Didn't we drop Dwight Yorke and Stam for the FA cup final to save them for the CL final? No mid season 100 million to spend but ah those were the days.
Pep's spending is insane (£941m and counting at City)
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He's the ultimate chequebook manager. It's funny because all we heard before he joined City was how great he is at coaching players and giving young players a chance. Sane is out for around two months and the man feels the need to go out and spend over £60M on a player to temporarily replace him when he's got a £50M player already on the bench who's good enough to step in or he's got two highly rated youngsters waiting for their chances.
Only in football fans world could something so transparent be argued. The guy is a spending machine and has endeavoured to promote not a sole youth player or even buy and develop a promising underrated or unspotted youth player (with any real purpose).
Since the money started flowing into city in 08- Guardiola has almost matched their spending as a manager at his clubs. Over 1 billion despite during his years at barca he barely needed to sign anyone as the core was a once in a generation.
And good luck to him, but to be considered in the upper echelons of managers? Not a chance
Since the money started flowing into city in 08- Guardiola has almost matched their spending as a manager at his clubs. Over 1 billion despite during his years at barca he barely needed to sign anyone as the core was a once in a generation.
And good luck to him, but to be considered in the upper echelons of managers? Not a chance
Don't forget fergie winning titles constantly with annual defensive nightmares mid season
£450m on a squad that, in my opinion, was already (at least joint) best in the league. All spent despite already having De Bruyne, Silva, Aguero and Sterling already on the books.
No other squad in our league can match that level of spending and claim to be sustainable. United are one of best placed teams in the world globally to do so financially and would still get nowhere near. How do you justify spending £57m (potentially more if there's any truth to this Mahrez rumour) in January on a side already 12 points clear domestically and cruising to the title.
The media are an embarrassment considering how little fuss they're making over this compared to the Sanchez saga.
No other squad in our league can match that level of spending and claim to be sustainable. United are one of best placed teams in the world globally to do so financially and would still get nowhere near. How do you justify spending £57m (potentially more if there's any truth to this Mahrez rumour) in January on a side already 12 points clear domestically and cruising to the title.
The media are an embarrassment considering how little fuss they're making over this compared to the Sanchez saga.
Not sure what all the fuss is about. To have success these days you need to spend big money every year. Mourinho hasn't been shy in saying that himself. Its the way of modern football.
Guardiola had a once in a lifetime squad of home grown players coming through when he took over at Barca. He evidently hasn't at City and given that he's being paid to win trophies now, he's buying players to help him achieve what he's expected to do with the resources he has. He's no different from any other top manager. Why should he have to do it any differently?
To be fair to him he generally tries to bring younger players who'll at least have some longevity.
Guardiola had a once in a lifetime squad of home grown players coming through when he took over at Barca. He evidently hasn't at City and given that he's being paid to win trophies now, he's buying players to help him achieve what he's expected to do with the resources he has. He's no different from any other top manager. Why should he have to do it any differently?
To be fair to him he generally tries to bring younger players who'll at least have some longevity.
According to some on here, you are being "paranoid". Despite All the evidence and propaganda.
and nicky butt after keane and scholes were carded out of the 99 CL final
Makes you wonder why City baulked at paying £35M for Sanchez, if he really wanted him. Maybe the idea that Sanchez was open to other offers put PG off him.
Yorke and Stam had to forfeit their signing fee bonuses to join us. Buy hey lets compare those signings to Shitty spending 500m to buy the EPL title.
It's the media narrative that royally pi**es me off. Pep can spend all the money he likes, personally I could care less. But how dare the media absolutely slaughter us for signing a player on a fecking free and a large salary, and say feck all about a team who are bossing the league, have one of the best squads in history but still buy yet another £50 million defender and potentially a £60 million winger to cover Sane for 6 weeks. Spending a grand total of over £500 million in 18 months, but still painted as the Holy Grail in football.
Fecking pathetic and the media need to be called out over it.
Fecking pathetic and the media need to be called out over it.
Does this include their salaries, image rights and what not? Cause, press and ABUs have included all of these on the Sanchez transfer.
After the last few days, I'm totally convinced that Sanchez preferred us as a destination and the City PR team went into overdrive, and the media bought it hook, line and sinker.
Any pundits going to wonder if Mahrez has been tapped up?
I just disagree with a highly convoluted meaning of the word "genius", and yeah, if it varys from conventional isage of the term in English, odds are it's nonsense. If your view jars with that of experts in the field, then the odds double. Simple as that.One can be a world class manager without being a genius, you seem pretty comfortable throwing the word nonsense around too.
