[Summit]

Klopp is having trouble with lesser teams too. So don't get that one.

Chance after chance after chance against the lesser teams and they don't score, but are attacking and getting through on goal at will. Their attacking isn't a problem it is sometimes their finishing. We have struggled to string anything together at all recently. We lack ideas, never seem to get behind the defence and are now making teams like Huddersfield look like a competent defensive outfit, when in reality they are crap and it is us that can't attack.

 

[deafepl]

Focus on making top 3 this season. Then get rid of the average players in the summer and sign some good ones.

I think we are going to break our record transfers window, Herrea, Feliani, Mata, Blind, Zlatan Carrick and possibly Shaw will be a free agent next summer if United didnt activate option extension or they refuse to sign a new contract so we will need to recruit a new player to replace them.

 

[GM K]

I still think many people are underestimating the negative impact of not having Pogba, Fellaini and Carrick available. Throw in the poor form of Miki, Mata and Herrera. It's like we have been playing without a midfield.

 

[lawliet354]

So true. Just crowd out the left winger and the job was done today.

Surprised that it took this long for other team to find out tbh, we haven't had proper right wing since.......Di Maria???

 

[SwansonsTache]

Lingard, Mata, Young, Herrera, Lindelöf, Mkhi - not a single one of them would make it into another top 6 first 11, most of them would be lucky to make the bench, and today we started them all bar Lindelöf and Mkhi.

We need a total revamp of the attack, no more carrying dross, just purge it.

 

[DubaiReds]

There are some defeats that make you feel dreadful...this is one of them. Fact was I sat in a pub watching it and on the other screen Citeh were playing. The fact it was an out and out dive for their penalty just twisted the knife further. When Herrrera got taken out in the area nothing happens. I know I know sour grapes and all that and we deserved nothing today. But I still feel total crap

 

[sunama]

Don't know why people are surprised at the overreaction. This place was unbearable when we were winning

Well, the meltdown over the next week or so will be epic.e
This is just the beginning.

 

[Ramshock]

How would that help?

Because every cnut is going to play us that way since Jose says we only have 2 CMs available despite Blind or McTominay being capable. We also cant support Lukaku at the minute without PP so if we put Rashford up top with him and 5 across the middle we can at least do something different.

This Mata/Mkhi.at RW nonsense is doing my nut in also there is no reason we cant try a Martial Lukaku Rashford front three.

 

[Ban]

Chance after chance after chance against the lesser teams and they don't score, but are attacking and getting through on goal at will. Their attacking isn't a problem it is sometimes their finishing. We have struggled to string anything together at all recently. We lack ideas, never seem to get behind the defence and are now making teams like Huddersfield look like a competent defensive outfit, when in reality they are crap and it is us that can't attack.

It's not the only problem but a midfield 2 of Ander and Matić isn't working. And of course Mickhi's form isn't helping either.

 

[Son Of Sam]

This is going to be a long season, and almost certainly will not be as successful as last year, which was always going to be difficult to beat, but there’s signs of regression already. Last season, when we failed to win, we generally kept it tight and created a lot of chances, but happened to have a genuinely remarkable season in terms of poor conversion.

Today was quite enlightening. Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher are going to rip this apart, because an armchair amateur like me can see what was going wrong. Huddersfield were so narrow at times that when we were on the edge of their box, all of their players bar one or two were within a 10m circle. Whoever had the ball was surrounded, but there was an awful lot of space out wide or even just away from the ball. Taking Mata off was a big error here, because he has the technical ability to thrive in these tight spaces and and move the ball into the danger areas quickly.

Huddeersfield could defend narrow as we had nothing to offer wide. Rashford was a second centre forward, so Young had the left flank alone, but wanted to cut inside onto his right. It was Townsend-esque it was so one dimensional. Mkhi and Lingard were both narrow and offered very little second half. A couple of Mkhi’s ball at the end were just horrendous. On the right we had Valencia, who is remarkably easy to block off, due to his lack of willingness to take on his man. Show him onto his left foot, he will realise he doesn’t have one and simply pass it square. Our best bit of wide play came from Lukaku who decided to attack the flank, shrugged off the defender and fired a peach for Rashford to nod in.

Neither the manager nor the players seemed to be aware of how best to get back into this match and that is a big worry. It’s one thing to lose and fail because of poor conversion or a big refereeing decision or two, but it is another when you are behind for the majority of the game and you are unable at any point to exert your will on it.

This may well be for Mourinho, what the 2-1 loss to Bournemouth was for Van Gaal: a performance so flawed and baffling that it undermines your faith in the leader almost irreparably.

Don’t let his name bamboozle you. Taking Mata off was the right decision. He’s been shit in every game this season. He’s too weak....and he offers no pace when he loses the ball. His weakness cost United the first goal.

We lost the game because of Mata - why should he still be on the pitch. A newly promoted side playing at home against United. Jose’s instructions must have been not to concede early to keep the crowd quiet.

