You think Lukaku is going to be on pens? He wasn't for Everton last season, and Pogba has a pretty good record on them.
Romelu Lukaku vs Alvaro Morata 2017/18
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Le Fondre was fantasy team gold for about a season and a half. And Christ how good has Aguero been? It'll be interesting to see how that goes this season.
On topic I'm happy with Lukaku and will not be beating myself up if in a gameweek he doesn't score while Morata does.
Also I'm less interested by the 'premier league proven' debate but what I do think is in Lukaku's favour is his existing relationship with Pogba and the premier league lads, I think already knowing a lot about what his teammates and the club is about will ease his integration in the side.
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Lukaku - initial fee £75m, plus £15m in add ons, plus Rooney, plus whatever ridiculous fee that fat fecker Raiola got.
Morata - initial fee £70m, plus £5m in add ons (Marca version) ;
- initial fee £58m, plus £12m in add ons (Telegraph version).
Remains to be seen if he's worth the money, but I'd much rather have Morata for the money spent than Lukaku for what United had to pay for him.
I think Lukaku will outscore Morata quite comfortably.
Agreed.
There can be no doubt that Lukaku was our first choice. It makes no sense for us to pay 75 million rising to 90 if we were baulking at 70 million Real were asking for Morata. I'm not sure who's the better player but we simply couldn't afford to go into next season with Morata as our main man given his scoring record before last season.
I took a look at the stats for Morata and it is interesting when he scores, lots of goals either against poor teams or when Madrid are already winning. Something that posters on CAF have levelled at Lukaku funnily enough. Both have a lot to prove, I think Morata is one of those players who could end up insanely good, but he is coming to the PL and will be up against a much more physically demanding environment. Lukaku is built from the ground up for the PL so doesn't have that bedding in period to worry about or the adjustment to style of play.
Morata's stats and scoring record (showing when he came on, etc)
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/alvaro-morata/leistungsdaten/spieler/128223/plus/1?saison=2016
Morata's stats and scoring record (showing when he came on, etc)
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/alvaro-morata/leistungsdaten/spieler/128223/plus/1?saison=2016
I wanted Alvaro fwiw. Think he offers more to a team but the boss made the call and we've got to hope Rom scores enough to outweigh the overall package that Morata brings to a side.
It's hard to dispute that.
I guess the bigger question is if it'll be enough to compensate for his lack of ability to do the other stuff Morata can. Morata will likely be excellent at bringing Hazard and Pedro into the game. Lukaku won't do the same for Martial/Lingard and Mkhi/Mata.
So do I but not because he's necessarily a better player. Costa was prolific at Atletico but turned out 18-20 per season for Chelsea on average. I'd guess that Morata will be much more involved in general play and helping others around him to get in on the goal scoring - something that doesn't really happen at United. Wasn't Mata our second highest scorer last year?
Basically I'd expect Chelsea to have goal scorers from everywhere whereas we'll funnel our attacks into Lukaku. He'll be the focal point resulting in more goals.
Another poster put it perfectly, forgot who it was.
Morata is a better player but Lukaku will suit Mourinho better
Morata is a better player but Lukaku will suit Mourinho better
There's a-bit of a weird Morata obsession around here these days.
Yep agree with this.
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Because its obvious? It was clearly Chelsea's, and we paid more for Lukaku than Madrid wanted for Morata, why would we pay more for our 2nd choice?
Its not bollox at all, Lukaku said he'd made his kind up months ago after he spoke to Mourinho. The media also reported for weeks we were after Keane, we then Signed Lindelof.
He's not your cup of tea, is he. Have you ever watched him play? just curious.
Weird and baseless comment. I actually stuck up for him a fair bit when we were heavily linked following all the Spanish Welbeck (
) comments on here. I'm actually a big fan, scrap that, a huge fan of his and happily would have had him here. I would rather Lukaku as I feel he's far more of a Mourinho player, but had we gotten Morata, I would have been happy. So yeah, he's certainly my cup of tea, so no idea where that came from.But I mean, we aren't getting him and just because we were in for him this summer, doesn't mean the obsession needs to continue forever more (which I feel it will around here).
Oh and as for "Have I ever watched him play?", I'm sorry but
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You say Morata isn't a goal scorer like there's some kind of invisible bars that will prevent him from scoring goals forever or something.
At Juve Morata often played wide and at Real he came off the bench, at Chelsea he'll presumably lead the line so chances are he'll score more often. I certainly think it's easier for a striker to improve their goal scoring stats, especially when given a run in a team like Chelsea with a great supporting cast, than it is for a player to suddenly improve their technique and ball playing abilities (Lukaku's perceived issues). We'll see who does better soon enough, hopefully it's Lukaku, but "Morata isn't a goal scorer" isn't something cemented in stone forever.
Rooney's deal was completely separate and you're deluding yourself if you believe that Morata agent didn't took any fee from you. You were the highest spending on agent fees last season inspite of spending less than us.
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Based on what? When you look at the games he was playing in he was up against the weaker teams in the league last year, and was often coming in as sub against weaker teams who were already beaten. I don't think he can't improve his stats but its not a certainty, Lukakus "poor first touch" is partly myth, and partly irrelevant with the player he is. Most pundits/coaches, etc, will tell you that things like goal scoring are part of a talent, something that is often in a players nature (or nurtured early who knows), improving finishing ability is just as difficult as improving technique.
