What, you don’t think the likes of Cleverley and his Spanish style would kill it in a Guardiola system?Imagine him trying to play tiki taka with the complete shite of a midfield that was left after Fergie
Pep Guardiola: I don't remember SAF's Man United job offer, my English was not good
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While I’m very glad we have Jose and not Pep, Moyes really still does stick in my throat.
The damage he did to the club in such a short time is nothing short of catastrophic. The more time passes, the clearer this becomes.
I do think though our transfer policy would have been a lot more methodical in that he buys players that can play specific type of football. We ended up buying players who were available and big names i.e. Di Maria & Falcao. Though I was excited about both I have to admit. Falcao at a time when he was injured and we had RVP made no sense looking back now.Imagine him trying to play tiki taka with the complete shite of a midfield that was left after Fergie
That would be my best guess as well. SAF isn't shy, and if he really wanted Pep he'd have made himself understood, language barrier or no language barrier.
Sir Alex sold Stam and admitted to the mistake. Everyone makes them. Even geniuses.
I love Sir Alex, and find people comparing and equating Pep and Jose to him amusing (he was a on a different level), but I think this was the case. Sir Alex chose Moyes. He messed up on picking his succesor. All the murmors after Moyes failed just sound like excuses.
Tbh this was no way to run a corporation where such major decisions are left to one person. Will never happen again.. the corporate types at the helm will make sure of that.
If either Jose or Pep has taken over post SAF we would have won two PL titles by now with the same level of investment.
We went backwards under Moyes and LvG whilst at least having some clearer ideas about how his side should play was very scattergun in the transfer market
We went backwards under Moyes and LvG whilst at least having some clearer ideas about how his side should play was very scattergun in the transfer market
Mourinho is twice the manager Guardiola will ever be
Should have took a spanish translator to that meeting. Missed the boat big time
Bit weird. So either Sir Alex never offered him the job and now says he did to try and save face for appointing Moyes, or he did and Guardiola didn't understand him?
I do think he's less of a twat than Jose, but his teams are just as twattish as any Jose side, and he's definitely more weird. A lot of the time though he'll say something that gets misconveyed as twattishness because he just seems to blurt things out.
I do think he's less of a twat than Jose, but his teams are just as twattish as any Jose side, and he's definitely more weird. A lot of the time though he'll say something that gets misconveyed as twattishness because he just seems to blurt things out.
Isn't that an old story?
Wasn't that his 'puto jefe' rant in the press? He said Mourinho is the puto jefe when it comes to the media and mind-games. I don't see why Pep would mean anything else than that when he has dominated his Madrid side for most of his reign as Barcelona head coach.
Since the utter debacle of Moyes, there has been some serious arse covering, but I absolutely am convinced that Moyes WAS number one choice, infact the ONLY choice.
You only have to read some of the comments made by the Glazers, David Gill and Bobby Charlton at the time of his disastrous appointment.
"The search for a new manager has been very short. Alex was very clear with his recommendation and we are delighted that David has agreed to accept the job." Joel Glazer.
It sounds to me as though this is Guardiola's polite way of saying, there was no such job offer from United.
But instead of calling it out as total codswallop, he says he can't remember, and that his English wasn't very good.
If we had truly wanted Guardiola to replace SAF, don't you think a little bit more effort would have been made than a cryptic wink over dinner...?
Yes but it wasn't just about the football
It was a war and Mourinho mentally won the war against Guardiola and Barcelona
Could you please elaborate? I believe that Barca won more trophies than Madrid and had the edge over Madrid in head to head clashes during their reign.
What war is there to win outside of football? How can you win a 'mental war' if your team goes on to lose on the pitch?
I think you really misunderstood what he was saying. He was saying he wasn't going to try to compete with Mourinho in mind games, that's his thing. He was, however, going to compete on the field and thoroughly dominated with his team against Mourinho. If anything, it was about everything but the football.
He never said it publicly
I read an article from guillem balligue that Guardiola admitted to close friends Mourinho beat him and in the end won their war between them
I think it was the fact Mourinho made it into a war and more than just football is what took a big toll on Guardiola and made him go down a road he didn't want to go down
Guardiola is all about football and not politics and mind games he is a purist so getting dragged into a mental war is why I think he considers he lost out to Mourinho in the end
If we got Pep instead of Moyes that summer, within 1 year, then we could have most probably ended up with a midfield of Thiago and KroosImagine him trying to play tiki taka with the complete shite of a midfield that was left after Fergie
Okay, so basically just a rumor with no real substance behind it. It just doesn't make much sense, Guardiola clearly got the better of Mourinho in their time in Spain, with probably the best spell for a first-time manager ever, so why would you believe that rumor? Balague can be full of it sometimes, although I wouldn't be surprised it took a toll on him. Guardiola seems a bit unstable and constantly on edge, it must be exhausting, and dealing with Mourinho's mind game doesn't help if he's struggling but he's hardly struggled with Mourinho whether it's in Spain or now in England.
He turned the games into a hatred that had never been seen before
It's quite obvious why he thinks Mourinho won the war between them
Like I keep saying it wasn't about the results that made Guardiola think that
So is "Organic Potatoes" as a nickname!
Perhaps he couldn’t understand why he was offered half of the salary the bitters offered him.
The press love Pep, so he can spout all his crap & they lap it up. He was looking a bit of a clown last season, but now is his time to shine. Or shite, whichever.
How did you come to that idea?
