m for him in today's market, but at 70m you've just got to walk away. They only signed him for 26m two years ago. Buyers would be better off doing a bit more scouting.
Which says everything about what is crazy in the market. If a foreign club had come in and bid 63m quid for peak Evra - as much as I love that magnificent little man - I'd have endorsed the club selling him, making a huge profit, and finding an excellent replacement.
For great managers, I think only a tiny handful of players in a team, are irreplaceable. For the rest, tactical systems and man management skills sees the rest as fairly interchangeable.
To me, Chelsea look like they need more depth and options for a busy campaign next season. Rather than spending a billion dollars on slightly upgrading their left wing back.
Aubumeyang misses too many sitters for my liking.Isn't it a bit weird that Dortmund are happy to see the back of him, that Real have dropped their long standing interest and that no other big clubs are interested?
He would fit in well with our players then.Aubumeyang misses too many sitters for my liking.
Yeah but even with your shiny new Nike deal, you've still got a finite budget. And if you're spunking 120m euros on Sandro and Bikramyoga, you've got to imagine that you've taken a massive chunk out of it, with only marginal improvement to the first xi. Then you've still gotta spend 100m to replace Costa.It's been widely reported that we'll be signing 6 new players so we'll address other needs as well. Our new Nike deal kicks in 1 week from today I believe and apparently well start announcing players then. Starting with Bakayko and hopefully Alex Sandro.
He scored 40 in 46 last season. How many could he have missed?Aubumeyang misses too many sitters for my liking.
We shall see. I have a feeling we'll come out of this transfer window with a much improved squad and much more capable starting XI to deal with the CL.Yeah but even with your shiny new Nike deal, you've still got a finite budget. And if you're spunking 120m euros on Sandro and Bikramyoga, you've got to imagine that you've taken a massive chunk out of it, with only marginal improvement to the first xi. Then you've still gotta spend 100m to replace Costa.
But tbh, I don't really follow the nuances of the Chelsea transfer policy, nor am I a football manager; so high probability I'm talking bollocks.
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There's a serious flaw in your logic. There's a reason why top players cost so much money. If you'd have sold peak Evra for 63m, what makes you think you'd be able to find an excellent replacement, even for a lot of money? Top players are normally playing for top clubs and are rarely for sale unless they get old/lose form, etc. So at best you'd probably have to replace that world class player with some second tier LB with great potential, hoping can replicate what you've lost by selling a star. And the selling club knowing your situation, he won't come cheap either. Which means you're taking a chance it'll be OK, but what's guaranteed is that you immediately downgrade your first eleven and the buying team improves theirs.Conference level LBs. This post and the transfer forum; a match made in heaven.
There's no real appreciable difference between him and Alaba for example. Minute ones. I can see someone paying 40m for him in today's market, but at 70m you've just got to walk away. They only signed him for 26m two years ago. Buyers would be better off doing a bit more scouting.
Which says everything about what is crazy in the market. If a foreign club had come in and bid 63m quid for peak Evra - as much as I love that magnificent little man - I'd have endorsed the club selling him, making a huge profit, and finding an excellent replacement.
For great managers, I think only a tiny handful of players in a team, are irreplaceable. For the rest, tactical systems and man management skills sees the rest as fairly interchangeable.
To me, Chelsea look like they need more depth and options for a busy campaign next season. Rather than spending a billion dollars on slightly upgrading their left wing back.
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Completely get what you mean. I think Chelski will always have an element of that tbh whilst Abramovich is in charge. I'd like to see how they'd cope without him first before ditching that view of them completely.PSG have that fake manufactured feel to me that City have and Chelsea used to have.
To be fair, I'm starting to feel less and less like this about Chelsea and City simply because the entire PL seems like this now. Yes, TV money isn't exactly a sugar daddy, but every team spends loads of money, and it doesn't feel natural to see Bournemouth bid £19m for Nathan Ake either. Newcastle spent £60 odd million in the Championship last summer.Completely get what you mean. I think Chelski will always have an element of that tbh whilst Abramovich is in charge. I'd like to see how they'd cope without him first before ditching that view of them completely.
Only buying "top players from top clubs" is not a counterpoint to my "seriously flawed logic" but instead itself indicative of unimaginative and somewhat unsustainable recruitment. Look at our last two brilliant back fours, and where we signed them from:There's a serious flaw in your logic. There's a reason why top players cost so much money. If you'd have sold peak Evra for 63m, what makes you think you'd be able to find an excellent replacement, even for a lot of money? Top players are normally playing for top clubs and are rarely for sale unless they get old/lose form, etc. So at best you'd probably have to replace that world class player with some second tier LB with great potential, hoping can replicate what you've lost by selling a star. And the selling club knowing your situation, he won't come cheap either. Which means you're taking a chance it'll be OK, but what's guaranteed is that you immediately downgrade your first eleven and the buying team improves theirs.
As for fees, yes, they are absolutely ridiculous. But if you have a shot at a top quality player enering his prime years, you should go for it. I'd rather we massively overpay for arguably world's second best leftback than spend the same money for two fullbacks that have just have top class potential because that's what it costs now. (Luke Shaw, anyone?)
If Real Madrid's recent success taught us anything, is that you can never have too many world class players in your squad.
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That's very impressive, I have to say. I guess it's just the games I watched then. Saw a few Dortmund games and watched the Nations Cup where he practically eliminated his country by missing some sitters.He scored 40 in 46 last season. How many could he have missed?