Pep's spending is insane (£941m and counting at City)

[Pexbo]

If the Mahrez rumours turn out to be true he will have spent £500m since taking charge at City 19 months ago.

Yet the media will portray him as some footballing genius.

If Mourinho had spent such an amount I can only imagine the sorts of stuff that would be being written.

Any journalists on here?

Assuming they sign Mahrez:


Mourinho

Previous league position of United in 4 seasons before he took over: 6th, 5th, 4th, 7th.

Wage Bill from 2017 financial release = £263m
Estimated adjustments:
Sanchez + ~£19m
Mkhitaryan - ~£9m

Estimated wage bill post January = ~£273m

Transfers:
£295m gross
£238m net.


Guardiola

Previous league position of City in 4 seasons before he took over: 3rd, 4th, 2nd, 1st

Wage Bill from 2017 financial release: £264m

Estimated adjustments:
Laporte + ~£8m
Mahrez + ~£8m

Estimated wage bill post January = ~£280m

Transfers:
~£497m gross
~£394m net.



Mourinho or Money?

 

[Thisistheone]

I jus do not understand at all, how people can't say, I think guardiola is an incredible manager etc etc etc, but yes, he seems to be heavily reliant on unprecedented levels of spending.

You don't have to hate him to accept he has never challenged himself and in the case where he was making an arse of a job he went even more money crazy

Indeed. The whole lets take inflation into consideration and look more closely at so and so's career vs Pep, just makes Pep look even worse. A man who started off with Messi, Xavi, Iniesta etc has still spent unprecedented amounts compared to other managers who started off much lower down and needed to invest and build sides.

And we all seen last year what Pep is like if he doesn't have far and away the best squad. He's another top manager in the herd of top managers. But when he does have the cream of the crop, no doubt he's brilliant.

 

[Stacks]

One can be a world class manager without being a genius, you seem pretty comfortable throwing the word nonsense around too.
I found your comment listing managers who have been genius and not no longer (Wenger) and pochetino has the potential to be a genius in the next few years nonsense.

Yours and clearly mine and other posters views of genius are different. In my view you can’t be a genius or aspire to be a genius, you just ARE a genius. I wouldn’t say many if any football managers are at the moment tbh.

Pep is just a good coach with a good style he needs the best and certain players for, simple as that. No genius involved.

Nah. The vast majority of games have been won with the players who finished 15 points off. He has spent a lot but these squad additions, I don't believe have featured much(only 3 regulars). He is still an exceptional coach who will improve most players.

 

[Ødegaard]

City currently have four players for front three positions, Sterling, Sane, Jesus and Aguero, five if you include B. Silva, out of which two are injured. Hardly great depth, so i to an extent don't understand the whole uproar over potential Mahrez transfer.

Why would you not include a 40-60 million pound signing?
Why isn't David Silva & KdB included? They are both versatile offensive players capable of filling those positions in a changed system.

Sane - Aguero - Sterling
Silva - Jesus - Silva

Even with just taking David Silva from the midfield they have double up on high-quality players. They don't lack players in those positions. Compare it to their competition (just putting players based on my rankings, don't care for positions):

United:
Martial - Lukaku - Sanchez
Young - Rashford - Mata

Chelsea:
Hazard - Morata - Willian
Barkley - Batshuayi - Pedro

Liverpool:
Salah - Firmino - Mane
Lallana - Ings - Ox

Tottenham:
Eriksen - Kane - Alli
Son - Llorente - Lamela

Arsenal:
Özil - Aubameyang - Lazette
Welbeck - Giroud - Mkhitaryan

Also, this is all besides the point, people aren't frustrated at Pep or City for potentially signing tons of top players, but for the audacity of the media (likely through leaks from City) to claim that City are the work of genius and not a sum of a shit-ton of money on top of a good coach while claiming things left and right about spending power, wages, agent-fees etc.
It's an annoyance over terribly unbalanced media coverage, comments from pundits & hypocritical comments from the City-camp.

 

[adexkola]

Nah. The vast majority of games have been won with the players who finished 15 points off. He has spent a lot but these squad additions, I don't believe have featured much(only 3 regulars). He is still an exceptional coach who will improve most players.

