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Are they all just shite? Is there any we should even consider signing?

Apart from Smalling, I can't think of any of ours that would even start for us and that's only because of suspension. Rashford is probably going to be coming on from the the bench a fair bit.

Sort of sad not to see any in our potential lineups going forward.
 
Think Tottenham might have one. What's his name? Blaine? Payne?
 
There are good players out there like Kane & Alli but for the rest it's quite dire.
 
I used to have this opinion but the emergence of Alli, Kane, Rashford etc has kinda changed my views a bit.

English players I'd have at United? Danny Rose or Ryan Bertrand would be welcome additions at LB and a big improvement on Shaw in my book.

Eric Dier would probably be good here. But my main "want" would definitely be Dele Alli. He would light it up for us alongside Pogba. What a midfield that would be.
 
Sammyjunn said:
The next generations are filled with wonderkids I believe. Doing well.
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There has been a massive improvement. This summer Sancho won the u17 Euros best player. Solanke won the u20 World Cup best player and Mason Mount will surely win the u19 Euro best player when they finally announce it.

At United we have Gomes and Tuanzebe that are really highly rated.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Are they all just shite? Is there any we should even consider signing?

Apart from Smalling, I can't think of any of ours that would even start for us and that's only because of suspension. Rashford is probably going to be coming on from the the bench a fair bit.

Sort of sad not to see any in our potential lineups going forward.
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I think the issue is fees as opposed to necessarily quality.

Butland - could be a long-term replacement if De Gea leaves
Alli - Would be a great signing if he was attainable
Dier - Was heavily linked and would have been a good signing at the very least IMO.
Rose/Bertrand - Both would be upgrades at LB at this point with Shaw not progressing/always injured.
Keane - Linked and maybe should have been the CB signing as opposed to Lindelof.
Barkley - Not for the money Everton want(ed), but at reduced fee might be worth a punt
Kane - would have been an incredible signing but not attainable and you got Lukaku
Sterling - would be a good addition out-wide if he was attainable
Oxlade-Chamberlain - A bit like Barkley, not progressed as he should have but has potential and could have been worth a punt for a reasonable fee.

There's a lot of talented youngsters as well.

Not being funny but when you have Jesse Lingard in your squad and he plays a substantial amount of games - then yes, there are England players who would improve your group of players.
 
DannyCAFC said:
I think the issue is fees as opposed to necessarily quality.

Butland - could be a long-term replacement if De Gea leaves - meh, stay away, away
Alli - Would be a great signing if he was attainable - yep
Dier - Was heavily linked and would have been a good signing at the very least IMO. - meh
Rose/Bertrand - Both would be upgrades at LB at this point with Shaw not progressing/always injured. - okay, meh
Keane - Linked and maybe should have been the CB signing as opposed to Lindelof. - meh
Barkley - Not for the money Everton want(ed), but at reduced fee might be worth a punt - meh
Kane - would have been an incredible signing but not attainable and you got Lukaku - yeah, yeah, yeah
Sterling - would be a good addition out-wide if he was attainable - yep
Oxlade-Chamberlain - A bit like Barkley, not progressed as he should have but has potential and could have been worth a punt for a reasonable fee. - meh

There's a lot of talented youngsters as well.

Not being funny but when you have Jesse Lingard in your squad and he plays a substantial amount of games - then yes, there are England players who would improve your group of players.
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How I feel about the players you mentioned.
 
Lots of decent prospects, but hardly any of them managed to take the jump from "Promising youngster" to good/very good. Lots of them also seemed to have massive injury problems.
Shaw, Ox-Chamberlain, Jones, Wilshere, Sturridge etc
 
Lots of potential,

But i feel its the cultural thing Which keeps them fulfilling the potential at highest level and the Easy money they get is also a factor.

English players are never the most technical players in any sport so i think its mostly down to their Culture and food And diet preferences which keeps them Behind top level in any sport.
 
BennyBlanco said:
Lots of decent prospects, but hardly any of them managed to take the jump from "Promising youngster" to good/very good. Lots of them also seemed to have massive injury problems.
Shaw, Ox-Chamberlain, Jones, Wilshere, Sturridge etc
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I think shaw is just unfortunate because his is contact injuries.
 
Is this a joke?

I would rather sign Kane and Alli than any other pair of players in the world.

Wonderful talents. Proven already.
 
There are obviously some good english players out there but most of them are tied down to clubs who dont need or want to sell.
 
Plenty of good English players. They don't know how to play together for the NT but they're good club players. England lack a good MC which is something they've had in abundance through the year. Put a top class MC in front of Dier and behind Alli and you've got yourself a top 5 team in the world on paper.

As for signing them, it's been tried. Dier was wanted and Alli and Kane would be good but they're both unattainable. All the best players are.
 
Snow said:
Plenty of good English players. They don't know how to play together for the NT but they're good club players. England lack a good MC which is something they've had in abundance through the year. Put a top class MC in front of Dier and behind Alli and you've got yourself a top 5 team in the world on paper.

As for signing them, it's been tried. Dier was wanted and Alli and Kane would be good but they're both unattainable. All the best players are.
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I think If we really want we could get ali.
 
Look at our under 18 team, we have some wonderful English prospects. Tuanzebe, Rashford plus a few others at the club also look exceptional. No idea why we get so many posts deriding English players?

