Moshiri also claims a bearded man appeared to him in a vision and took a massive shit in the centre circle at Goodison Park... which he took as a sign that he should sign Wayne Rooney.
Everton's major shareholder: Lukaku left Everton after a "voodoo message" told him to join Chelsea
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Lukaku? Devoted Christian.
Maybe because I am not from the West, I don't equate many things with racism.
Once again this, it comes across as the kind of comment made in boardrooms with no blacks present where there is a nudge nudge wink wink culture.
I find it hard to believe that people aren't seeing the racism in those comments. It reads like a poorly thought out tone deaf attempt at humor.
Devoted Christian, Roman Catholic. But yeah his beard is very...Muslim so to speak.
How is it obviously not true?
It would be at least equally bizarre to assume an intelligent businessman has, without any reason whatsoever, randomly fabricated comments about Voodoo.
In terms of legal action... It's completely irrelevant to the truth (see Trump's book). If Lukaku had in fact made the alleged representations; his advisers would still threaten legal action as they'd want to distance him from comments that would be damaging to his reputation.
People will still go down the ridiculous route of trying to imply a racist connotation though.
So you honestly think Lukaku - an openly devout Christian - didn't go to Chelsea because of Voodoo?
Really? You think that's honestly just as likely as a the owner of the club that sold him being a bit bitter about it and so saying something in incredibly poor taste that could quite easily be seen as racist?
Agreed that it is a bizarre comment when Lukaku has clearly denied it. But nonetheless, it is rather strange that Moshiri purposely chose to lie, and out of all the racial stereotypes to pull out regarding Africans or black people --- voodoo, seriously? That would probably be the last on the list of things that come to mind.
I am not saying Moshiri is or is not racist until he clarifies his stance or this builds up steam via Lukaku pursuing the legal route. It is really peculiar because he had no motive. If he wanted to insult Lukaku, there were other ways.
Moshiri is a knob and his comments are nothing but sour grapes. Would expect nothing less from the shitehawk that appointed Koeman. Glad Rom is taking legal action.
A lot of what was said depends on where it was said. This wasn't a comment made at a public/press meeting it was comment made at a shareholders meeting which Moshiri may have stupidly not expected to be made public or find its way back to the press.
Didn't Jesus have a beard?
And all images of God?
What could be more Christian than a beard?
Poor old Rom, grows a beard to look like Jesus - 'hey mate, are you a Muslim?'
Right. I hadn't thought of that. As an aside, I'm not a Man Utd fan.
...Did you just call God a hipster?
Not sure what's worse - the throwaway casual racist tone of the comment, or the people that are seriously trying to defend it on some technicality 
And on the 7th day, God invented 'Nu Rave', went down to Hoxton and proclaimed, 'Peace and fecking, Believe!'.
Why would him being a devout Christian have any bearing on comments about Voodoo? I'm not sure what you mean in terms of "didn't go to Chelsea because of Voodoo". The article states that he didn't re-sign with Everton because of this, not that he didn't sign for Chelsea.
All I can say is that Lukaku spent months and months negotiating with Everton, was 99.9% done in terms of resigning for them, and at the point of resigning he completely and utterly changed his mind. The reason for this was obviously to progress his career, but at that point I have no idea what reason Lukaku gave. After protracted negotiations though whereby I imagine the salary on offer would have been the key talking point, with his agent knowing Chelsea's offer and informing Everton of this offer, probably trying to play them off against each other and believing that Everton didn't have the financial means of matching/beating Chelsea's final offer; it would be very embarrassing to admit they were merely using Everton to drive up his wage offer from another club. At this stage it would also be past the point of "I've only just decided it would be better for my career to move". I can certainly imagine at that point a totally BS excuse being given to Everton as to why he suddenly couldn't re-sign and had to move clubs.
In terms of the owner being bitter... Again I've no idea how that would manifest in completely fabricated comments about Voodoo. I could imagine the owner's bitterness causing him to blame their performances this season on Lukaku, saying the decision for him not to sign caused their Summer signings to be rushed. Likewise I could imagine him fabricating that they didn't want to sell even at £75m but Lukaku threatened to go on strike which forced their hand. Both these would make the owner look better at the expense of the player.
Comments on Voodoo though? Fabricating this would literally serve no purpose in terms of making the owner look better. The fact that people are now implying a racial element makes this even more unlikely. A billionaire businessman randomly and without any gain decides to fabricates a quasi-racist exchange in order to... Achieve nothing... At the expense of his potential reputation. What you're selling I ain't buying.
But this happens all the time in football... how many players have you heard of that have said voodoo is the reason they moved?
If the Liverpool Chariman comes out and says Coutinho said this, would you believe that to be true too?
feck knows why he said it... cheap attempt at humour? maybe he just wanted to be offensive? Or maybe he was taking a dig at Lukaku and didn't think it would come back to bite him... however, the idea that any of these options is more likely then a Professional Athlete claiming Voodoo has guided his judgement on moving from Everton to a bigger club.
In effect you're saying you'd rather believe that Romelu Lukaku, a devout, well-educated, Roman Catholic, born and raised in Western Europe who spent his late teens posting religious pilgrimages on Instagram is more likely to have made the biggest decision of his career based on the advice of some unnamed witch doctor than accept that a dodgy, 60 year old accountant might be a little ignorant and bitter? Okay.
Yeah, I agree.
It's a ridiculous thing to say, and it doesn't sit comfortable with me as a comment to make about a black player - just as that song didn't sit comfortably with many (including the club & player himself).