I found your comment listing managers who have been genius and not no longer (Wenger) and pochetino has the potential to be a genius in the next few yearsnonsense.
Yours and clearly mine and other posters views of genius are different. In my view you can’t be a genius or aspire to be a genius, you just ARE a genius. I wouldn’t say many if any football managers are at the moment tbh.
Pep is just a good coach with a good style he needs the best and certain players for, simple as that. No genius involved.
If thinking Pep is just average helps you sleep better at night for partisan reasons, fair enough. It's well known that I'm a contrarian bastard, and who knows where I found the time to reply 20 odd people.
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Yeah, this level of spending isn't sustainable for any club that runs own generated income. This level of spending is all very reminiscent of dodgy crown Princes squandering fortunes on hobbies. This is what I despise; not the spending itself but the fact that it is done without any regard to normal business sense.
Didn't read the second line, way too long. But, class of 92 were teenagers, the list of Barcelona players were in their 20s. They were way more developed.
Well, £200m summer transfer money, are peanuts now days. I will be happy with more spent.
Eh. He's been given the money and he's obviously going to spend it.
If he wins trophies (hereby justifying the spend), no one will care. It's not like there'll be an * next to his achievements, it's really only on here due to the overall insecurity, that people will whine. He's a hypocrite taking into context that graphic people are gleefully retweeting, but then so are most footballers. Now if he still doesn't win stuff with all that spend, then it'll be hilarious.
Also, his first job was at a huge club with money which he succeeded in opening more doors to more big jobs with clubs that have money. His future job due to him being in the upper echelon of managers is most likely going to be a another big club with money. What do people expect him to do, turn down those jobs and take on midtable clubs to prove to the users of redcafe.net and twats on twitter that he can manage without money? Okay
If he wins trophies (hereby justifying the spend), no one will care. It's not like there'll be an * next to his achievements, it's really only on here due to the overall insecurity, that people will whine. He's a hypocrite taking into context that graphic people are gleefully retweeting, but then so are most footballers. Now if he still doesn't win stuff with all that spend, then it'll be hilarious.
Also, his first job was at a huge club with money which he succeeded in opening more doors to more big jobs with clubs that have money. His future job due to him being in the upper echelon of managers is most likely going to be a another big club with money. What do people expect him to do, turn down those jobs and take on midtable clubs to prove to the users of redcafe.net and twats on twitter that he can manage without money? Okay
Euros. I was surprised with his spend at Barca too.
Pep is No genius.
I define genius as someone taking a team of has beens or a team full of unknown players and winning trebles. One man has done that, and thats Jose.
I define genius as someone taking a team of has beens or a team full of unknown players and winning trebles. One man has done that, and thats Jose.
The media going on about our spending. The smaller clubs spend a fortune as well, relative to their income and past expenditure. Maybe it is the money they receive from TV rights is the obscene thing that then gets passed onto the punters in subscriptions charges.
Correct, but even SAF doing the treble with a team built of even at that time, bargain buys and lads who came through the United system. To sustain our success over the time he was here was the work of a genius.
Think you got the wrong end of the stick. I was comparing favorably our ability to dig deep in the squad rather than drop a fortune halfway through the season.
As if those paid by the City Football Group will even have the temerity to discuss it.If he carries on winning the big trophies (league, CL) across the teams he's managed, yes he will without a doubt be considered in the upper echelons of managers regardless of how much he spent to get there. At worst, the fact that he spent so much will be nothing more than a footnote that's mentioned after listing all the trophies he's won. But keep telling yourself otherwise.
I said he was good not average, and help me sleep at night? Haha.
I’m a genius, I sleep fine thanks
Sanchez chose United and City has been spinning ever since to make it seem like anything other than the obvious.
The very fact some people actually believe City pulled out over money is laughable. Pep has spent nearly half a billion in less than two seasons. He is looking to spend £90 million just to replace a player who is injured for a couple of months.
City did not fail to get Sanchez because of the cost, they failed cos he'd rather be a Man Utd #7 than a meaningless drone at City. Look at Bernardo Silva. That could've been Alexis in a year's time. Gets an injury, gets replaced by a shiny new £100m toy, then can't get back into the team. Is that a career move that's worthwhile?
Has Martin Samuel written a new article yet pointing out the righteousness of City's spending splurge?
For comparison, guardiola is on a par with mourinho for total career spend despite mourinho career being almost twice as long. After them only ancellotti is even in the same conversation. The fact that pellegrini is up there is more evidence of the city madness. But bottom line guardiola is comfortablly the bigggest spending manager of all time.