Keep on going and you'll get yourself a tag

 

[Rozay]

To be fair to him, he’s not the one acting righteous about rival spending. This is all the work of the media.

 

[De Portago]

Why would you not include a 40-60 million pound signing?
Why isn't David Silva & KdB included? They are both versatile offensive players capable of filling those positions in a changed system.

Sane - Aguero - Sterling
Silva - Jesus - Silva

Even with just taking David Silva from the midfield they have double up on high-quality players. They don't lack players in those positions. Compare it to their competition (just putting players based on my rankings, don't care for positions):

United:
Martial - Lukaku - Sanchez
Young - Rashford - Mata

Chelsea:
Hazard - Morata - Willian
Barkley - Batshuayi - Pedro

Liverpool:
Salah - Firmino - Mane
Lallana - Ings - Ox

Tottenham:
Eriksen - Kane - Alli
Son - Llorente - Lamela

Arsenal:
Özil - Aubameyang - Lazette
Welbeck - Giroud - Mkhitaryan

Also, this is all besides the point, people aren't frustrated at Pep or City for potentially signing tons of top players, but for the audacity of the media (likely through leaks from City) to claim that City are the work of genius and not a sum of a shit-ton of money on top of a good coach while claiming things left and right about spending power, wages, agent-fees etc.
It's an annoyance over terribly unbalanced media coverage, comments from pundits & hypocritical comments from the City-camp.

As far as the media coverage goes, i don't follow any of that and i don't live in the UK so don't have it shoved down my throat anyways.

I personally would not include Bernardo, because he obviously (to me at least) is not a winger. Whenever i watched Monaco last season, he was deployed as a wide playmaker cutting inside, sort of a role Iniesta currently has in this 4-4-2 Barcelona. He can play there obviously, but it's certainly not optimal.

As for David Silva and De Bruyne, that midfield pairing has probably been the main reason for their astounding form this season. I'd be loathe to break it in order to use one of them on the wings, why tinker with something that's working like a swiss watch?

My point being, they're obviously short upfront. After Sanchez went to United, i expected them to go for an attacker.

 

[ti vu]

@VanGaalEra , thanks for the breakdown. Are those Euros or Pounds btw ?

Either way, I thought his spend at Bayern would be higher, but crazy to see him spend that much at Barcelona as well.

Bayern had plenty of players turn over under him. Thing is when you can get a player like Lewandolski for free, then it doesn't reflect on your cheque book. Again Bayern already had strong core of players already there, so they wouldn't need to spend as heavy, something which Mourinho teams need as he more often than not went to team needing to go up the tier.

Edit: just look up and Kimmich, Alonso, Pepe Reina, Coman each cost less than 10 mil. Bayern has known to have these under market value deals prior and after Pep, so you can't use Pep or money value. It's more as Pep was lucky his spending figure wouldn't get significantly bigger being at the right clubs. Now with PL club tax, English, Homegrown player tax... he's surpassing former cheque book champion Mourinho in no time.

 

[Ban]

Keep on going and you'll get yourself a tag

You're bravely fighting for Pep's corner, fair play.

 

[Thisistheone]

So Pep's year with the B team where he trained the likes of Pedro and Busquets for a year, I presume he didn't work his bollocks off either? Just picked eleven players to play every week and that was it. Again, Messi, Xavi, Iniesta are all fantastic talents, but Pep developed them and created the perfect system for them.

I was just saying it's a different situation to what Fergie did with the class of '92.

Pep no doubt had a big influence on them. He's clearly a brilliant trainer. But weren't they all at the club already? I'm saying with talent like that, they'd have come through anyway under, say Tito or Luis Enrique.

I take your point about Pep and his system. He helped them hit new heights, heights they wouldn't have done if he'd not been there. He deserves credit for that.

 

[Law's Law]

So last week, according to many, City was desperate for Sanchez, before losing out to United, but now when City need an attacker after losing ANOTHER attacking player, it suddenly became unneeded spending?

I dont know how are people expecting City to play the same front 3 (Aguero, Sterling, Bernardo) in the next 2 months, having 4 competitions. That is also assuming they will all stay fit. This is nonsense.

Also interesting how people love to quote how Pep bought 10 players. They will never tell you he also sold or released more than 20 players.