As for signings, Dier, Ali, Kane, Oxlade-Chamberline, Rose and Walker would all get lots of game time if they joined United.
 
Alli, Rashford, and Kane all have promising futures. Whether you as a country are able to find a goalie, defenders, and a midfielder is another story.
 
Of course there is good English talent out there. Unfortunately, they're all at rival clubs. That, and, there's no point just buying English players for the sake of it.

I'd like Barkley at United, but they'd be nowhere to put him. We need a winger, though, and at the moment, there's not really any English wingers worth buying.

Sterling - Very good. Would have him at United but he's at City

Lallana - Again, very good. At Liverpool

Lingard - Got him

Rashford - Got him

Welbeck - Would have him back at United. Actually, I reckon he could do the 'Perisic' role Jose is looking for. Up and down the left wing. Obviously he's at Arsenal, though.

Oxlade-Chamberlain - Much better as a centre midfielder, in my opinion. Average as a winger.

Walcott - Not good enough. Does get his fair share of goals, though.

Up and coming talents:

Redmond - Good player. Needs to progress further, but someone we could look at

Demari Gray - Same as Redmond. Showing potential, but needs to progress

Roberts - At City, so no point. However, showing tremendous promise

Lookman - Fantastic in the U20's world cup. Needs more games, but someone worth looking at.

Ojo - Showing promise. At Liverpool, though.

In terms of the England team, I don't think we're any worse off than the other countries. We've got some really good talents, in my opinion.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Of course there is good English talent out there. Unfortunately, they're all at rival clubs. That, and, there's no point just buying English players for the sake of it.

I'd like Barkley at United, but they'd be nowhere to put him. We need a winger, though, and at the moment, there's not really any English wingers worth buying.

Sterling - Very good. Would have him at United but he's at City

Lallana - Again, very good. At Liverpool

Lingard - Got him

Rashford - Got him

Welbeck - Would have him back at United. Actually, I reckon he could do the 'Perisic' role Jose is looking for. Up and down the left wing. Obviously he's at Arsenal, though.

Oxlade-Chamberlain - Much better as a centre midfielder, in my opinion. Average as a winger.

Walcott - Not good enough. Does get his fair share of goals, though.

Up and coming talents:

Redmond - Good player. Needs to progress further, but someone we could look at

Demari Gray - Same as Redmond. Showing potential, but needs to progress

Roberts - At City, so no point. However, showing tremendous promise

Lookman - Fantastic in the U20's world cup. Needs more games, but someone worth looking at.

Ojo - Showing promise. At Liverpool, though.

In terms of the England team, I don't think we're any worse off than the other countries. We've got some really good talents, in my opinion.
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The thing is with English players is they show promise then lose focus and become bang average. Rashford being the biggest exception to that, he seems extremely motivated and hardworking.

From that list, Lallana, Barkley, Lingard and Welbeck are not that good. Welbeck could definitely not do the Perisic role by the way, he can't cross or take people on for shit.

I'd like to see us splash out on Alli, I really, really rate him. Phil Foden at City looks class too, shame he's at City.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Danny Rose should be under consideration. We should be looking to sign Sancho immediately if possible too.
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As good as he is, not worth the record fee for a defender especially with him getting more injuries into his record now. Doesn't look promising to blend with our annual defense injury crisis.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Is this a joke?

I would rather sign Kane and Alli than any other pair of players in the world.

Wonderful talents. Proven already.
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Interesting, I'd most definitely rather sign Neymar and Dybala over those two any day of the week but ok
 
The problem is the hype train that you English all seem to ride as soon as any youngster has a couple of good games and is proclaimed the next savior of English football i.e. Rashford

I also believe people are too agreeable with larger media perception of your heros i.e. rooney Gerard lampard terry and afraid to drop them from English team even if they don't work together or playing poorly yet when a vastly superior young we player comes along and proves himself over a couple of seasons in one of their positions you are too slow to usurp the legend i.e. Kane v Rooney or carrick instead of one of lampard Gerard.

Basically your opinions are influenced too heavily by media hype trains to make a rational judgement on players.

I still think England could have a very good team now but would have to pick players to suit the system and ignore the nonsense and get a good strong manager.

The hardest things to get in international football are potent attacking threats and in Kane and Alli you lot have 2 of the best young options in that area of the pitch. I think if Jose was in charge of national team you would compete for honors with those 2 at the sharp end leading the charge. Mostly every other position in the team needs to be made of good players playing in a system that suits them and England have plenty of them.
 
Phil Foden, Mason Mount, Reece Oxford, Sessegnon, Dozzell, Gray, Sancho , Holding, and Reiss Nelson are all top talents coming through the youth levels.
 
Snow said:
Plenty of good English players. They don't know how to play together for the NT but they're good club players. England lack a good MC which is something they've had in abundance through the year. Put a top class MC in front of Dier and behind Alli and you've got yourself a top 5 team in the world on paper.

As for signing them, it's been tried. Dier was wanted and Alli and Kane would be good but they're both unattainable. All the best players are.
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Nope, you don't. The defense is shit, as is the keeper. And Dier isn't much better. The attack is okay with Kane, Alli and Sterling though, but still nowhere a really top team.
 
I wouldn't be surprised to see us go get an english squad player. I think the only reason we'd have reportedly been looking at Keane and Dier was because they were english nationals.

Cost might mean we have to keep looling internally
 
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