With Jose you know what you get. His track record, CV and success in different leagues speaks for itself.
We took Arsenal apart in that semi just like we did every time we played them, and we were never a possession side under Fergie, so I don't see what that has to do with it, counter attack was always a huge part of how we played under him.
Relax mate. Nothing personal. It's just debate style. Like i said i respect your opinion but disagree with it. Nothing is unanimous in football and ofc fans have the right to disagree. None of the reasons you have presented for sacking Mourinho at this stage have convinced me but tbf you feel the same about my reasoning about keeping him (if he wants) till the end of the contract. No point in proceding since our opinions are clear. No hard feelings mate.
I never said there was any certainities, but the certainty under Jose is we will continue being a results driven chore to watch, funding his ever negative mindest will only dig us in deeper to his ugly methods, the other guys are a risk but the alternative is to become Jose's United which I'd rather not see happen.
I'm relaxed I just didn't get where your passion was coming from on this is all mate, you are one of my favourite posters on here so I was kind of taken aback that we were suddenly getting all aggro on this. I have never said any of the managers I suggested would be certaintiies, I just answered your question and I picked managers that I feel would change the mentality at the club after the mire LvG and Jose have put us in with how they approach the game.
Yeah, Jose is our best bet. His achievements so far has been brilliant. Two trophies, and transforming us into a title challenging squad (that is, if not those arsebandits across the road had decided to win a few games five minutes into injury time. Still hoping he'll stay and build a team in his own making.We are not some casino to gamble on random managers who have won the dubious flavor of the month honor on twitter. Each time we fail, we are set back by a large margin from our rivals like City who are going from strength to strength. This is not the time to "roll the dice" and appoint the likes of Pochettino, Sarri, Tuchel, Jardim etc so that we can "attack attack attack" and "watch the young 'uns play" while we finish 6th.
This is the time to ensure we support a proven manager who is rebuilding the squad with clearly superior signings to what we have been buying over the past 3 years. The amount of grumbling a loss to Bristol City set off, sheesh. I dread to think what this place will be like if we draw to Leicester or something this weekend, perish the thought.
It comes from dealing with fellow Sporting fans on our forum when there's talk about managerial chances (which is practically every year
). I used to admire the patience english fans used to have with their managers but they are fast approaching (if not reached) continental levels of knee jerking. I still like you mate no worries. I just strongly disagree with you on this one.Wish people would stop acting like he beat Barca with Burnley. That Inter team was an amazing team with some really, really good players. Didn’t Eto finish 3rd in the Balon Dor that season.
I'm really not sure what this post is about.
I don't believe that even the attractive football is given under the other managers mentioned already. We will be on the manager merry-go-round pretty quickly. With LvG who is an attacking manager we played even more dire football than under Mourinho.
True but it was a great achievement nevertheless. It was the first European major competition win for Inter since Helenio Herrera's days. Italy haven't won a CL since his Inter succesful campaign. It was clearly a great achievement.
I was all for getting a settled manager in but I just think our choices have been wide of the mark on each occassion since we lost the great man, and I'm reluctant to see us dig in on the wrong fit for the club just for the sake of seeming patient.It comes from dealing with fellow Sporting fans on our forum when there's talk about managerial chances (which is practically every year
It was just a joke based on the threadmarked post you quoted.
It was an achievement but nothing was particularly great about it. He had world class players on every lines, Deschamps reaching the final or Mourinho himself winning it with Porto was a great achievement.
LvG considers himself an attacking manager but his system was way too rigid to employ any kind of flair or inventiveness, on the other side Jose has no attacking system, he just sorts the defensive structure and relies on individuals to make something happen. The other managers being talked about employ attacking schemes with fluid front lines and high starting fullbacks, they'd definitely produce more attacking football to enjoy, whether they could marry that to results is a different matter, we aren't failing to produce good football because of the players IMO, it's how they are set up that results in our disjointed and tumescent displays.
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In your opinion not mine. It's not like Inter didn't have other very good teams but only him and Herrera won the CL. Allegri has world class players on every lines and how many CL does he have with Juventus? 0.
I take it you haven't seen our football under Moyes or LvG? For one the way we're playing now even in attack is much much better than what I've witnessed couple of years ago.
We didn't go all out attack them. We're not possession based team, but we didn't defend with that many body and defend deep as it was in latter years. And we would go toe to toe with Arsenal in old days in chance creation and numbers of shots, not just waiting for counter attack. The shift in style is clear as day & night. I find it's unbelievable to see somebody can look at us over the year under SAF and say we play the same style.