 

[Ødegaard]

As far as the media coverage goes, i don't follow any of that and i don't live in the UK so don't have it shoved down my throat anyways.

I personally would not include Bernardo, because he obviously (to me at least) is not a winger. Whenever i watched Monaco last season, he was deployed as a wide playmaker cutting inside, sort of a role Iniesta currently has in this 4-4-2 Barcelona. He can play there obviously, but it's certainly not optimal.

As for David Silva and De Bruyne, that midfield pairing has probably been the main reason for their astounding form this season. I'd be loathe to break it in order to use one of them on the wings, why tinker with something that's working like a swiss watch?

My point being, they're obviously short upfront. After Sanchez went to United, i expected them to go for an attacker.

I don't have it shoved down my throat either since I live in Norway, but it's not hard to notice that it's out there.
I disagree that they lack players to fill those roles, because they have versatile players who can fill those roles while having other players they could use in midfield.

The issue again isn't buying Mahrez or Laporte on top of what they have. The issue is claiming you don't have money for Sanchez & then go and buy 2 players for 60-70 million pounds. The issue is the media making it to be "Money United or Saint Pep" when it's clear as a day that it was City not willing to get a agreement with Arsenal rather than a deal with Sanchez (who might still have chosen United over City for various reasons).

I'm sure if United fans could have a squad full of world class players & talents, then we'd be happy about that as long as the players performed & didn't moan too much about playing time. So again, the signings themselves or how you build the squad isn't the issue in this situation, although the topic of where money comes from can be argued.

 

[ti vu]

So last week, according to many, City was desperate for Sanchez, before losing out to United, but now when City need an attacker after losing ANOTHER attacking player, it suddenly became unneeded spending?

I dont know how are people expecting City to play the same front 3 (Aguero, Sterling, Bernardo) in the next 2 months, having 4 competitions. That is also assuming they will all stay fit. This is nonsense.

Also interesting how people love to quote how Pep bought 10 players. They will never tell you he also sold or released more than 20 players.

No one expected anything. You do whatever you see fit your plan. Thing is get off your high horse talking about people's business when you're no better at the end of the day.

 

[Janson]

We already now Pep can only buy success, nothing new here.

 

[KYcinco]

At the end of the day,Peps footballing system >>>> (any current manager).

He has his way of coaching football and it works, funny enough mid way last season everyone thought it wouldn't work," that style wont work in the premier league".
Players like Sterling, Kyle walker etc are benefiting from such coaching methods.
Im a United fan but I could care less how much they spend,nor Do I care whats written about them in the papers,this place has become so obsessed with Man city in recent weeks, it seems like some fans are afraid, finally realising what City are capable of, On and Off the field.

 

[Zlatan 7]

Nah. The vast majority of games have been won with the players who finished 15 points off. He has spent a lot but these squad additions, I don't believe have featured much(only 3 regulars). He is still an exceptional coach who will improve most players.

Yea I kinda agree with that and maybe using the word good was playing him down a bit much.
I was just trying to make the point that he’s not a genius, Thats way ott, while making the point you can’t be a has been genius or become genius a different poster was alluding to.
You’ve either got it or not, that can’t be changed.

 

[adexkola]

You're bravely fighting for Pep's corner, fair play.

Felt like Jon Snow in Battle of the Bastards.

Except I got skewered by a pike.

 

[De Portago]

I don't have it shoved down my throat either since I live in Norway, but it's not hard to notice that it's out there.
I disagree that they lack players to fill those roles, because they have versatile players who can fill those roles while having other players they could use in midfield.

The issue again isn't buying Mahrez or Laporte on top of what they have. The issue is claiming you don't have money for Sanchez & then go and buy 2 players for 60-70 million pounds. The issue is the media making it to be "Money United or Saint Pep" when it's clear as a day that it was City not willing to get a agreement with Arsenal rather than a deal with Sanchez (who might still have chosen United over City for various reasons).

I'm sure if United fans could have a squad full of world class players & talents, then we'd be happy about that as long as the players performed & didn't moan too much about playing time. So again, the signings themselves or how you build the squad isn't the issue in this situation, although the topic of where money comes from can be argued.

Fair enough about the media coverage, I personally avoid that like the plague.