Would have loved Pep at Utd. His brand of football is what you would pay to watch.He has a style of play and sticks to it, home or away.
I think Ferguson mentioned, Pep didn’t understand, Ferguson got offended and didn’t further it since he figured he wasn’t into it.
In other words, we got Moyes because of a mistake of communication and some ego.
Sounds like a Twilight Zone episode to me
In other words, we got Moyes because of a mistake of communication and some ego.
Sounds like a Twilight Zone episode to me
A fully functioning Mourinho side will dominate the PL for a decade at a club like United - we've always shown we're willing to stick by our mangers if they're worth it.
Guardiola's here for one more season. He'll win one or two titles and maybe a CL. After that, City will take on a second tier manager (only Pep and Jose are tier 1 at the moment).
Picking Mourinho over Guardiola will result in more success by 2027, imo. It's difficult to accept right now, but I'd rather have a top class manager who's enamoured with the club.
Pep's got his team following his orders much quicker, but that's because he and Pellegrini shared a lot in common. By contrast, LvG and Mourinho couldn't be any more different. I accept that Moyes was a bad choice in terms of his overall ability, but in terms of style, he wasn't the worst option because he only needed to keep SAF's momentum going (which he failed at, tbf). By taking on LvG after Moyes, we fecked up the continuity and set back Mourinho's eventual revolution.
Guardiola's here for one more season. He'll win one or two titles and maybe a CL. After that, City will take on a second tier manager (only Pep and Jose are tier 1 at the moment).
Picking Mourinho over Guardiola will result in more success by 2027, imo. It's difficult to accept right now, but I'd rather have a top class manager who's enamoured with the club.
Pep's got his team following his orders much quicker, but that's because he and Pellegrini shared a lot in common. By contrast, LvG and Mourinho couldn't be any more different. I accept that Moyes was a bad choice in terms of his overall ability, but in terms of style, he wasn't the worst option because he only needed to keep SAF's momentum going (which he failed at, tbf). By taking on LvG after Moyes, we fecked up the continuity and set back Mourinho's eventual revolution.
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They won one La Liga each during that period when they both were there, right? Fair enough Guardiola won the CL in Mourinho's first season.
I cannot agree more that Moyes was his first choice. Pep is a guy who would find a club that he would build or revamp
Pep poached by arabs whilst at Barca. Accepts offer he couldn’t refuse.
Suddenly develops stress to avoid breach of contract. Takes gardening leave in NYC whilst arabs lay out the ground work with no expense spared.
Fergie attempts to recruit him in NYC. Too late. Project already underway, recruitment has begun, and Pep claims he didn’t understand his accent whilst hist bank balance goes nuclear.
Always been a fan of the berts and will stay there forever. Who could blame him?
The mark of the man.
Suddenly develops stress to avoid breach of contract. Takes gardening leave in NYC whilst arabs lay out the ground work with no expense spared.
Fergie attempts to recruit him in NYC. Too late. Project already underway, recruitment has begun, and Pep claims he didn’t understand his accent whilst hist bank balance goes nuclear.
Always been a fan of the berts and will stay there forever. Who could blame him?
The mark of the man.
Honestly I think both Pep and Mou aren't long term trainers. What makes you think Mourinho will build you more success for the future? It's definitely not his track record, since he's never stayed for more than a few (3?) seasons at any of his clubs. Same with Pep, even though he's successful where he goes, he leaves after a few years, either needing a sabbatical (being an insane person is tiring I guess) or a change of scenery.
That being said, I don't think having the same manager for twenty years is a prerequisite for success, look at Bayern, Barcelona and Real, they switch managers quite often and seem to do well. The staff behind the manager DoF, TD and what not should be stable, the guy shouting at the lads from the sidelines can switch up every few years just fine. The lads themselves change all the time too, so why can't the trainer?
A lot of booze helps.
Whilst I agree with that point - those clubs are seemingly run very differently to us. Their transitions are much more seamless as they have a plan. They recruit specific types of players and managers to match their systems. It's why a DOF or someone in that regard is so important in today's game - it's something I think we are lacking.
Like you yourself said, I don't see either Jose or Pep staying long, they'll both win some shit then move on. If we are to go off evidence though, I don't think the club will make the right sort of recruitment. Their decisions seem to be short-sighted evident by the Moyes, to Lvg, to Jose progression.
The way I see it is we either have a manager who stays for a long time and overlooks the whole footballing aspect of the club ala SAF or we adopt a much more modern scheme and bring in a DOF or something of the sort, which will give us an identity and allow us to recruit managers and players who suit that specific style.
Lol. It sure does. Bet hes well hung over now
Can't stand Pep, never have been able to. The guys got a screw loose.
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying he's a bad manager, his teams play some fantastic football but as a personality I can't bear the man.
I've always like Mourinho, even at Chelsea when he was taking titles from us. I don't know, I think I like the win at all costs style.
But Pep, no. Even if he'd become our manager and we had played that football I would never have warmed to him.
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying he's a bad manager, his teams play some fantastic football but as a personality I can't bear the man.
I've always like Mourinho, even at Chelsea when he was taking titles from us. I don't know, I think I like the win at all costs style.
But Pep, no. Even if he'd become our manager and we had played that football I would never have warmed to him.
You are forgetting (or ignoring) the battle Pep was fighting with the Barca board. His allies had gone (Laporte, Soriano, Txiki) and the new regime were marginalising him. That was as a great a factor as Jose and Real's achievements in Pep's decision to get the hell out of Dodge.