Nemanja Matic| BBC says deal agreed

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Matic isn't the best DMF to stand against Barca attack either but at the same time, he would have been better than Carrick!by a mile. I don't want to see Carrick this season except in the cup games tbh.
Isn't he your captain now?
 

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I think too many on here are conflating Chelsea's need to upgrade their players to suit their playing system better, with the players being replaced being useless. Conte tends to like mobile, dynamic players for his 3-4-3. Hence attempting to add the dynamism and legs of Bakayoko, and the back from loan Pasalic in place of Matic, plus squad men like Challobah and Loftus Cheek, kinda makes tactical sense. But just because a Matic suits their needs less, doesn't mean that is the case for other teams with different needs.
None of Chalobah (sold), Pasalic or Loftus-Cheek (loaned) will be at Chelsea next season.

I hope we keep Matic, otherwise Lewis Baker is the only backup.
 

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Really hope we avoid a lumbering sack of shit like Matic but I guess the aim is to make Tony Pulis jealous of all our big sweaty men...
Ah right, Matic is tall so that must mean he's shit and only suited to Pulis hoof ball...
 

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Ah right, Matic is tall so that must mean he's shit and only suited to Pulis hoof ball...
There's a reason Chelsea are getting rid, he's been on the decline for a while now. If its him or Dire I'd rather the spurs player (even though I'm not keen on either of them)
 

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There's a reason Chelsea are getting rid, he's been on the decline for a while now. If its him or Dire I'd rather the spurs player (even though I'm not keen on either of them)
He is not best suited to Conte's 3-4-3 and he won't sign a new contract. So they are willing to sell.
 

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I'm no expert on Matic but I think the reason Chelsea don't want him anymore is because he is a pure DM and it doesn't fit into their 343 formation. They need 2 mobile box-to-box midfielders. That is why they signed Bakayoko and not Fabinho. We need a player like Matic(a pure DM) so that we can free Pogba and let him play his natural game. The real question is whether we find a better DM than Matic. Looks like Jose rates Matic higher than Fabinho. There aren't too many other DMs available. The few I can think of are Casemiro, Busquets, Dier, Wanyama, Carvalho, Danilo, Parades and Weigl. Most of them are unavailable and others are not at Matic's level.
 
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None of Chalobah (sold), Pasalic or Loftus-Cheek (loaned) will be at Chelsea next season.

I hope we keep Matic, otherwise Lewis Baker is the only backup.
If you only keep Baker I'll feel real bad for y'all. Especially if you sign no one else. Because from what I've seen he looks even more offensive minded than Cesc just as defensively unaware.
 
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This transition isn't going to magically happen nor is it going to be aided by a DM that can barely get turned around, which also makes any midifield dominating hard to do as Matic vs the press is a liability....
That is just not true. Player who are excellent postionally and never allow to be dragged about, who are good I'm tight spaces are crucial to breaking any pressing system.
 
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I reckon a deal is close.

Pogba played the bulk of yesterdays game on the right side of the midfield two and three. He's usually on the left.
 

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I know it was Barca, I know it was a friendly, but last night's game just reminded us of how ineffective Carrick is in 2017. This has to be his last season. Cup games, the odd league start/sub appearance and a dignified retirement at the end of the season please.
 

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I'm no expert on Matic but I think the reason Chelsea don't want him anymore is because he is a pure DM and it doesn't fit into their 343 formation. They need 2 mobile box-to-box midfielders. That is why they signed Bakayoko and not Fabinho. We need a player like Matic(a pure DM) so that we can free Pogba and let him play his natural game. The real question is whether we find a better DM than Matic. Looks like Jose rates Matic higher than Fabinho. There aren't too many other DMs available. The few I can think of are Casemiro, Busquets, Dier, Wanyama, Carvalho, Danilo, Parades and Weigl. Most of them are unavailable and others are not at Matic's level.

I should buy you a drink for this.

Nemanja Matic is massively under rated in here. As a 'playmaking' DM, he is one of the most experienced and best in world football. Jose has worked with him before. There is a reason he wants him in his team.
 

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This is dragging on a bit. What's the hold-up?
 

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Have a feeling it'll be done when we get back from the tour, hopefully before Sunday, can have some involvement in the 2 friendlies and the super cup
 

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Two years ago I would have love to sign him.

His recent stats indicate a significant decline though.
 

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He's an unappreciated enabler of proven pedigree in this league under this manager.
If nothing else, that video shows that he has great awareness about positional play. He is obviously good, part of Chelsea's 2 recent premier league runs (vital part in one of them)
 

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Let's wait and see who he is playing for on September 1st before I answer that.

Only kidding, yes, I do. He's got his limitations but he is generally a very effective player. I hope we keep him.
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Matthaus was a DM for Bayern when he's getting slow a lot. Bayern's collapse in 99' started when he was subbed out. Then you see Busquets, one of the recent great DM, who's not the pitbull-in-heat type DM either. It just shows how important player's intelligent above other attributes for a DM position.

Anyway, the aim for this season is challenging the league. Large part of Fergie's success in the league is by buying established PL players, in balanced with few imports. Matic may seem like a quick fix with less long-term view, but that is exactly what United need at this moment. To be back in the groove, and put its name back on the football map again.
 
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Matthaus was a DM for Bayern when he's getting slow a lot. Bayern's collapse in 99' started when he was subbed out. Then you see Busquets, one of the recent great DM, who's not the pitbull-in-heat type DM either. It just shows how important player's intelligent above other attributes for a DM position.

Anyway, the aim for this season is challenging the league. Large part of Fergie's success in the league is by buying established PL players, in balanced with few imports. Matic may seem like a quick fix with less long-term view, but that is exactly what United need at this moment. To be back in the groove, and put its name back on the football map again.
Busquets looks great because of their formation and style. When their midfield fell apart against psg he looked invisible.

Every midfielder needs help.
 

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Says Jose wants him before the start of the season.
Delaney probably copied that from some gossip column, but if it finally happens, I'll be delighted. Matic is the best we can do this window. I am not too sure Fabinho is defensively good enough for the league yet, and Dier is Dire. Other options like Jorginho, Weigl, Carvalho that get thrown about don't entirely seem the finished product.

Matic is the safe bet who can give us minimum 2 years of service until we sign a younger, better DM.
 

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Busquets looks great because of their formation and style. When their midfield fell apart against psg he looked invisible.

Every midfielder needs help.
You don't think Busquets is/was a great DM?
 

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Honest question, Matic would be yesterdays direct replacement of Herrera that was out due injury?
If thats the case I dont see Carrick playing a big role this season , sames as last season with Wayne, Uniteds bench captain.
 

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You don't think Busquets is/was a great DM?
Obviously I do, but he would look more out of place in another team. He never has to cover more than 5-10 yards before another team mate is helping him.

Look how many times our midfielders get isolated and caught running back up the pitch. It's more about team shape and the gaps we leave between the lines.
 

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Obviously I do, but he would look more out of place in another team. He never has to cover more than 5-10 yards before another team mate is helping him.

Look how many times our midfielders get isolated and caught running back up the pitch. It's more about team shape and the gaps we leave between the lines.
Stop that before you invite ridicule on yourself. Busquets would improve any team.
 
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