 

[ti vu]

At the end of the day,Peps footballing system >>>> (any current manager).

He has his way of coaching football and it works, funny enough mid way last season everyone thought it wouldn't work," that style wont work in the premier league".
Players like Sterling, Kyle walker etc are benefiting from such coaching methods.
Im a United fan but I could care less how much they spend,nor Do I care whats written about them in the papers,this place has become so obsessed with Man city in recent weeks, it seems like some fans are afraid, finally realising what City are capable of, On and Off the field.

I am not so sure. Given the right players even Luis Enrique could have won everything in sight. Madrid won back to back CL. For all the so called great work of Pep. Pretty much they couldn't close the gap of CL tally.

Even Mourinho broke winning and scoring record back then at Madrid when compete with so called Pep. Pep's Bayern proved that winning CL needs some luck which vindicate Mourinho's Madrid' Decima failure.

Now Pep is on mission to vindicate Mourinho's cheque book manager approach...

 

[Karel Podolsky]

the issue is claiming you don't have money for Sanchez & then go and buy 2 players for 60-70 million pounds.

I don't think the issue is City didn't have money for Sanchez.
The issue was Sanchez's wage would be higher than City's top players like KdB and Agüero.

 

[cloyton]

Guys just a full on joke at this point.

 

[Law's Law]

Assuming they sign Mahrez:


Mourinho

Previous league position of United in 4 seasons before he took over: 6th, 5th, 4th, 7th.

Wage Bill from 2017 financial release = £263m
Estimated adjustments:
Sanchez + ~£19m
Mkhitaryan - ~£9m

Estimated wage bill post January = ~£273m

Transfers:
£295m gross
£238m net.


Guardiola

Previous league position of City in 4 seasons before he took over: 3rd, 4th, 2nd, 1st

Wage Bill from 2017 financial release: £264m

Estimated adjustments:
Laporte + ~£8m
Mahrez + ~£8m

Estimated wage bill post January = ~£280m

Transfers:
~£497m gross
~£394m net.



Mourinho or Money?

If you have the time then I suggest you do it properly.

2017 financials relate to the end of 2016/17 season.

Recalculate factoring the following

Lukaku + Lindelof + Matic + Sanchez + Ibra new wage - Mkhi + Rooney + Ibra old wage

Ederson + Mendy + Walker + Bernardo + Danilo + Laporte + “Mahrez” + Toure new wage - Sagna + Zabaleta + Clichy + Kolarov + Caballero + Nasri + Navas + Nolito + Kelechi + Fernando + Toure old wage

And City’s 264M figure relates to a 13 month year. The adjusted figure is 243M

 

[Eboue]

They’re made for each other - Sheikh Mansoor, City and Pep.

They haven’t ever had to graft to ‘succeed’ or forge their reputations, they were all just ‘born’ into infinite resources; calling Pep a great manager is like calling the Arab a great businessman or City a great club.

This fraud winning with Barcelona, with a already dominant Bayern team and now an £800m squad doesn’t put him up there with the great managers, only FIFA playing fanboys would support that notion.

He’s not even the best Spanish coach in England - look at the success Rafa Benitez had with Valencia, Liverpool with the likes of Milan Baros and Luis Garcia, and even the Europa League in a chaotic situation at Chelsea. Pep is Roberto Martinez with infinitely better resources.

Well done.

 

[Ødegaard]

I don't think the issue is City didn't have money for Sanchez.
The issue was Sanchez's wage would be higher than City's top players like KdB and Agüero.

Sanchez wages wouldn't have been that bad for them.
If they can spend 500 million pounds on player-transfers they can certainly afford to give their key-players long-term contracts with a pay-rise to be on level with Sanchez. Besides, Sanchez's wages which are reported includes his signing-fee. Something KdB & co have no right to claim as they didn't come on a free.

 

[Pexbo]

If you have the time then I suggest you do it properly.

2017 financials relate to the end of 2016/17 season.