Mata decided otherwise to keep them loud and handed the momentum to them. If I were Jose, Mata would be gone by January. David Silva has a small frame but he protects the ball. Mata is too weak to be a United player. He’s offered nothing this season.

 

[DubaiReds]

Lingard, Mata, Young, Herrera, Lindelöf, Mkhi - not a single one of them would make it into another top 6 first 11, most of them would be lucky to make the bench, and today we started them all bar Lindelöf and Mkhi.

We need a total revamp of the attack, no more carrying dross, just purge it.

Take Young out of that group - he gives his all and most of the time so does Mata. But it was dire today.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Surprised that it took this long for other team to find out tbh, we haven't had proper right wing since.......Di Maria???

Who didn't even play on the right? I suppose it didn't help that our left wingers weren't playing well, nor the rest of the team. But the lack of a real threat on the right has been an obvious issue for a good while.

 

[LoneStar]

Absolutely deserved! Only consolation we can't really get any worse.

The next two games are against Spurs and Chelsea.

 

[Son Of Sam]

I get what you're saying but we've been garbage up front. Even if we didn't concede those 2 goals thanks to errors how would we score?

Rashford scored a goal!

That woulda been 1-0 result for United like we fluked it at Southampton & recently at Benfica.

 

[deafepl]

This result has been coming post Anfield. Full backs are average not good enough. Herrera-Matic have been terrible as a pair and we are not creating anything in the final third.

Only surprised it took this long for us to get punished for losing the ball. Mkhitaryan has been doing that all season.

We are RB, LB and CM and CAM short. Too many players who don't deliver. Mourinho tactics has also caused this recent decline of performances with his shambles set up at Anfield. Instilled negative sideways and backwards football. I'm seeing too many touches and slow passes and zero movement.

Desperately need Fellaini, Bailly & Pogba back. Herrera-Matic have been awful.

Don't forget Jones too

 

[Summit]

It's not the only problem but a midfield 2 of Ander and Matić isn't working. And of course Mickhi's form isn't helping either.

So then it is on Jose to get it working isn't it?

 

[Player Red]

Been on a beach near Giant's Causeway without even a radio so couldn't follow match.
Would "mediocre" describe us today?

That would be a compliment

 

[AgentP]

We can't rely on Jones. The guy will be injured for most of the season, as has been the case for the last few seasons.
Jose should've seen this coming - he built a CB partnership, using a player who is injured for the majority of the time.

Jose just went with our best options. Just because a player is injury-prone, you can't deny him a chance when he is fit. Maybe when Rojo returns back to full fitness, Bailly and him could be our main CB pairing.

 

[11101]

Meh.

We were dominating the game until Mata made his first contribution of the game. You have one of those mistakes a season, we had two in one game. Not much you can do about that.

I dont understand why we are still so afraid of playing a quick forward pass.

 

[fellaini's barber]

So true. Just crowd out the left winger and the job was done today.

Its been like that all season, how the manager has not noticed and switch things up every once in a while is beyond me

 

[TMDaines]

We are 2nd in the league, top of the CL group.
Sorry mate, but we are not anywhere near to where LVG was when the "LVG Out!" thread was created.

We are, yes, but the last six or seventh months have suggested that I don’t expect us to compete for the league or CL this year, which is surely the aim. Most decent sides will look great when they are hot, but you can tell more about sides when they are in adversity. We lack in adversity nearly every single time right now.

 

[Ban]

Rashford scored a goal!

That woulda been 1-0 result for United like we fluked it at Southampton & recently at Benfica.

After we were 2-0 down. Other than that we didn't create a proper chance the whole game.
If it stayed 0-0 after 1st half Rashford wouldn't score that goal. It doesn't work that way.

 

[gerdm07]

Two points I want to make. 1. Our passing is so sloppy at times. Players need to stretch to receive so many balls or they have to adjust their position away from where they want to go. This slows our play down. For example, Mata deserves criticism for losing the ball because he seemed to have misjudged the pass from Young (maybe the ball skipped on the wet surface), but Young deserves criticism for making Mata's job hard to receive a clean pass. So many of our passes are like this and good teams don't do this that often.

Secondly, I'm really disappointed in Martial. The whole yellow card situation was his doing and it wasn't necessary. He also gave the ball away so many times while being so casual. He is, more and more, becoming one of those players with immense talent but he is a terrible team player. He dribbles just because with no real intent or plan. He walks around the pitch unless he has the ball. If he misplaces a pass he gives a look blaming the other player. He needs to change soon or he will become just another talented player with a wasted career.

 

[Ban]

So then it is on Jose to get it working isn't it?

What I'm saying is we need Fellaini and Pogba especially back. As for him making it work maybe he can't get it worked cause of the players, especially Herrera atm.

 

[Summit]

After we were 2-0 down. Other than that we didn't create a proper chance the whole game.
If it stayed 0-0 after 1st half Rashford wouldn't score that goal. It doesn't work that way.

