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It's a good lesson for the team going forward in this competition. One bad half and you get punished at this level.
No he shouldnt hire me , lets get that out of the way and its not on the basis of last night either.I think you forgot the spelling of me, edit the post and type M and E instead of Y, O and U. Every manager loses games but that doesn't mean they should be fired. Maybe you can tell us who to hire after firing Mourinho, maybe Woodward should hire you, can you do a better job that Mourinho?
United didnt score so the attacking was left wanting in the 1st half... so thats hardly a positive.Played well and battered them first half. Fellaini and Lukaku should both have scored, Martial unlucky with his chance and on another day Rojo's effort deflects in rather than onto the bar.
Second half we were really poor but still should have been professional enough to see out the game and get the point.
Positives - good attacking display first half
- Rojo looking good returning from injury
- Romero
- More minutes for Pogba and Ibra
Negatives - Lazy second half display
- Darmian
- Darmian
- Darmian
- Darmian
- Herrera still really struggling for form
- Darmian
Finishing was left wanting. Not the attacking. We created clear chances.United didnt score so the attacking was left wanting in the 1st half... so thats hardly a positive.
Let me remind you that he also won the league multiple times and Champions league twice so he gets a pass.May I remind the Mourinho out clowns on here that even your Sir Alex Ferguson lost to Basel in the CL?
Maybe I didn't word it the best but I'd say the attacking play was good enough but the finishing was poor.United didnt score so the attacking was left wanting in the 1st half... so thats hardly a positive.
No goals is No goalsFinishing was left wanting. Not the attacking. We created clear chances.
Mourinho has won multiple league titles and champions leagues as well...Let me remind you that he also won the league multiple times and Champions league twice so he gets a pass.
Anyway the comparison is pointless - Ferguson is retired.
You have an agenda.No goals is No goals
Let me remind you that Mourinho also won the league multiple times and the CL. Thank you.Let me remind you that he also won the league multiple times and Champions league twice so he gets a pass.
Anyway the comparison is pointless - Ferguson is retired.
Fair enough I suppose for the 1st half -Maybe I didn't word it the best but I'd say the attacking play was good enough but the finishing was poor.
Lukaku should have scored, Fellaini should have scored and Martial was unlucky. That's 3 good chances plus like I said on another day Rojo's effort is deflected in rather onto the bar. Could easily have been 2 up at half time.
Another pointless statement.Let me remind you that Mourinho also won the league and the CL. Thank you.
Do I?Mourinho has won multiple league titles and champions leagues as well...
You have an agenda.
You are pointless. Ferguson had negative games as well in his career. So?Another pointless statement.
Louis Van Gaal won a CL. Still a negative manager
The second half was woeful, I'm not trying to deny that or really find any positives in the second half because there weren't any.Fair enough I suppose for the 1st half -
2nd half - well thats a different story
Well we'll be in the next round of the Champions League so that's the target achieved. Doesn't really matter one jot how it's done, unless of course you think Madrid's CL win last season is tainted by the fact they failed to beat Warsaw in the group stage and they didn't win their group. If you think 2nd in the league is unacceptable at this stage of the season for a manager 18 months into the job, your standards probably need to be adjusted.No he shouldnt hire me , lets get that out of the way and its not on the basis of last night either.
I dont want Mourinho as manager playing for draws in every away match. Basel are shite and any club like Man United, with aspirations to win the competition, should be putting these teams to the sword. Fu*king Basel. Huddersfield are shite and we lose against them. Stoke are shite and we cant muster a decent performance. Liverpool are in defensive trouble and Jose goes there terrified and plays negative crap that you would expect from a Brentford side going to avoid a hammering. United havent been scintlating in years - its a constant grind.
His football style is shite to watch - not entertaining and he is not getting good enough results to challenge for the league. We were well beaten by Chelsea despite the narrow score line - barely beat spurs and shit the pants against Liverpool. Havent even played Arsenal or City yet - these our the main title rivals and we are terrified of them.
City are a million miles ahead of United becasue they have a good manager and they buy decent players - they didnt have it right last year so they sorted it this year - what did Jose do?? A shit CB that we didnt need - and didnt address the full back or wide positions. United have money. No excuse there.
All well and good winning a couple of 2nd rate cups but its the league and european cup than United should be looking to challenge for. 2nd in the league means feck all - especially in November.
Unless 2nd in the league is now the accpeted standard. If thats the case then woop de doo. Success.
Could have, should have, would have means feck all. United, always taking the difficult route. Sure, we can essentially rest players between Arsenal and City and still come out first but form is habitual and we need to be putting teams like Basel down.People need to relax a bit.
It was hardly a disaster. I was at the game last night and it may have looked different on TV but I never really felt like Basel were battering us or anything like that. As other posters have said we could have been 2 or even 3 up at HT. We werent. Thats the way it goes. We then get done by a late goal, of which we have been on the opposite side of the coin many times over the years.
Keeping in mind that Basel had to win to effectively stay in the competition its hardly surprising they came at us a little bit more.
But we had 74% possession in the first half and 68% overall, hit the woodwork twice and should have scored at least 2 more.
some of the reactions on here are priceless.
People keep repeating CSKA game is between Arsenal and City, we don't even need to draw ffs! We need not to lose 5-0 to secure top spot. We can even send U21 team and they will do the job.Could have, should have, would have means feck all. United, always taking the difficult route. Sure, we can essentially rest players between Arsenal and City and still come out first but form is habitual and we need to be putting teams like Basel down.
One step forward, two steps back the past month and a half.
I'm not sure I get what you mean. You're stressing that we have to take this game seriously, then you call for us to rest all our players?We have to take that game seriously and not rest our players who'll have to play 3 games in a week. Injury scare, fatigue will creep into them by the end of the week before city game which is crucial for title race.