Recalculate factoring the following

Lukaku + Lindelof + Matic + Sanchez + Ibra new wage - Mkhi + Rooney + Ibra old wage

Ederson + Mendy + Walker + Bernardo + Danilo + Laporte + “Mahrez” + Toure new wage - Sagna + Zabaleta + Clichy + Kolarov + Caballero + Nasri + Navas + Nolito + Kelechi + Fernando + Toure old wage

And City’s 264M figure relates to a 13 month year. The adjusted figure is 243M

Knock yourself out if you want to do that, you can also remove Schneiderlin, Depay and Januzaj's wages if we're being pedantic as they left in January.

 

[Janson]

They’re made for each other - Sheikh Mansoor, City and Pep.

They haven’t ever had to graft to ‘succeed’ or forge their reputations, they were all just ‘born’ into infinite resources; calling Pep a great manager is like calling the Arab a great businessman or City a great club.

This fraud winning with Barcelona, with a already dominant Bayern team and now an £800m squad doesn’t put him up there with the great managers, only FIFA playing fanboys would support that notion.

He’s not even the best Spanish coach in England - look at the success Rafa Benitez had with Valencia, Liverpool with the likes of Milan Baros and Luis Garcia, and even the Europa League in a chaotic situation at Chelsea. Pep is Roberto Martinez with infinitely better resources.

Agree, Benitez has done well with much less, and Mourinho has as well. Pep is nowhere near the top of the list of managers.

 

[JSArsenal]

I remember when all 4 of our full backs were out injured and Wenger signed no one in January. The crisis either occurred in December or January because we were linked with Wayne Bridge as a stop gap.

We ended up playing CB's at FB for like a month or more. I think Wenger would quit before he went out and bought Mahrez in these circumstances.

City lose a player for a few weeks and they go out and spend? Its not even an injury crisis, they've already got players on the bench to replace Sane.

Miles ahead in the league, so its not like they need Sane for those games.

This spending is getting out of control.

 

[adexkola]

Knock yourself out if you want to do that, you can also remove Schneiderlin, Depay and Januzaj's wages if we're being pedantic as they left in January.

I know right, why be realistic?

Bantz > Facts, everyone knows that.

 

[Velvet Revolver]

I am not a pep fan so my post may be a little biased but, this is getting ridiculous in many aspects

1. City dont really need to spend at this point. They are 12 points ahead in the league and barring a miracle the title is practically their's. This spending seems a little naive. Sanchez coming over to us seems to have hit pep and city right where it hurts!

2. Pep is a good coach with the caveat that he needs the perfect players for the position. If he was such a great manager he should be able to embed his coaching skills to any footballer no? if not then he is like any other manager with just better tactical skills that's all, and also being at the right place at the right time! If he was at City before Mancini and then won something I would be praising him.

On a logical note - City maybe spending now because they are aware this is a WC year so prices for players in summer will be at last 1.5 - 2X. Also, the FFP 2.0 ( pff 2.0 rather) might bring about some changes to how much they can spend.

The major factor here is with the intensity of his own and the flimsiness of the media, if pep doesn't win anything next season he will start to get disillusioned and ultimately leave City. What then? he came he spent a boatload and he left and city are where they were a few years ago with the odd title once in a few years. (hypothetically speaking of course)

Regarding the transfers and the FFP and all that nonsense, there really needs to be some hard checks in place or as someone mentioned all it takes is a billionaire with a huge reserve or a state-funded project (which currently city are) to literally buy your way into winning trophies!

 

[KYcinco]

Agree, Benitez has done well with much less, and Mourinho has as well. Pep is nowhere near the top of the list of managers.

You guys need to give it a rest , stop posting foolishness.

All hail el magnificent Ol Rafa!, who would of thought

 

[KM]

Knock yourself out if you want to do that, you can also remove Schneiderlin, Depay and Januzaj's wages if we're being pedantic as they left in January.

Plus add the new wage of De Bruyne, Fernandinho etc

 

[Judas]

So last week, according to many, City was desperate for Sanchez, before losing out to United, but now when City need an attacker after losing ANOTHER attacking player, it suddenly became unneeded spending?

I dont know how are people expecting City to play the same front 3 (Aguero, Sterling, Bernardo) in the next 2 months, having 4 competitions. That is also assuming they will all stay fit. This is nonsense.

Also interesting how people love to quote how Pep bought 10 players. They will never tell you he also sold or released more than 20 players.