Does Morata need to do that to be successful? Probably not to be honest, Morata has a broader game, but largely untested, he can have a big contribution to how Chelsea play or he may end up as a winger/front 3 player.
I expect Lukaku to score 10 or more goals than Morata. My prediction is Lukaku will score 28 for us and Morata will score 17 for Chelsea.
@TsuWave.
The hardest part of football is putting the ball in the net. I can't think of a single player who became a goalscorer in their mid twenties yet players routinely improve their alround game as they get older.
Morata is not a goalscorer no matter what metric is used.
The hardest part of football is putting the ball in the net. I can't think of a single player who became a goalscorer in their mid twenties yet players routinely improve their alround game as they get older.
Morata is not a goalscorer no matter what metric is used.
I remember when we were first linked with Morata for £70million somebody on here referred to him as the 'Spanish Welbeck'.
How times have changed...
How times have changed...
Nah, the hardest part of football is to create chances regularly.
Hmm interesting thought, I kind of get where you are coming from, care to explain what you mean:
1) Create chances for yourself
2) Create chances for others
I think they are different things, 1) I would count positioning, creating space by dribbling, winning duels, etc, 2) is about scholes like vision, etc
The only confirmed fee for Lukaku is 75m so let's not make things up.
Lukaku is worth more as he scores double the amount of goals.
I'm talking about both it's a simple idea, in isolation one is not better than the other, they are both part of the most important thing in football. The ability to create goalscoring opportunities is the most important thing in football, you will find plenty of players able to score goals if the chances is handed to them but you will find a lesser number of players able to create at the top level.
How is it that after weeks of wrangling we were no farther forward with Morata but Chelsea got the deal done in a matter of days. Was Woody doing he usual 2nd-class post thing and quibbling over £4.50p train fare?
When it looked like he was certain to sign for you a lot of posters went over the top praising him, they'd look silly now if they suddenly backtracked just because he's signed for a rival.
Thierry Henry didn't score 20 league goals until his age 24 season. Didier Drogba didn't score 20 league goals until his age 28 season. And that's just off the top of my head in recent years in the PL.
I suspect Real were holding out, hoping that we would get more desperate the further we got into the window. Maybe they wanted De Gea as a part ex on the deal, maybe they wanted more money from us, hoping to back us into a corner. When we backed out of the deal to follow Lukaku, they have been left holding a player who doesnt want to stay, and they want the money to buy players so they have taken the first deal on the table.
Weird comment. There were plenty that though / think he's garbage and were calling him the Spanish Welbeck.
Anyhow, I do rate him, yes. I actually think he's a cracking player and given the chance at Chelsea - which he will - I reckon he'll be class. Kind of like a Costa without all the drama. However, we don't need multiple threads on the guy. He's going to Chelsea, not United, so time to move onwards and upwards.
Agreed. I was never a big fan and think he is quite overrated. Not the biggest lukaku fan either but between those two I take lukaku any day.
It is the first time that morata is #1. He'll be under a lot of pressure to perform. We'll see if he is as good as people think
Nothing comment. You should check whether the same posters are making the comments or they are still staying with "Morata isn't all that" stance which they made when ManUtd looked favorites to sign him.
Which of these two was our first choice?
Lukaku says he knew he'd be joining us for months yet we spent all that time negotiating for Morata. Then once negotiations fail, we suddenly sign Lukaku with minimum fuss as if we had just left the option on the table.
I'm thinking Lukaku was a backup option.
Lukaku says he knew he'd be joining us for months yet we spent all that time negotiating for Morata. Then once negotiations fail, we suddenly sign Lukaku with minimum fuss as if we had just left the option on the table.
I'm thinking Lukaku was a backup option.
Or we could have just been using Morata as a smokescreen who knows. The Jose quote is interesting about not reaching a deal for Morata though, so I don't know how to take it, it is possible Jose is:
a) trying to cover up that we always wanted Lukaku and Morata was a backup choice (we don't want Real to think we are dicks in case we want to buy players from them)
b) trying to cover up we wanted Morata but had lukaku on a back burner
I think both are possible, Jose's comments could easily be seen in either light.
We've paid more money for Lukaku than Madrid wanted for Moratta, why would we do that for a second choice?
Morata 40 goals in 4 years
Lukaku 105 goals in 4 years
Lukaku played in less dominant sides.
GGMU
Lukaku 105 goals in 4 years
Lukaku played in less dominant sides.
GGMU
Morata was always my first choice, but I'm happy with Lukaku and I think he'll be excellent for us. He's definitely a more likely top scorer than Morata. However I do think Morata is brilliant and a perfect fit for Chelsea's system, so that worries me a bit.
Drogba was never a goalscorer though. He just maintained his rate with a few better seasons than others.
We can't just give Morata the benefit of the doubt that he can just develop his goal scoring at 24. It's ridiculous and is the biggest reach in this thread.
Hell Drogba himself looked clumsy and unorthodox in his younger days until he became who he was.
Henry wasn't showing any of the talent and level of skill that he would show that he had when he was Lukakus age. People may have thought he could be an excellent player but you're a liar if you said he would become as great as he was.
Modric level of technique has improved ten fold since joining Madrid. Younger Bale to present Bale. Technique can be worked on.
If Morata suddenly starts banging in 20/25 goals a season from now on he will have developed at a rate that only the all time greats have done.