Says the City "fan" who the other day claimed he wasn't going to another game this season meaning you're one of those contributing to it. Nice try namco
The 'Manchester Is Blue' Thread
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Says the City "fan" who the other day claimed he wasn't going to another game this season meaning you're one of those contributing to it. Nice try namco
US? I could never ever imagine a blue posting anything like that.
Leicester's ground holds nearly 23,000 less than ours - it's easier to sell out a 32,000-seater stadium than it is to sell out a 55,000-seater stadium. What's amazing is that, despite expanding the stadium a couple of years back, anyone thinks City still can't ever fill the ground based on a game played on a Tuesday night after New Year's Day which was always going to have it's fair share of season ticket no shows (have a look at the 3 other games played last night and see how many empties there were at those as well, especially West Ham yet they still announced a capacity crowd), particularly in the family stand which is always the biggest problem when this topic comes up. Obviously City aren't arsed about that because they persist in having the family stand covering the whole of one end. There was only one block in the whole stadium showing online yesterday where you could buy 2 seats together. All the other blocks were showing single seats dotted about. Obviously, there were loads more than that in reality but there's nothing the club can do if a ST holder gives the game a miss and then doesn't pass their ticket onto someone else or stick it back up for re-sale via the club's online ticket exchange. Believe me, I've got my own opinions on those who pick and choose their games and who could make more of an effort but it's probably easy for me to criticise when I live within walking distance of the stadium.
It might not seem it to some people but City's match-going fanbase has increased considerably since the takeover and continues to do so. Our League Cup game against Wolves a couple of months back was our second highest home crowd in the competition's history and as for "can't fill the ground", well Saturday's FA Cup 3rd round tie against Burnley has sold out so there will be over 54,000 there. 7 or 8 years ago we wouldn't have got more than 35,000-40,000 for that game even with favourable ticket prices.
Incidentally, I re-located my season ticket to the front row of our block at the start of the season when one came available because it's £225 cheaper than the £665 I would've paid if I'd stayed in my usual seat further up the block. You'll be pleased to know that as I prefer to stand with my mates, that seat on the front row has been empty for every game this season
Fair enough if it really has increased dramatically. What were you pulling in at Maine Road?
For what it's worth re the Leicester vs City argument is that the population of Leicester is 1/8 that of Manchester. You would think you'd see a massive bump in plastic supporters, surely?
Ahh my bad. “Keep dominating that they do now” threw me off. Didn’t understand the “that they do now” part. Apologies.
Speaking to a city fan he seemed to believe at the time of the whole takeover idea, that united being their neighbours would help get them noticed more, from a global perspective.
Theres a waiting list for season cards. And believe it or not there was when we moved from Maine road too. As has been said what can you do if season card holders just don't fancy coming for certain matches.
Maine Road's capacity was around 34,000 by the time we moved and it was pretty much full every week at that point
Yeah, appreciate Leicester is smaller but they're a one-club city. Their biggest rivals geographically are Derby and Forest. We have a considerably larger club on our doorstep to compete with
There's definitely been an increase in support as I said, and that includes tourists/JCLs/plastics. Also, lots more kids growing up in the city are choosing City these days compared to when we were shite and you were winning everything. Back then, few kids would choose City over United unless peer pressure had a say.Maine Road's capacity was around 34,000 by the time we moved and it was pretty much full every week at that point
Yeah, appreciate Leicester is smaller but they're a one-club city. Their biggest rivals geographically are Derby and Forest. We have a considerably larger club on our doorstep to compete with
It often seems that half your fan base would have us believe Manchester is a one-club city, too
Us, as in we, City. If i was a rival fan i would say it's embarrassing for City. Don't actually see what the confusion was about here. Are you another troll that's followed me over from BlueMoon. I was used to having to dumb my posts down over there as you work with the audience. Didn't think i'd have to do it on here though.
This is a minimum. When your appeal goes from almost zero to anything, it represents exponential growth...
It often seems that half your fan base would have us believe Manchester is a one-club city, too
Can't say I've ever, ahem, come out with that one - honest!
I don't know about Manchester being "Blue", but lately, Redcafe seems more like Bluecafe than its name implies.
Makes sense.
The one thing that will never change is that city fans DON'T MATTER! They have nothing to do with the clubs success, they have oodles of pitches and an impressive academy that produces feck all, They have money given to them beyond what they need, they have a manager who buys well, that doesn't make him a genius does it?
They, along with PSG have taken the game away from the people ( with maybe a little help from Chelsea)
It's a circus of underperforming millionaires that don't give a feck about where they are, or who they play for.
United make a lot of money from sponsors, but only because we have a massive fan base.... yes FAN base!