) teams play was edited? Not all team do the same. The hoof ball routine is more done when Pogba is out. Again it's more down to personnel at disposal. A purist like Pep would the team play the same way regardless oppositions and result.What your point exactly? If anything it speaks volume of how to have much inferior to win the league as even team with more world class player ain't guaranteed to win/ progress as far.
Are you suggesting never looking at your opposition for strengths and weaknesses is the way to go....? Pep has lost matches also you know. He's having a brilliant spell and fair play but in life nothing lasts....We didn't go all out attack them. We're not possession based team, but we didn't defend with that many body and defend deep as it was in latter years. And we would go toe to toe with Arsenal in old days in chance creation and numbers of shots, not just waiting for counter attack. The shift in style is clear as day & night. I find it's unbelievable to see somebody can look at us over the year under SAF and say we play the same style.
If Jose is all about hoofing it and doesn't intend to counter, then over the years, everyone was sleeping and all the footage of how his (illuminati?
I don't think we can play like Monaco last year straight away with our current roster either. Whoever comes in charge has to adjust and won't be pretty as we expect.
I was replying to @JPRouve. I don't understand your post.
Oh, I definitely agree. I will never expect that. I don't expect swashbuckling football from José either. He just isn't an attack minded coach. Football can still be defensive and somewhat entertaining from a tactical pov. We just look all over the place every now and then which is what worries me after 18 months. We are making progress but it feels somewhat slow and non-directional. As José says, we are better than 18 other teams, 18 other teams we've outspent yet little like a team without an identity.
Honestly, to me you are insulting Mourinho and his players when you consider that it was a particularly great achievement. Mourinho did far better in his career than that CL, he had a great roster and he is a great manager. It wasn't a better achievement than any other CL winners at the exception of himself with Porto.
I think the worst answer anyone could give to this question is "the current manager at the time", and that's the situation we're in now. So, the other choice is a pretty decent alternative.
If funding Jose sees us bring more players like Pogba, Zlatan and Bailly to the club then I'm all for it.
Do you read? The point being discussed is regarding being purist who doesn't give a shite about result as long as they can impose the style in game. It can be both good and bad just as adapting to opposition.
I agree. Which my approach is trying to go the way with Mourinho to at least having us a strong mentality (which we're not there). Style can come later in this instance IMO.
Christ, i better stay away from this thread. My reasoning is pretty clear. If you look at Inter's CL/European cup performances in historic terms, they are far from an impressive club. They weren't favourites in that year, which was normal since Inter is never amongst the favourites to win, specially if you compare with european top clubs royalty. That's why i considered it a great achievement. It was like a one and done for Inter, never came close to replicating that type of performance/achievement. Even Porto was closer to winning the Cl again rather than Inter.Arsenal shifted their style from the previous team in those latter years, they have a lot of posession at home, we set out to pick them off and did so comfortably, it wasn't a change in style like you are suggesting, we still played fast, attacking football, we just did it more from a counter position due to how technical that Arsenal side was.We didn't go all out attack them. We're not possession based team, but we didn't defend with that many body and defend deep as it was in latter years. And we would go toe to toe with Arsenal in old days in chance creation and numbers of shots, not just waiting for counter attack. The shift in style is clear as day & night. I find it's unbelievable to see somebody can look at us over the year under SAF and say we play the same style.
If Jose is all about hoofing it and doesn't intend to counter, then over the years, everyone was sleeping and all the footage of how his (illuminati?
Exactly. We are spoilt and entitled.
I disagree, Jose isn't marrying anything, he's just getting the results by hook or crook, the other managers are attack based, they'd free up Martial and Rashford for starters and likely shift Mata's duties as well, not to mention utilize our fullbacks in a more proactive manner.
It was a great achievement, especially considering the players he had in every position because he actually made them look like a world class. But, in reality, it had everything with the quality of the system/team and much less with the quality of individuals. Maicon, Milito, castaways like Cambiasso and Eto'o. Players like Pandev, Motta, Muntari, Julio Cesar, Chivu and 37-year old Zanetti were not world-class or among the best you had in their positions at that time, as it was proved when he left them. If you go player by player comparison, especially first 11, you could make case for his Porto side being stronger on paper.
Agreed. But we haven't had our best midfield out playing all too often Mou usually stacks his teams with quality and I'm just not sure we are there yet. Fergie stacked his team with some strange ones and got results and I found myself thinking I wish we had world class midfielders.....its an odd one!