It amazes me the amount of people that think the game would have gone in exactly the same way had that goal not gone in, or that foul had been given. People come out with it all the time.

 

[saivet]

I probably should stay of thiis forum for a couple of days. I'm still pissed right off.

 

[Ban]

Two points I want to make. 1. Our passing is so sloppy at times. Players need to stretch to receive so many balls or they have to adjust their position away from where they want to go. This slows our play down. For example, Mata deserves criticism for losing the ball because he seemed to have misjudged the pass from Young (maybe the ball skipped on the wet surface), but Young deserves criticism for making Mata's job hard to receive a clean pass. So many of our passes are like this and good teams don't do this that often.

Secondly, I'm really disappointed in Martial. The whole yellow card situation was his doing and it wasn't necessary. He also gave the ball away so many times while being so casual. He is, more and more, becoming one of those players with immense talent but he is a terrible team player. He dribbles just because with no real intent or plan. He walks around the pitch unless he has the ball. If he misplaces a pass he gives a look blaming the other player. He needs to change soon or he will become just another talented player with a wasted career.

Martial was nervous today, too nervous with no reason and got a stupid yellow. Also sometimes he wants to do everything by himself and in those cases he usually loses the ball.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Matic was our only playmaker out there. Why didn't we buy a central midfielder in the summer?

We have absolutely no presence on the right wing. Why didn't we buy a right winger in the summer?

Our enviable depth at centre back is starting to look incredibly thin, and we're only in October.

If Matic is our playmaker, we are in trouble. Yes he can do it, I call Fabregas a playmaker or I would rather have a KDB, then you have constant chances coming and a goalscorer as well. We had Matic and basically is backup playing next to him. We have a big problem. We don't even have a source of attack out wide, as both FB's cannot cross and are the wrong side of 30. One supposedly can only play one game a week.

People saying we didn't need a CB, well yes we did, as another injury to Jones show why, but we needed to address the wide situation and another midfielder, as we should have see that coming. Mhki is not good enough and Mata is another backup. I would have even got another forward , but Zlatan should ease that.

 

[The Stain]

Yeah. I was just annoyed that he blew after 94.00 despite them making a sub. Hudds won and deserved.

Sure, there was that possible penalty for the Herrera foul and some dubious decisions like Lingard by the corner flag and as you say, that he blew the pipe at 94 exactly (was thinking myself he wouldn't give us an extra second). I'd be annoyed about these things if we actually put up a fight and would have been deserved winners but this performance was just a shambles.

 

[Ban]

It amazes me the amount of people that think the game would have gone in exactly the same way had that goal not gone in, or that foul had been given. People come out with it all the time.

Yeah Universe would have worked completely the different way.

 

[Ban]

I probably should stay of thiis forum for a couple of days. I'm still pissed right off.

I was thinking that after 2-0 and here I am.

 

[haram]

Rashford has balls. Pogba has balls.

We need Pogba back

 

[Blind]

Trying to go through the middle all the time was infuriating, we don't have the players to unlock defences like that, Lingard was one of the few putting in an effort but his touch and decision making just isn't good enough. I don't have much faith in this team winning a game when we go behind, certainly not a write off like in the van Gaal days but we're not likely to make pressure count like City or Spurs do on a regular basis.

 

[Ban]

Trying to go through the middle all the time was infuriating, we don't have the players to unlock defences like that, Lingard was one of the few putting in an effort but his touch and decision making just isn't good enough. I don't have much faith in this team winning a game when we go behind, certainly not a write off like in the van Gaal days but we're not likely to make pressure count like City or Spurs do on a regular basis.

Lingard has right ideas but he's not quality enough to pull them of.

 

[SwansonsTache]

Take Young out of that group - he gives his all and most of the time so does Mata. But it was dire today.

They might give their all but it simply isn't enough. You have a plethora of players who would give their all to play for United, doesn't mean they have the talent or quality for it though.

 

[saivet]

I was thinking that after 2-0 and here I am.

I had hope at 2-0 but don't think I have swore so much in 45mins watching that 2nd half

 

[GifLord]

@GifLord you got a video of Rashford's goal to add to the OP?

nop sorry had to go out

 

[LoneStar]

We have spent hundreds of millions on this team and who do we have to speak of ?
Lukaku - fair enough
Martial
Rashford (academy product)

This is just shocking.

 

[ThomasEmil]

This game me realise a thing.
Whenever we get behind and can't get shots in, I automatically recover my LvG attitude.

 

[iKeano]

Injuries have exposed how many passengers we have in that squad. Lingard, Young, Lindelof. Give me Periera, Fosu-Mensah and Bothwick-Jackson in there and they’d put up a better fight with passion alone.
Too many prima donnas, too many sub-standard cling-ons.
Can forget about mounting a title challenge with results like that. The amount of money spent and that’s the return - injuries or not - is inexcusable.
Huddersfield deserved it, played with heart, unlike the seemingly braindead millionaires club trotting around like they’re too good to play in the wet.