But even we have lost our fans trying to stay in the hunt.
I reckon blue is the most appropriate colour for city, chelsea and psg ( psg do have blue in their shirt don't they?)
When I look what's happened to our beloved game, due to these soulless rich oil people who would be much better spending money on their own abused masses....... I feel blue too!
If city do get more glory hunters through the turnstiles, we should lament their lost, bought, souls.
They, along with PSG have taken the game away from the people ( with maybe a little help from Chelsea)
It's a circus of underperforming millionaires that don't give a feck about where they are, or who they play for.
United make a lot of money from sponsors, but only because we have a massive fan base.... yes FAN base!
But even we have lost our fans trying to stay in the hunt.
I reckon blue is the most appropriate colour for city, chelsea and psg ( psg do have blue in their shirt don't they?)
When I look what's happened to our beloved game, due to these soulless rich oil people who would be much better spending money on their own abused masses....... I feel blue too!
If city do get more glory hunters through the turnstiles, we should lament their lost, bought, souls.
That's a fair point; but why you do you think the issue seems to be almost exclusive to City out of the 'Top 6' teams. Liverpool, United, Spurs and Chelsea don't seem to have problems with season ticket holders not turning up/not passing on tickets if they can't make it? Genuine question not trying to come across as arsey.Leicester's ground holds nearly 23,000 less than ours - it's easier to sell out a 32,000-seater stadium than it is to sell out a 55,000-seater stadium. What's amazing is that, despite expanding the stadium a couple of years back, anyone thinks City still can't ever fill the ground based on a game played on a Tuesday night after New Year's Day which was always going to have it's fair share of season ticket no shows (have a look at the 3 other games played last night and see how many empties there were at those as well, especially West Ham yet they still announced a capacity crowd), particularly in the family stand which is always the biggest problem when this topic comes up. Obviously City aren't arsed about that because they persist in having the family stand covering the whole of one end. There was only one block in the whole stadium showing online yesterday where you could buy 2 seats together. All the other blocks were showing single seats dotted about. Obviously, there were loads more than that in reality but there's nothing the club can do if a ST holder gives the game a miss and then doesn't pass their ticket onto someone else or stick it back up for re-sale via the club's online ticket exchange. Believe me, I've got my own opinions on those who pick and choose their games and who could make more of an effort but it's probably easy for me to criticise when I live within walking distance of the stadium.
It might not seem it to some people but City's match-going fanbase has increased considerably since the takeover and continues to do so. Our League Cup game against Wolves a couple of months back was our second highest home crowd in the competition's history and as for "can't fill the ground", well Saturday's FA Cup 3rd round tie against Burnley has sold out so there will be over 54,000 there. 7 or 8 years ago we wouldn't have got more than 35,000-40,000 for that game even with favourable ticket prices.
Incidentally, I re-located my season ticket to the front row of our block at the start of the season when one came available because it's £225 cheaper than the £665 I would've paid if I'd stayed in my usual seat further up the block. You'll be pleased to know that as I prefer to stand with my mates, that seat on the front row has been empty for every game this season
I'd say Arsenal are definitely on a par with City if you look at the empties at some of their games and it's not a recent thing with them that coincides with a drop off in form on the pitch over the last 12-18 months as one of their fans wrote a blog about it a few years back - http://aisforarsenal.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/arsenals-actual-average-attendance-last.html. Spurs (at WHL), Chelsea, and Liverpool (prior to their recent stadium expansion) are/were all playing in smaller capacity stadia than City (WHL was 11,000+ less than our pre-expansion capacity and 17,000+ less post expansion) so with smaller capacities come less no shows. It does happen at United too for certain fixtures but with a far bigger support base than City, unused tickets are more likely to be snapped up. However, the odd fixture might still struggle to attract enough fans to fill all the empties - I work in Trafford Park and the other week was offered 3 free tickets for your game against Bournemouth a few days after the derby by a United fan after he parked up near where I work that night. By far the biggest problem area at City is the family stand - located at the end behind the goal we were attacking in the second half last night - and you rarely see too many empties behind the other goal (where my seat is). It's simply too big for it's purpose (the family stand at most other clubs is confined to a block or two rather than a whole end) but the club insisted on going ahead with sticking the family stand there about 7 or 8 seasons ago, turfing out a load of long-standing season ticket holders at little notice.
Generally speaking, regardless of whether season ticket seats get used or not, across the league I think there's a degree of apathy which has crept into the mindset of your average match-going supporter in recent years. While the diehards will always try to attend no matter what (or at worst, try their best to make sure someone else uses their ticket if they can't go), some fans simply can't be arsed going to that kind of trouble for every game. For me, that apathy has been helped by an ever-increasing number of games being live on Sky or BT with every game in the Premier League available on a live stream somewhere.