But then again, we got Rom and offloaded Roo to them in the same window, and they've just sold Barkley for 15m... so maybe this new chairman's just a bit thick!
The voodoo, who do what you don't dare do people *electronic hoover noise*
Quite an amusing story if nothing else.
Quite an amusing story if nothing else.
Christians have beards and moustaches. Muslims don't have moustaches and keep the beards.
And then there is Darmian and his side-burns. That's positively Satanic.
We are the Red Devils after all
If it's not true,then he should sue Moshiri....It's incredible that the owner of a club would make such a statement about his former player...I hope Rom goes for him....
Cant help thinking this all seems a bit racist.
Lots of Muslims just have full beards though...
And all Amish beards are sans 'tache - so maybe it'd be more fair to presume Rom's Amish.
Just like Daley Blind -
Aul Rom can't catch a break can he?
I specifically said it wouldn't have had anything to do with his decision. I said in an embarrassed state after stringing Everton along in order for Chelsea to offer him a higher salary and it somewhat backfiring by Everton calling his bluff and matching Chelsea's offer he probably made up some dodgy quasi-religious excuse as to why he couldn't now sign the contract he had 99.9% committed to.In effect you're saying you'd rather believe that Romelu Lukaku, a devout, well-educated, Roman Catholic, born and raised in Western Europe who spent his late teens posting religious pilgrimages on Instagram is more likely to have made the biggest decision of his career based on the advice of some unnamed witch doctor than accept that a dodgy, 60 year old accountant might be a little ignorant and bitter? Okay.
Again in terms of the repeated mentioning if him being Roman Catholic... What is the relevance?
I also like the touch of linking to an article regarding Lukaku's intelligence (although no qualifications are mentioned) as a reason he wouldn't make such a statement; whilst at the same time downplaying the Everton owner as a "dodgy 60 year old accountant". As if Roberto Martinez saying Lukaku is "a thinker" somehow trumps the credibility and intellect of an entrepreneur who has founded a multi billion pound empire.
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I wish my CEO used excuses of this nature at our annual performance review meetings- “So this financial year we fell short of our revenue targets because some of our ex employees who’ve defected to our competitors used some voodoo magic to hold us back!”.
Christ alive, some of the shit posted in here.
Oh the world we live in ...
Some people in this world are putting all their energies trying to come up with a new controversy. They are at it when they are going to sleep and they are at it again when they wake up. I guess they are not familiar with the terms Peace and Harmony.
Some people in this world are putting all their energies trying to come up with a new controversy. They are at it when they are going to sleep and they are at it again when they wake up. I guess they are not familiar with the terms Peace and Harmony.
Rooney forsaw this
he told of a devil who would arrive.....and promote red wine
he told of a devil who would arrive.....and promote red wine
Maybe I'm being a bit dumb here but could anyone explain to me why the comment is racist?
Because voodoo is traditionally practiced in African countries and Lukaku is of African (Congolese) descent.
If he has just pulled this story out of thin air then then it's clear to see the racial undertones. Lukaku has every right to feel insulted.
Thank you.
No problem!
Definitely Christ?
People keep mentioning his religion because they find the idea of an openly devout Roman Catholic citing voodoo as a reason for wanting to move clubs as bloody ridiculous, even if it was part of some weird Machiavellian scheme to engineer a transfer (spoiler: it wasn't, because it didn't happen). Regarding the article I cited, I was referring to his time at the Saint-Guidon Institute, how affable he came across in the fantastic documentary about his time there and the fact he speaks seven languages – but if you want to focus on Roberto Martinez's comments about him, feel free – it's not like they detract from my overall point, I mean Thierry Henry has pretty much mirrored what Martinez said on a couple of occasions too.
In terms of the credibility of Farhad Moshiri, I'd take Robert Martinez or any other coaches word over his given that he is just a dodgy accountant whose fortune was almost exclusively built on the back of a stake in Alisher Usmanov's "Metalloinvest" that was literally gifted to him for all the dirty work he'd done for Usmanov and his gangster friends in the past. Even his stakes in Arsenal and in turn Everton were handed to him by Usmanov – so again, I stress that I'd take both Lukaku's and Robert Martinez's words over your weird theory about the shady old "self-made entrepreneur" you keep expressing your undying admiration for.
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You could have just posted "I'd prefer to believe a United player over a rival teams owner", rather than fluffing your post up with irrelevant nonsense to make Lukaku look like some incredibly learned scholar and the other party to look like some covetous serial liar.
I'll say it again though: why would a Roman Catholic be less likely to talk about Voodoo? Many voodoo believers identify as Catholic; look for example at Haitian Roman Catholicism which is regularly practiced in conjunction with Voodooism. If anything him being a staunch Roman Catholic increases the chances of him being interested in voodooism, not decreases.
I'm not going to reply again as it's all hear-say and none of us have any clue what actually occurred. However I'll finish as I started: when looking at who would be telling the truth the best place to look is which party would benefit the most from making the statement. From the side of Moshiri there is absolutely no gain and in fact a detriment in him fabricating this statement. It makes him look unprofessional, weird and potentially quasi-racist; whilst making the other party look victimised. It would only be damaging. From Lukaku's point of view BSing about a bizarre religious reason for him not re-signing with Everton at the last minute would bring negotiations to an abrupt halt and ultimately allow him to join a bigger club without further persuasion/forcing of him to stay from the owner, who said he'd consistently tried for two Summers to get him to re-sign.