Who on earth was saying that? Even before we signed him, the argument from everyone was that City don't need him and no one could work out why they were interested so heavily, turns out they weren't. It seemed like they wanted him for the sake of it.

 

[Pexbo]

Plus add the new wage of De Bruyne, Fernandinho etc

I think we're only counting contracts that are reduced for City?

 

[Zlatan 7]

You guys need to give it a rest , stop posting foolishness.

All hail el magnificent Ol Rafa!, who would of thought

Bit of a ott reaction, he said Rafa had done well, I suppose he did under the circumstances too and if he had spent 1/2 billion in a season and half who knows what else he could have won.

Also if you’re going to mock and use smilies it’s good to write correctly while doing so.

*have. Not of

 

[Janson]

I am not a pep fan so my post may be a little biased but, this is getting ridiculous in many aspects

1. City dont really need to spend at this point. They are 12 points ahead in the league and barring a miracle the title is practically their's. This spending seems a little naive. Sanchez coming over to us seems to have hit pep and city right where it hurts!

2. Pep is a good coach with the caveat that he needs the perfect players for the position. If he was such a great manager he should be able to embed his coaching skills to any footballer no? if not then he is like any other manager with just better tactical skills that's all, and also being at the right place at the right time! If he was at City before Mancini and then won something I would be praising him.

On a logical note - City maybe spending now because they are aware this is a WC year so prices for players in summer will be at last 1.5 - 2X. Also, the FFP 2.0 ( pff 2.0 rather) might bring about some changes to how much they can spend.

The major factor here is with the intensity of his own and the flimsiness of the media, if pep doesn't win anything next season he will start to get disillusioned and ultimately leave City. What then? he came he spent a boatload and he left and city are where they were a few years ago with the odd title once in a few years. (hypothetically speaking of course)

Regarding the transfers and the FFP and all that nonsense, there really needs to be some hard checks in place or as someone mentioned all it takes is a billionaire with a huge reserve or a state-funded project (which currently city are) to literally buy your way into winning trophies!

This is the biggest reason why Pep has got to where he is.

 

[sunama]

Financially restricted, poor guy is doing his best against all the odds.

 

[sunama]

The second highest spenders moaning about the highest spenders. Imagine how the rest of us feel

Yes. You should complain, too.

 

[Leif GW]

FSW got a chance on Real Madrid and didn't make it out alive. Give it a rest, he's nowhere near Pep.

 

[AshRK]

At the end of the day,Peps footballing system >>>> (any current manager).

He has his way of coaching football and it works, funny enough mid way last season everyone thought it wouldn't work," that style wont work in the premier league".
Players like Sterling, Kyle walker etc are benefiting from such coaching methods.
Im a United fan but I could care less how much they spend,nor Do I care whats written about them in the papers,this place has become so obsessed with Man city in recent weeks, it seems like some fans are afraid, finally realising what City are capable of, On and Off the field.

If his system was so great and the best like you said , why didn't he win anything last season? Ohh he didn't spend enough eh? He is a very good manager but who needs to spend and get his players to get a desired result. You call others foolish but it's people like you who are naive if you think pep would be successful at every club. He would have done feck all if he was managing a club like arsenal with limited budget.

Also, funny you call our set of fans obsessed when it was whole media who said Sanchez is joining Manchester United for money and should have gone to city. City and pep in various times this season have made absurd statements of how they don't have budget to buy players and yet go on to spend 60m on a defender and another 60odd for an attacker.

You can keep on calling us united fans foolish but in reality it's fans like you are foolish of defending him for spending this much after making silly comments.

 

[sunama]

Possibly but if it brings in a £100m net spend rule, City would have to buy less and/or sell more. Apparently, income (such as City being paid £100m/year for sponsored tea cups) wouldn't be a way out.

They'd find a way around it.
Just as FFP1 has made no difference, neither will FFP2.

You see, if you decide to reduce the spending of clubs, this reduces the overall wealth in football, which is not want the footballing powers want.
What they want is to see huge sums of money involved. Heavy investment in football. Big footballing stars being paid big bucks.
This in turn will attract more people to football, as they will soon hear about footballers getting paid big money and inquisitive to see what all the fuss is about.

The governing bodies certainly don't want to see clubs go into administration due to risky spending, but at the same time, they do want to encourage spending.