If we loose and all 3 teams have 12 points what decides first spot? when head to head record will also be 1 each?
We went to win the game and get through, and instead lost it by playing for a point in the end.I am still fuming over this.. I just can´t get my head around this, if this game was just a formality why not give the young players the time? And if it was just getting a point why not get three and go for broke? These changes that Jose made make no sense at all and Lukaku playing the whole game while being on of the worst players on it does my head in. I am not pissed we lost but just how we did it.
Some better finishing and we would have been in complete control by half-time.The only positives for me about last night were that Rojo looks to be back to something like his best as Left-side CB and Romero once again proved he is an able deputy for De Gea.
The rest of it in terms of performance wasn't just disappointing is was uninspiring, our players strolled around in first half believing they were totally dominant, but it was not because they were good, it was because Basel were in defensive mode throughout. At half time Basel decided to have a go at us and had us on the back foot throughout second half, they deserved their goal and their victory, we needed a kick up the backside and once again no leadership on the pitch!
I think its fair to say most of us are pissed in the manner we lost and not that we lostI am still fuming over this.. I just can´t get my head around this, if this game was just a formality why not give the young players the time? And if it was just getting a point why not get three and go for broke? These changes that Jose made make no sense at all and Lukaku playing the whole game while being on of the worst players on it does my head in. I am not pissed we lost but just how we did it.
Better finishing , And need to build up better too. If martial made better off the ball attcking run inspace pogba could have put him one on one against the keeper but he keeps staying wide.Some better finishing and we would have been in complete control by half-time.
Maybe little bit more negative approch in the CL finals of 2009 and 2011 might have yielded a different out come.You are pointless. Ferguson had negative games as well in his career. So?
People like you who moan about Mourinho are quickly to forget that others lost too against lesser teams, including Ferguson who was beaten by Basel and in that year didn't qualify for the R16.
By looking at the results in the games played between United, Basel and CSKA.How did you reach that conclusion?
Yes I amAre you suggesting the shower of shite displayed yesterday didn't warrant negativity?
What do you mean?Mour,
"We didn't score in the second half probably [because of] the fact that we know one point is enough.
"Probably [when] at 75 minutes, 80 minutes we didn't score, so it is not time to try to win, it is now time to try control and in the end we lost.
If this is the logic behind the dismal performance then God help us
If we loose 4-0 Cska will have better head to head record than us, we have better head to head against basel and basel have a better head to head than cska.By looking at the results in the games played between United, Basel and CSKA.
It doesn't come to overall goal difference, it comes to goal difference in the matches played between the teams who finished level on points.If we loose 4-0 Cska will have better head to head record than us, we have better head to head against basel and basel have a better head to head than cska.
Than it comes to overall goal difference where basel needs to score 4 goals to have better tally than ours , so its not in our hands if that happens, and that's how i started this argument.
So you are saying Mourinho should win every match and should have 100% win record? SAF also won many matches by grinding out results.I dont want Mourinho as manager playing for draws in every away match. Basel are shite and any club like Man United, with aspirations to win the competition, should be putting these teams to the sword. Fu*king Basel. Huddersfield are shite and we lose against them. Stoke are shite and we cant muster a decent performance. Liverpool are in defensive trouble and Jose goes there terrified and plays negative crap that you would expect from a Brentford side going to avoid a hammering. United havent been scintlating in years - its a constant grind.
We are 2nd in the league and it's not even over yet but that is not good enough to challenge for the league? Wow. So Manchester City have already won the league? Did you forget we dominated the same Chelsea side because of Mourinho's tactics? You are ok with it if we go full offensive against the top teams and lose 4-0? It's easy to say that the manager should make his team play this way or that way but it's much more difficult in reality.His football style is shite to watch - not entertaining and he is not getting good enough results to challenge for the league. We were well beaten by Chelsea despite the narrow score line - barely beat spurs and shit the pants against Liverpool. Havent even played Arsenal or City yet - these our the main title rivals and we are terrified of them.
City are million miles ahead because of their owner who has poured millions into the team. Did Pep Guardiola win the PL in his first season i.e. last season? What did Jose do? Seriously? He signed Pogba, Ibra, Bailly, Matic, kept De Gea, won the Europa League, won the EFL, he is the first United manager to win a major trophy in his debut season. He did all this after the team was in shambles, after 2 managers who ruined the team after SAF left. Shit CB? You must be talking about Lindelof, you declared him as a shit CB after he has played just 9 matches? So all our previous CB signings were instant hits? Did you not notice the number of injuries in defense last year? Yes, United have money but not unlimited money like City. I guess you know exactly how much money the owners gave Mourinho.City are a million miles ahead of United becasue they have a good manager and they buy decent players - they didnt have it right last year so they sorted it this year - what did Jose do?? A shit CB that we didnt need - and didnt address the full back or wide positions. United have money. No excuse there.
Exactly , But if we loose 4-0 and not 7-0 than cska will have a better goal difference than us head to head of +1 ,we have better GD h2h than basel or +2 and Basel Have better h2h gd than moscow of +1. All 3 level on 12 points.It doesn't come to overall goal difference, it comes to goal difference in the matches played between the teams who finished level on points.
Ferguson's approach to CL group games was a legitimate cause for criticism and ended up getting us knocked out (by Basle, ironically) in his second from last season.Yes I am
It was a glorified training game. In fact, I actually felt that game was a typical “Utd under Ferguson game”. We clearly couldn’t have given less of a crap about it and the main objective was to get in and out without any injuries
We earned the right to do that because we won the first four Group games
Daniele Orsato