Ferguson and the Class of 92 is hardly comparable to Pep and Barca's crop of talents, but he deserves credit for having faith in them to do the job. Early Pep was certainly comparable to Ferguson in terms of bringing through youngsters, but has gradually moved away from that. You can argue that the pressure of winning trophies has necessitated the shift, but he's still hailed as a blessing for youngsters, while Mourinho gets accused of hindering their development. Look at the minutes given to academy players this season and tell me who most deserves being accused of the latter? (neither does, but the fact that people act as if Pep is the patron saint of young footballers, while Mourinho is the Antichrist, is infuriating).
As for Pique, he was let go because he asked to be allowed to join his boyhood club. United had the best CB pairing in the world, capable back-ups in Brown and O'Shea and a promising Jonny Evans. If Evans hadn't been around, I don't think United would have been as willing to let Pique leave, at least not as cheaply as they did. Evans had just had a pretty good spell with Sunderland, though, so United felt he could come back and take the young CB spot left vacant by Pique (which almost backfired because Evans was reluctant to give up starting for Sunderland in order to return to United and be a backup).
Pep Guardiola is a phenomenal manager but you can’t defend him on this one.
Swear this guy was hailed for promoting youth and creating stars?
What happens when a player gets injured?
He goes and spends another £70m.
Swear this guy was hailed for promoting youth and creating stars?
What happens when a player gets injured?
He goes and spends another £70m.
I genuinely think Sanchez was asking for too much money once he realised United were in for him too. So combined with his age and the fact they are already walking the league the league this year they backed out and went for a more sensible transfer, which is mad cause city are spending eye watering amounts but still actually didnt see the value in Sanchez after a certain point. We can’t argue that his and city’s transfer dealings have been very good recently. Young players with their best years ahead of them. In two years time I hope we aren’t stuck with Sanchez as a Rooney type figure stinking the place up on the biggest wages in the league while Mahrez enters his prime on half that... then again that’s why I’m not a manager or a scout. Let’s see how both transfers pan out. I have niggling feeling that city may have unfortunately got this one right again in the grand scheme.
They’re made for each other - Sheikh Mansoor, City and Pep.
They haven’t ever had to graft to ‘succeed’ or forge their reputations, they were all just ‘born’ into infinite resources; calling Pep a great manager is like calling the Arab a great businessman or City a great club.
This fraud winning with Barcelona, with a already dominant Bayern team and now an £800m squad doesn’t put him up there with the great managers, only FIFA playing fanboys would support that notion.
He’s not even the best Spanish coach in England - look at the success Rafa Benitez had with Valencia, Liverpool with the likes of Milan Baros and Luis Garcia, and even the Europa League in a chaotic situation at Chelsea. Pep is Roberto Martinez with infinitely better resources.
They haven’t ever had to graft to ‘succeed’ or forge their reputations, they were all just ‘born’ into infinite resources; calling Pep a great manager is like calling the Arab a great businessman or City a great club.
This fraud winning with Barcelona, with a already dominant Bayern team and now an £800m squad doesn’t put him up there with the great managers, only FIFA playing fanboys would support that notion.
He’s not even the best Spanish coach in England - look at the success Rafa Benitez had with Valencia, Liverpool with the likes of Milan Baros and Luis Garcia, and even the Europa League in a chaotic situation at Chelsea. Pep is Roberto Martinez with infinitely better resources.
Guardiola and money cannot go wrong. The sheiks are doing the smart thing to let him spend huge and try to win the CL, thus making City more global.
Did I tell myself otherwise? Did I make an all encompassing comment to include hypothetical future wins? No.
Don't worry I'll give lord pep his dues, and will be even more impressed when he really pulls off something that makes you think wow, that was phenomenal
Are these figures thrown about, adjusted for inflation? If we're comparing $1 in 2003 to $1 in 2008, then the comparison is a farce.
Not when many of the managers have been actively spending for the same years he has. In fact in that case, the gap widens
Blimey yeah, of course SAF was a genius, no doubt about that. I was just commenting about Pep vs Jose.
Assuming Sanchez is getting £350k per week, and if we set Mkhi's value at £30m, then it works out at £25,7m per season over the course of a four year contract. If the fee for Mahrez ends up being £70 as rumored, and assuming he gets a decent pay rise to £150k (50% up from his current £100k) then that works out at £21,8m per season over a five year contract. The latter is obviously based on rumours and guesswork, and I couldn't find any firm numbers for agent fees and such.
Still, Sanchez is an established world class player, while Mahrez isn't really anywhere near that. Mahrez will also likely be relegated to rotation option when Sane returns, barring a incredible run of form. He's also only two years younger than Sanchez, so hardly one for the future either.