Just to add that a bigger issue for me is the amount of early leavers at some games. I could kind of understand it last night as the weather was shite and the points were pretty much secured but seeing fans streaming out when we were 4-0 up against Liverpool, for example, was rather odd. I'm not going to judge every early leaver as some will have genuine reasons but no chance that applies to everybody.
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That, and the fact that City had just been gifted the use of a brand-new, modern stadium from Manchester City Council, which made them an even more attractive proposition. I have no doubt that the Arabs wouldn't have looked twice at City had they been still stationed at Maine Road. The area around Eastlands and opportunities there were always the Arabs' attraction, not Manchester City Football Club itself.
Taken the game away from the people? Wait is United owned by a socialist commune? Is thats why it's red?
Afcourse the fans do matter to the owners as they are investing with the objective of having more fans and thus revenue to sustain their investments. Not sure why i explain it to you, i'm sure you understand how this can be sound business if they pull it off which they seem to be doing quite well. You can lament it as much as you want but ... business waits for noone, city is not going to stop it's rise to the top for lamentations like this. And i bet League 1 is filled with cry me a river types playing that sad violin with hardly one listening or caring at all. Whatever the lamentations, city will need to be beaten on the field, and i bet the day United can do that and be ahead is the day they hardly care about lamentations of this nature.
So city are making money for their owners? wow, what's the weather like in your world.
scum at the United derby
Wow city play the best football in the league; even their time wasting is the best.
All jokes aside I don't get why they did the stadium expansion. Clearly absolutely no demand for it, nothing more than an attempt to wave their willy. That and when they added stars to their badge around same time UEFA were doing it to show past Champions League winners. It's the Donald Trump of football clubs.
I would think they did the Stadium expansion with an eye for the future, expecting that with more money being poured in and more results being achieved that the fanbase and attendency would grow. I do think however that watching matches in stadiums is something that is going to decline in favor for watching matches by stream and using internet to stay connected with other fans.
How can there be “absolutely no demand for it” when, for example, Saturday’s FA Cup game against Burnley, is a 54,000+ sell out? Not to mention most league games are pretty much sell outs regardless of no shows, most of the expanded bit is taken up by season ticket holders, and also plenty of teams don’t even take up the full away allocation meaning City fans often snap those returned tickets up in the “away” part of the expansion as well
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Maybe because we had a huge waiting list for seasoncards. And after the South stand extension was built, we still have a waiting list. As has been said several times what can you do if seasoncard holders pick and choose games.
Kyle Wa*ker.
Totally agree. Liverpool would have at least ONE PL title without them !
That first throw was waist high ! He could easily have caught it.
With City the real issue is that most people see their success for what it is - a lottery win. At least Chelsea were a champions league club with a track record of Cup success and the glamour of London behind them. City just reek of jammy inauthenticity, and people aren't buying it.
That said, a few more years like this and the fanbase will really start to grow. United and Liverpool made their name in the 50s and 60s, so City have a lot of catching up to do but there's no doubt the current success will have a major effect.
That said, a few more years like this and the fanbase will really start to grow. United and Liverpool made their name in the 50s and 60s, so City have a lot of catching up to do but there's no doubt the current success will have a major effect.
I think when they win it people will congratulate Pep and not City. Like their last title win, no one actually cared.
I guess this is because they aren't taken seriously in England.
Sorry but do the City fans choose fewer games then? Because you don't see stadiums half empty as often as Etihad. The other top clubs manage to fill their stadiums regularily.
12000 tickets unsold last night and their ticket office was ringing local schools offering free blocks of 100 tickets. A cup semi.
The crowd last night was 43k, 12k below capacity. Last season's semi-final at Old Trafford had 10k empty seats. In this year's quarter finals Arsenal had 44k v West Ham, in the previous round Spurs had 36k v West Ham. When Everton were in the semis two seasons ago they had 34k at Goodison.
City easily sold out on Saturday v Burnley in a 3rd round FA Cup tie.
Maybe the competition isn't so attractive and leads to fans choosing games? Either way the factual evidence shows Man Utd, Spurs, Arsenal and Everton all having the same problem as City.
Unfortunately, yes. I already see kids at my school wearing City shirts. I've never seen anyone in Denmark wearing one until a few years ago.
Look, I only go by what I see on the television screen, and you don't see a stadium half empty as often as the Etihad. Now I do agree that the Carabao cup isn't very attractive and that explain the low attendance in those kind of games.
Really? Wow. How embarrassing.